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The whistleblowers and Wray

The New Neo Posted on August 31, 2022 by neoAugust 31, 2022

FBI agents have been coming forward to talk about Wray:

Kurt Siuzdak, a lawyer and former FBI agent who represents whistleblowers at the bureau, said agents tell him that Mr. Wray has lost control of the agency and should resign.

“I’m hearing from [FBI personnel] that they feel like the director has lost control of the bureau,” he said. “They’re saying, ‘How does this guy survive? He’s leaving. He’s got to leave.’”

I find it hard to believe that FBI agents are that naive. Who’s going to get rid of Wray? Biden?

Tell me another one.

Posted in Law | Tagged FBI | 66 Replies

Traitor Trump

The New Neo Posted on August 31, 2022 by neoAugust 31, 2022

The DOJ has put out more information on the supposed rationale behind the MAL raid.

Jonathan Turley has this to say about it:

The arguments raised by the Justice Department are not just familiar but transparently weak. The government argues that Trump lacks standing because the records belong to the United States, not him. However, that is the point. The court is trying to determine who has a right to these documents. The Justice Department itself recognizes that it may have gathered some attorney-client privileged documents in this ridiculously broad search. It allowed the seizure of any box containing any document with any classification of any kind — and all boxes stored with that box. It also allowed the seizure of any writing from Trump’s presidency…

…[T]he court itself has ample authority to appoint a special master to help sort through such material…

The Court has the inherent authority to seek such assistance in an independent review of material. Special masters are fairly common helping courts establish the record for ruling on the merits of motions. It may turn out that most or all of this material is properly held by the government, but a Special Master can help establish the record for that decision, including the status of material acknowledged as potential attorney-client material.

The Justice Department also makes the same type of arguments used to oppose the release of a single line of the affidavit in redacted form. It claims that both its investigation and national security would be harmed. That is even less compelling here. A special master would be reviewing documents in a secure facility and would presumably have a clearance. Many of us who have handled national security cases have been cleared for TS/SCI material.

How exactly would a special master review materially undermine national security as opposed to the same review conducted by the Justice Department’s own taint team? The special master is an extension of the court. This is simply a court review in camera of documents….

For those of us who have litigated cases against the Justice Department, it was an all-too-familiar claim by a department notorious for over-classification and over-redaction arguments…

The Department also makes other incomplete or dubious arguments. For example, it asserts that no executive privilege claim can be made by a former president: “The former President cites no case—and the government is aware of none—in which executive privilege has been successfully invoked to prohibit the sharing of documents within the Executive Branch.” That is because this issue has not been fully litigated. It has been a long debate over the ability of former presidents to claim privilege. Indeed, under the Presidential Records Act, such assertions are honored over documents in its possession.

What is clear from this filing is that Merrick Garland will not change his refusal to seek modest steps to assure the public that this investigation is neither pretextual nor political. Instead, he is “all in” on these sweeping and untenable claims of the need for absolute control and secrecy.

There’s a lot more at the link. But Turley’s article, thorough as it is about the legal issues, doesn’t even begin to get into the larger issues here, which are political rather than legal.

First, there is the context. I have little doubt that the DOJ can find a reason to indict Donald Trump – or certainly Joe Biden and especially Hunter Biden – or any politician or you or me. The problem is that they don’t want to indict certain people – people of the Democrat persuasion, for the most part – and are laser-focused on getting Trump for something. That’s what this is about; it’s not about national security or classified papers issues; those are the MacGuffins.

They have been trying to get him from Day One, and they have been lying through their teeth right along. The right knows this and many independents know this. Even some Democrats know this, and mostly seem to think it’s fine because Trump is Evil Incarnate and the ends justify the means. They’ve come to that conclusion because (a) he’s a Republican, and Republicans are semi-Fascists or even Fascists (b) he has a big brash mouth; and (c) the media has been telling them he’s evil and he’s been accused of so many nefarious things that where there’s smoke there’s got to, got to, got to be fire.

Another element of the context for the MAL raid is that, arcane interpretations of arcane statutes and controversial disputes over the power to classify documents aside, it is truly unprecedented to try to indict a former president, and if the DOJ wants to do it, they’d better have an ironclad case of offenses so egregious that even the right sees that he positively had to be stopped.

