DC grand jury refuses to indict Democrat legislators who advised military members to disobey orders
A Washington, DC, grand jury refused to indict Democratic lawmakers who made a video urging military and intelligence agency members to disobey illegal orders, according to numerous outlets.
The government and courts did not reveal the charges or which members were named in the indictment.
Please read the whole thing.
This was one of those judgment calls in terms of whether the accused are actually guilty of seditious conspiracy. But I think it was madness to think a DC grand jury would ever indict them. Pick your battles. This result was a gimme to the left, which can self-righteously claim persecution and vindication.
On the other hand, I think it is highly likely that if the facts were all the same but it was Republicans who had made the statements, and Republicans facing a DC grand jury, they would have been indicted and then probably convicted.
[NOTE: Kelly may fall under military jurisdiction, but the others do not.]
Will no one disregard these inconvenient orders!?
I expect the plan was for all dems to start screaming that something Trump ordered was “ILLEGAL!!!”, because they found it inconvenient. Hoping some poor chump would do something stupid and screw things up. Then be prosecuted for it.
A two-fer.
They knew exactly what they were doing. The problem is that they did it in such a way it is nearly impossible to charge them within our legal system. I’ve been following Donald Vandergriff who wrote a strong and detailed Substack piece on this:
https://open.substack.com/pub/donvandergriff/p/vandergriff-introduction-to-the-democrats?utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=post%20viewer
Spoiler:
These efforts represent a textbook application of 5th Generation Warfare principles: using information dominance, narrative control, and psychological manipulation to erode trust, sow division within the military, and potentially sever its loyalty to constitutional civilian authority. As Chase notes, this mirrors the seventh step in state revolution—dividing the military—per Stanford’s Michael McFaul. [end quote]
A consistent theme in Vandergraff’s articles is how much the Democrats are engaging in 4th and 5th generation warfare. While Republicans are stuck on 2nd generation.
If Vandergraff’s analysis is correct – I see no reason it isn’t – these members of Congress were trying to carry out Coup 2.0.
If you sever the constitutional constraints under which the military functions you had better be absolutely sure that you have complete loyalty of the military heirarchy to your new agenda. Absolute loyalty, or you will be caught and shot by the new martial law you brought into being. There won’t be any do overs for LARPers. Civil wars are like that.
Smells like (Dem) Team Spirit…
And this…absolutely stinks:
“Forensic Experts Say Kurt Cobain Was Murdered”—
https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2026/02/10/forensic-experts-say-kurt-cobain-was-murdered-n4949363
I am curious why Nicolas Maduro was charged in New York city? The New York Democrats would love nothing better than to acquit him.
Kelly may fall under military jurisdiction…
Retirees like Kelly never separate from the military, they are instead placed in the retired reserve and therefore fall under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ. I’m sure he will be court-martialed and hopefully punished. He should have damn well known better. Even in a less fraught political climate such statements coming from a senior officer would be view as potentially inciting mutiny.
Maybe they will all get off, but the next time a Mark Kelly or Don Lemon gets to feeling self-righteous and invulnerable, they will have to think about it.
The process is also a punishment. Republicans have been living with that for a long time.
I have no doubt that if the turn of the events in a few years Republicans will get convicted for insurrection
I’m not certain.
A) Dems can claim persecution, but were not even indicted, much less arrested at 4am with all their electronics seized.
B) It seems an obvious case of unfair double standards, one for Reps & a different one for Dems.
For Dems, A dominates; for Reps its B. Neither group was going to change minds much. For the unregistered, at least some will see B, double standards, as worse than A, tho some will be the reverse. Which some is bigger? Likely there will be more cases, and other issues dominate. But which A B feeling will be in the back of the mind of the independents, who mostly decide the outcomes of close elections?
Given how I expected this to turn out I figured it was better for Trump to respond to this with ridicule and point out examples of actual illegal orders. For example he could bring up releasing operational information to the side of the enemy would be illegal and then expressly point out if someone was asked to help in doing that that would be an illegal order and any member of the military would be expected to refuse that order and actually expected to arrest Milley.
I’m a little confused. I thought that officers and enlisted were supposed to disobey illegal orders. Illegal as defined by the UCMJ. Not an order that a political party deems illegal.
the indictment was secured in new york in 2020, which is where many of the banks that enabled the crimes were located, conceivably you could have a superseding indictment, as data republican has noted, the legerdemain, that twenty year old claims, are not legitimate,
ridicule and illustration only goes so far, there has to be the fist behind the velvet glove,
but as we know the dc milieu is not reliable, we shall see how the national guard shooting trial goes,
neo wrote:
“On the other hand, I think it is highly likely that if the facts were all the same but it was Republicans who had made the statements, and Republicans facing a DC grand jury, they would have been indicted and then probably convicted.”
Yes! This! And the same goes for NY juries. Further, there really isn’t any way that a Republican president could get politically sensitive cases tried anywhere else, meaning that the right can’t get cases tried in front of juries that are even likely to be fair, let alone advantageously partisan in the same way that NY, DC, and northern Virginia juries are for the left.
Unavoidable conclusion: Lawfare is asymmetric. As in, they can win (at least at the trial level) and we cannot.
Any leader with more than two brain cells would have made a plan that takes this into account.
Here’s what Grok says about why Nicholas Medora was indicted in New York City
Why the Southern District of New York (SDNY)?
• SDNY handles many international narco-trafficking and terrorism-related cases due to its expertise, resources (including DEA/HSI involvement), and jurisdiction over cases with a U.S. nexus (e.g., drugs destined for or impacting the U.S.).
• The conspiracy allegedly targeted the U.S. directly (cocaine importation), giving federal courts venue, especially since some co-conspirators or evidence links may tie back there.
• It’s the same court that prosecuted similar high-profile narco cases (e.g., involving FARC or Mexican cartels).
Bauxy complaining about someone’s brain cells lol. Still on EBT from when Trump “destroyed trillions of dollars” in the stock market?
Wasn’t the MAL raid an illegal order?
Oh. Wait…
FOAF – Looks like ad hominem is pretty much all you’ve got.
No one ever uses a Texas Grand Jury for such proceedings, I’ve noticed.