Commenter “Frederick” asked:
@neo:This was part of Obama’s plan, I believe: to weaken the US on the world stage.
Probably too big for the comments here, but I’m curious about this. Do you think Obama and the people aligned with him deliberately seek to weaken the US? And if so, for what purpose: is it that they think the US is evil, or because they think Americans would be better off, or what is the motivation? And is this something they knowingly do, and talk about it amongst themselves? And how large is the inner circle that knows what the aim is and is on board?
In the thread that followed, there were some excellent responses. I’ll highlight a few here:
Obama is post-American. He doesn’t give a rip about ordinary people. He cares about the transnational cosmopolitan professional-managerial stratum (and celebrities). Vigorous national states are a bulwark against that stratum. Note his peculiar hostility to Bibi Netanyahu. Israel is unapologetic in its pursuit of national interests and Bibi’s impressive qualities remind Obama of his own inadequacies.
I would add that I don’t find his hostility to Netanyahu the least bit “peculiar.” It’s SOP for the left; Netanyahu isn’t just an Israeli – which is already a bad thing to the left – but he’s on the right and unabashedly so. To the left, the only good Israelis are those who are on the left and who are appeasers of the Palestinians.
Art Deco adds:
BTW, I think if you put them under sodium pentathol, you’d discover that Obama’s bad attitude is quite normal among professional-managerial types in this country.
No need for sodium pentathol. They’ll say it up front. Nor is it limited to “professional-managerial types.” Not long after my political change – which was close to twenty years ago – I began to notice that, in casual conversation among the people I knew, the US was routinely referred to in pejorative terms. These were not even deep geopolitical discussions, either; we’re talking about things like the fruit stands in Europe versus the fruit stands in the US. These people were neither managerial nor especially professional, intellectual, or leftist. A few were teachers, some were office workers, but all were regular Democratic Party voters without thinking all that much about it. Somewhere along the line – and maybe it was even long ago, during the Vietnam era – they had decided the US was uniquely awful and nationalism terrible as well.
And yet they’ve stayed in this country.
Obama was raised in an explicitly more leftist environment, as well as a state that only achieved that status about two years before Obama’s birth and was nowhere near the continental US. His father, whom he didn’t know, was a Kenyan national, and his mother lived the bulk of her adult life in Indonesia, a country where Obama lived as a child from about the ages of seven to eleven. It’s hard to escape the conclusion that his ties to the US are more those of an outsider; who would have given him any other perspective, or any positive perspective? (That has nothing to do with his birth certificate, by the way – I believe he was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen of the US).
Commenter “Don” adds:
Part of Obama’s view, I believe, is the left’s expectation of US decline. It was said that Obama viewed his role as managing the decline of the US. Many have been predicting a multipolar world where China is the major player. Before that in the 80s and early 90s pretty much the same people expected Japan to surpass the US…
A good illustration of this was Obama’s “red line” on Syria. He didn’t act when they crossed it, and when asked in an interview he stated that “it wasn’t his red line it was the world’s”.
I think the foundation of this type of thinking is a belief that the world is a nicer place then it really is. The left has tried to make it seem that the US causes all kinds of trouble, and we are hated because of what we do. If we left others alone, there could be peace.
In reality, the modern world is a much better place because, since at least 1805, the world’s oceans have been dominated by English speaking navies, with the exception of the first half of 1942 in the Pacific. England and the US are the key cause of the modern peace, prosperity and technical advancement.
Again, these are common views on the US left and not at all exceptional.
And from “Mike K”:
I think Obama has decided (maybe aided by his mysterious supporters) that the US is irredeemable and must be destroyed to save it, like the village in Vietnam. This is sort of a religion on the left who have no idea how things are built or where electricity comes from.
Many years ago I wrote a post on patriotism and nationalism, and I’ve reposted it many times on Memorial Day. Here’s one of those recent repostings; I suggest you read the whole thing if you’re not familiar with it, because it’s relevant to the present discussion as well. But here’s an excerpt:
…[P]patriotism and nationalism seem to have been rejected by a large segment of Europeans even earlier, as a result of the devastation both sentiments were thought to have wrought on that continent during WWI and WWII. Of course, WWII in Europe was a result mainly of German nationalism run amok, coupled with a lot more than nationalism itself. But the experience seemed to have given nationalism as a whole a very bad name…
…[T]he post-WWII idea [was] of nationalism as a dangerous force, mercifully dead or dying, to be replaced (hopefully) by a pan-national (or, rather, anational) Europeanism.
Although Obama has no particular historic ties to Europe, I believe that this is his orientation and that it was one of the reasons Europe adored him. Its opposite is also one of the reasons Europe hated his successor Trump.
As for Biden – he has no principles other than his own personal ambition. His present-day cognitive challenges aside, even when he was better in that regard he still followed Obama in everything when Biden was vice president. Biden’s anti-American actions now – and there’s almost nothing but anti-American actions – are what he thinks he must do to appease his base and to follow in the footsteps of Obama and company. There’s also the corruption angle, and we don’t know how broad and deep that is. But money, as well a covering his past tracks in that regard, may be a big part of Biden’s policies at present.