This is quite clearly not that case here; not even close. And it feeds very strongly into the idea that Trump is being persecuted, and even makes it seems more plausible, not less, that the 2020 was stolen by fraudulent means. It certainly was influenced by lies and coverups, such as the one involving the Hunter Biden laptop.

These are not all separate issues; they form a cohesive attack. One of the assertions in that attack is that Trump is a traitor or a wannabee traitor, and the noble DOJ and FBI had to stop him. That was the leitmotif of Russiagate, the premise of which – that Trump was in Russia’s pocket – was always absurd on the face of it. He was actually one of the tougher presidents in his Russian dealings, but apparently the left, the Democrats, and the MSM either failed to notice that (unlikely) or purposely ignored it (likely) in order to drive their preferred “Trump is a Russian puppet” narrative.

Those behind the MAL raid are trying to make people believe that Trump was going to do something nefarious with these papers, something possibly approaching treason. That is especially absurd because, like Trump or not, his love for this country is obvious. The more likely explanation for the raid – that Trump had some papers with the goods on the DOJ or the FBI, and they wanted to get them back – isn’t mentioned by the DOJ, or course.

I have no idea whether that was the DOJ’s motive, because I think the desire to criminally charge Trump would have been motive enough and was motive enough. They saw a technicality on which they thought they could indict him or at the very least discredit him further than they already have done, and they went for it.

And in my opinion, that is what this is all about.

ADDENDUM: Bonchie at RedState believes they won’t actually charge Trump with anything. As I wrote in the last paragraph of my post, that may be the case and they may just be doing this as further propaganda, because making an actual case that stands up in a court of law is so much harder. But propaganda has worked quite nicely for them in the past.

Bonchie points out that the photo of classified documents scattered about and not in boxes – that was put out by the DOJ – is propaganda that has so far had its intended effect. The usual Trump-haters think this was some sort of bad action by Trump, and haven’t realized that the documents had been in boxes and it was the feds doing the raid who removed them from their containers, spread them out that way, and photographed them.

I believe that encouraging such a misperception was the intent of releasing the photo in the first place.

I also believe they may actually indict him. I can’t even give odds, so I’ll just say 50/50.

Posted in Law, Trump | 52 Replies

Oz pounced!

The New Neo Posted on August 31, 2022 by neoAugust 31, 2022

The right often jokes that when Democrats mess up, the MSM story becomes “Republicans pounced!”

Well, in the Pennsylvania race, the NY Times has literally done just that, in an article entitled “When Fetterman Wasn’t Ready to Debate After a Stroke, Oz Pounced”:

It began with a spat over crudités. It has escalated into one Senate hopeful who is openly mocking another’s health after a stroke.

Dr. Mehmet Oz, the Republican nominee for Senate in Pennsylvania, has taunted his Democratic rival, Lt. Gov. John Fetterman, about his stroke recovery, suddenly thrusting an issue both candidates had tiptoed around into a central theme of one of the most watched races of the year.

The Times is hardly alone. If you do a search on the topic you’ll got article after article with headlines that focus on Oz attacking poor ill Fetterman. Shouldn’t the story actually be that Fetterma’s health is not good and his level of functioning is so subpar that he won’t debate, and yet he forges on? But no, Fetterman gets the Democrats’ pass, and it’s Oz who’s the meanie for attacking and pouncing on Fetterman – which is a pretty funny picture because Fetterman is huge at 6’9″.

As for Fetterman’s actual condition, he clearly has communication issues and it’s not at all clear when and if they will resolve. That’s a bona fide problem. Fetterman claims it’s just a slight verbal glitch that will clear up soon, but he’s lied about his health before:

The Fetterman campaign reacted angrily to the assertion that Fetterman has misled anyone about his health, telling KDKA-TV, “This is exactly what people hate about politics. We’re trying to have an honest conversation about health … while Oz and his team are making mean remarks and ridiculing individuals for their health challenges. … John has been clear about his health,” said Joe Calvello, Fetterman’s communications director.

Keller disagrees, saying, “I think it’s pretty clear that John Fetterman hasn’t been clear about his health problems to voters.”

That CBS article doesn’t really say in what ways Fetterman has previously been “unclear” about his health problems. After his nomination and after his stroke (the stroke occurred several weeks before the nomination), he revealed that he’s had a heart condition for many years which he had ignored for many years:

…Fetterman’s cardiologist, Dr. Ramesh Chandra, said she first saw Fetterman in 2017, after he began experiencing swelling in his feet. “That is when I diagnosed him with atrial fibrillation, an irregular heart rhythm, along with a decreased heart pump,” Chandra wrote.

Chandra went on to write that she prescribed Fetterman medications, and advised him to improve his diet and exercise habits but “did not see him again” until June 2.

“John did not go to any doctor for 5 years and did not continue taking his medications,” the doctor wrote.

Chandra added that Fetterman now has a pacemaker-defibrillator and “is doing well.”

And he only revealed that because after he had his stroke, certain anomalies indicated that he was also being treated for previously undisclosed heart disease and some people noticed and pointed that out.

Posted in Election 2022, Health, Politics, Press | 16 Replies

Open thread 8/31/22

The New Neo Posted on August 31, 2022 by neoAugust 31, 2022

I’ve been in houses with most of these things:

My mother said that the house in which she grew up had a horse trough in front, and when she was a child there were still plenty of horses who would take drinks there.

Posted in Uncategorized | 33 Replies

“Two US officials” now saying Thibault wasn’t fired

The New Neo Posted on August 30, 2022 by neoAugust 30, 2022

Word is that Thibault resigned because he was due to retire anyway.

So it doesn’t even seem to me as though he will be the designated fall guy.

Excerpt:

Timothy Thibault, a top-level FBI agent who had been under fire for his role in investigations regarding President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, resigned late last week and was walked out of the FBI, two U.S. officials confirmed. But these officials also said that Thibault had reached retirement age, and they added that all of those who retire hand over their badge and gun and are escorted out of the building.

That’s what the “two US officials” said. As for the FBI, it “declined to comment.”

Posted in Law | Tagged FBI | 28 Replies

Mikhail Gorbachev dies at 91

The New Neo Posted on August 30, 2022 by neoAugust 30, 2022

RIP:

After taking power in 1985, Gorbachev’s introduction of limited economic and political freedoms – including his “glasnost” policy of free speech – ultimately led to the USSR’s demise.

He refrained from using force to crush pro-democracy protests in the Soviet bloc nations in Eastern Europe two years prior to the Soviet Union’s fall. The protests ended with 15 republics demanding autonomy from the USSR.

His final hold of power was effectively taken away in an August 1991 coup, after which he watched from the sidelines as Soviet republics announced their independence.

By the time Gorbachev resigned as USSR leader on Christmas Day of 1991, the world’s largest country was already unraveling due to deepening economic woes and secessionist bids…

Gorbachev won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1990 for his efforts to end the Cold War but was never forgiven by some Russians for the volatility that came with the sudden fall of the Soviet Union.

“He gave us all freedom – but we don’t know what to do with it,” liberal economist Ruslan Grinberg told the armed forces news outlet Zvezda after visiting the ailing former leader in the hospital earlier this summer.

Reagan had a big role, too.

The USSR was held together for so many years by terror at the hands of the government; Orwell’s “boot stamping on a human face.” Once the leaders no longer had the inclination for that, the unraveling occurred.

Posted in Historical figures | 13 Replies

Biden will be speaking on Thursday about “the soul of the nation”

The New Neo Posted on August 30, 2022 by neoAugust 30, 2022

Our spiritual guide President Biden has planned a homily:

President Joe Biden will travel to Philadelphia on Thursday to “deliver a primetime speech on the continued battle for the Soul of the Nation,” according to a White House statement Monday.

“Soul of the Nation” is a phrase he has used in the past to describe the fight for democracy in the face of what he’s labeled as “extreme” opponents.

How very healing of him. How very unifying.

One of many many things that puzzles me is how anyone could have thought during the 2020 campaign that Joe Biden was a unifier. He called himself that, but his entire life’s work belied it, as well as his personality.

And here’s a nicely Orwellian and ironic touch:

Biden’s speech Thursday will take place outside Independence Hall, where the Declaration of Independence was debated and approved and, later, the U.S. Constitution was written.

Posted in Biden, Liberals and conservatives; left and right, Politics | 62 Replies

Why are so many FBI whistleblowers coming forward now?

The New Neo Posted on August 30, 2022 by neoAugust 30, 2022

And even more importantly – where were they before, when we really needed them? The damage has been ongoing for at least seven years and almost certainly more. But it affected the 2020 election in particular, as well as the lives of many people on the right who faced and still face legal jeopardy and lengthy imprisonment for actions that would earn a wink if perpetrated by people on the left.

But suddenly, there are a great many FBI whistleblowers coming forward to Republican members of Congress. See this [emphasis mine]:

“These new allegations are appalling, and continue to demonstrate that the FBI‘s culture has gone off the rails,” Rep. Dan Bishop, North Carolina Republican, told The Washington Times. “New FBI whistleblowers are coming forward at a rapid pace, and my Republican colleagues and I on the Judiciary committee will leave no stone unturned.”…

These new whistleblowers from the bureau are in addition to the 14 FBI whistleblowers House Judiciary Committee ranking member Rep. Jim Jordan, Ohio Republican, says he has already talked to.

The new group of insiders accuses FBI management in different field offices of corruption, cover-ups and retaliation against rank-and-file agents who attempted to expose it, The Washington Times has learned…

Mr. Gaetz cited one whistleblower as telling him that he’s coming forward to save the agency from implosion.

“The guy told me that he loves the bureau, that he doesn’t want to see the bureau defunded or destroyed, but that he really feels a need to come forward so that there’s a focus on the things they ought to be doing, not trying to affect political outcomes,” he said.

Here are some ideas I have about the timing:

(1) Previously, would-be whistleblowers were so afraid of retaliation that they waited. While they waited, they communicated and networked with each other in some clandestine way until they felt emboldened by strength in numbers.

(2) The problems within the FBI simply became more and more egregious and more and more people in the FBI encountered them.

(3) In addition public sentiment has been strongly turning against the Bureau.

(4) In particular, the recent talk of defunding or disbanding the FBI has made the whistleblowers come forward in order to save the FBI and perhaps their own jobs.

(5) The idea that the GOP has a decent chance of taking control of Congress in 2022 has helped them to come forward in anticipation of that (then again, why didn’t more of them come forward during Russiagate, when the GOP had control and Trump was president?).

All these explanations seem a bit weak to me. You may have better ideas.

I also believe that the firing – or resignation – of agent Thibault represents a decision by the higher-ups that he will be blamed for the rot that is rampant in the agency. Interestingly, even before the MAL raid but when it was about to occur, Christopher Wray had testified before Congress that Thibault was a problem – and yet the raid went forward shortly afterwards.

There’s also this:

House Judiciary Committee Republicans are opening an investigation into Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz over reports suggesting his office’s involvement in examining a cellphone the FBI seized from Rep. Scott Perry’s (R-PA).

A letter sent Monday by Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), the ranking member, said such a move by the agency’s independent watchdog “creates a serious conflict of interest for the OIG in reviewing the Department’s actions.” Among the demands made of Horowitz were those for relevant documents and communications, as well as explanations for a forensic examination of Perry’s phone and concerns raised about the seizure. Jordan asked the inspector general to produce this material no later than 5 p.m. on Sept. 12.

And although some people are encouraged by the idea that Judge Cannon may appoint a special master to oversee the documents seized in the MAL raid, I think it’s way too little way too late. The FBI had its fishing expedition and – “taint squad” notwithstanding – almost certainly has already combed through everything. So, they seized privileged documents? So sorry – oopsies!

NOTE: So far I don’t see any coverage of these whistleblowers in the MSM. If you can find any, let me know. When I do a search, I just get stories from sources on the right. When I go to the New York Times’ site and search for “whistle blowers,” I get recent stories about the Twitter whistleblowers.

Posted in Law, Liberty | Tagged FBI, Hunter Biden | 28 Replies

Open thread 8/30/22

The New Neo Posted on August 30, 2022 by neoAugust 30, 2022

Posted in Uncategorized | 29 Replies

Thomas Sowell on intellectuals (with a Bobby Fischer detour)

The New Neo Posted on August 29, 2022 by neoAugust 29, 2022

This weekend we discussed “the elites” on this thread, and I mentioned that Thomas Sowell had written an entire book on the highly related subject of Intellectuals and Society. Here’s a short discussion with him about it, during the Obama years:

I’m not sure what Sowell went on to say after that, but I would add that educated people in the Founders’ day had a solid grounding in ancient history, which contained a great many messages about the dangers of tyrannical governments. They also were quite familiar with the Bible. I doubt the same two things can be said of most of our intellectuals or our “elites” today.

Also, I’ve cued up a short excerpt from this interview:

Maybe this is nitpicking, but I’d like to correct one brief thing that Sowell said at 4:35. Bobby Fischer was not happy to play chess and to stay out of larger pronouncements (although as far as I know, Sowell is correct that Fischer made no larger pronouncements about evolution). In later life, after his retirement from chess, Fischer – always eccentric – became even more so, and more talkative. At that point he opined on a lot of things. For example, shortly after 9/11 Fischer had this to say:

Fischer stated that he was happy that the attacks had happened, while expressing his view on United States and Israeli foreign policy, saying, “I applaud the act. Look, nobody gets … that the US and Israel have been slaughtering the Palestinians … for years.” He also said, “The horrible behavior that the US is committing all over the world … This just shows you, that what goes around, comes around, even for the United States.” Fischer also referenced the movie Seven Days in May and said he hoped for a military coup d’état in the US: “[I hope] the country will be taken over by the military—they’ll close down all the synagogues, arrest all the Jews, execute hundreds of thousands of Jewish ringleaders.”

But these beliefs did not only emerge after 9/11; they were longstanding. Fischer’s mother was ethnically Jewish although not religious, but his father (whom he did not know) was not Jewish and Fischer never considered himself Jewish. He certainly went quite far in the other direction of rabid anti-Semitism:

Fischer made numerous antisemitic statements and professed a general hatred for Jews since at least the early 1960s. Jan Hein Donner wrote that at the time of Bled 1961, “He idolized Hitler and read everything about him that he could lay his hands on. He also championed a brand of anti-semitism that could only be thought up by a mind completely cut off from reality.” Donner took Fischer to a war museum, which “left a great impression, since [Fischer] is not an evil person, and afterwards he was more restrained in his remarks—to me, at least.”

From the 1980s on, Fischer’s comments about Jews were a major theme in his public and private remarks. He openly denied the Holocaust, and called the United States “a farce controlled by dirty, hook-nosed, circumcised Jew bastards”…In 1999, he gave a radio call-in interview to a station in Budapest, Hungary, during which he described himself as the “victim of an international Jewish conspiracy”. In another radio interview, Fischer said that it became clear to him in 1977, after reading The Secret World Government by Count Cherep-Spiridovich, that Jewish agencies were targeting him….Fischer, at a press conference upon his return to Reykjavik, Iceland, lashed out at Jeremy Schaap, the son of the late Dick Schaap, a sportswriter who had been a father figure to Fischer when growing up, calling his father a “Jewish snake” for doubting Fischer’s sanity in his later writings.

Sowell is correct, however, that Fischer was not an intellectual, and that he certainly had a very small area of expertise and that when he stepped outside it he was way out of his depth. I wonder, though; would most people consider a chess player an intellectual? Chess tends to be correlated with a certain type of high intelligence, but chess players don’t trade in ideas as their main concern – their brilliance is spatial and strategic/tactical/analytical/intuitive, is it not?

Posted in Academia, Getting philosophical: life, love, the universe, Jews | Tagged Thomas Sowell | 58 Replies

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The New Neo Posted on August 29, 2022 by neoAugust 29, 2022

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Yes indeed, it is imperative.

Posted in Blogging and bloggers | 11 Replies

More on the MAL raid and the affidavit: the persistent influence of propaganda

The New Neo Posted on August 29, 2022 by neoAugust 29, 2022

From Margot Cleveland at The Federalist:

The search warrant affidavit unsealed on Friday confirms the Department of Justice used a bait-and-switch tactic to justify the FBI’s unprecedented raid on former President Donald Trump’s home. The unredacted portions of the affidavit further expose the Biden administration’s manipulative and tenuous basis for the search and its reliance on inapplicable federal criminal code provisions to justify the targeting of a political enemy.

Yes, but…half of America already knows Trump violated the Espionage Act – ergo, he’s a spy – and was planning to give nuclear secrets to somebody-or-other, anybody, perhaps the highest bidder because he’s all about the money.

Or something like that. I believe this raid had two main purposes, and the first was to plant propaganda in people’s heads, with the fervent cooperation of the MSM. The second was the fishing expedition part, with the goal of finding some technicality on which to criminally indict Trump, or perhaps to cover their own tracks by seizing Russiagate documents (or perhaps both).

More from Cleveland:

While the next nearly eight pages of the search warrant affidavit remained redacted, the disclosures that followed exposed the affidavit’s focus on “classified records” as a sham. “On or about May 6, 2021, NARA made a request for the missing PRA records and continued to make requests until approximately late December 2021 when NARA was informed twelve boxes were found and ready for retrieval at the [Mar-a-Lago],” the affidavit continued, with the abbreviation “PRA” previously noted to stand for the Presidential Records Act.

As I explained previously, to fully comprehend the Biden administration’s weaponizing of the DOJ and FBI, it is necessary to understand the Presidential Records Act, the concept of “presidential records,” and the NARA’s role, and the search warrant affidavit’s references to those concepts confirm that point…

The public (understandably) may wish to sidestep the minutia of the mandates of the Presidential Records Act, but three top-line takeaways prove imperative to understanding the scandal of the Mar-a-Lago search. First, the Presidential Records Act is not a criminal statute, and violations of that federal law do not constitute a crime. Second, the Presidential Records Act does not reach broad swathes of documents retained by a former president, including “official records of an agency,” “personal records,” and convenience copies of presidential records. And third, the courts have refused to question a former president’s conclusion that a record constitutes a “personal record” and not a “presidential record.”

I believe that Cleveland is correct when she writes that the public (or at least half the public) “may wish to sidestep the minutia of the mandates of the Presidential Records Act.” But it’s not just because it’s boring and technical and picayune, as many statutes are. It’s because the majority of Trump haters don’t care what the law is, as long as the feds finally get the Great Orange Whale.

This post adds some other thoughts:

When [in the affadavit] they refer to what was found in the 15 boxes, they refer to documents with “classification markings.” That leaves open the possibility that they aren’t classified any longer — that they may have been declassified. The affidavit says the documents “appear” to contain National Defense Information, but Sperry asks if they “triaged” the boxes, wouldn’t they know if it did or not?

There’s a line in there about “probable cause to believe evidence of obstruction will be found at the premises.” But as Sperry explains, there’s no heading about that “obstruction” or anything in the unredacted parts that justify this random sentence. The agent behind the affidavit says he believed the storage room and other spaces at Mar-a-Lago weren’t “currently” authorized for storage of classified information. Either they were or they weren’t, didn’t he know? And were they in the past and not now?

Then in the affidavit, there’s a letter dated June 8 mentioned, from the DOJ to Trump’s counsel, telling the Trump team that they have to keep the documents in the storage room until further notice…

So, they seem to think it wasn’t a secure location, but then they tell them to keep the documents there? They don’t take them immediately. They wait two months until the raid on August 8? Why not take them all when they took the original boxes? That seems to blow apart the claim that there was any urgency going on here.

Then of course they knew what was there because they told the Trump team to keep it there. Sperry interprets that as potentially trying to entrap Trump with what the DOJ told them to do.

Whatever ends up happening with this, the narrative is permanently set for a great many people. The same thing happened with the utterly debunked (to use a favorite word of theirs, although they don’t apply it to Russiagate) Russigate story and the infamous Steele dossier.

And then there’s the Hunter Biden laptop and the January 6th “insurrection.” The following clip on those subjects is very recent; it features Bill Maher talking to Rob Reiner and Amy Klobuchar. It’s been viewed and talked about quite a bit in the context of Rob Reiner’s not seeming to know much about the Hunter laptop coverup. But I note a couple of other things about it as well.

Maher starts with a reference to the Sam Harris remarks (I wrote about them in this post) in which Harris basically said that anything was justified in order to stop Trump, and Maher is asking Reiner whether the Hunter laptop coverup by the media was justified. Interesting, though, that Maher doesn’t reference Zuckerberg’s recent remarks that the social media coverup of the laptop story was requested by the partisan FBI. Note also how Reiner counters by changing the subject to January 6th, and that he says that it was a case of “armed violence to try to kill people in the Capitol.” Wrong – and Maher doens’t correct him. The only people who tried to kill anyone were the Capitol police, and they were successful. At the end of the clip, Klobuchar chimes in with the idea that Trump “literally tried to lead an armed insurrection.” Those things have become truths for half of America, and Reiner (who may not know any better) and Klobuchar (who almost certainly does) are perpetuating the myths.

Here’s the clip:

Posted in Election 2020, Liberals and conservatives; left and right, Press, Trump, Violence | 62 Replies

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