Solzhenitsyn famously said: “live not by lies.” How many politicians follow that maxim? Vanishingly few. And I wouldn’t expect them to; politics is a dirty, compromised business.
And yet, not all lies are created equal. Some lies are minor: “I had the biggest crowd ever at my rally.” Some lies are much worse: “The MAGA insurrectionists on January 6th killed five people.” Some lies are even more destructive: “The Jews are an evil cabal that runs the world, and all of them must be murdered, even the children.” Or: “Communism will lead to utopia; we just have to kill a few hundred million people who stubbornly refuse to get with the program.”
Politicians need to draw lines about the positions of allies, and to make it clear when a position an ally holds is beyond the pale and highly destructive, especially when that position is based on something that is unequivocally a lie.
Which brings us to discussions such as this one, from a comment by “Nate Winchester.” I had previously written this:
Yes , I think it will “end there” because the offenses of Owens, Carlson, Fuentes et al are especially egregious and vile. If [Vance] can’t be critical of them he is morally bankrupt., These are not small nitpicky issues, to be safely ignored, as other such calls to denounce someone else might be. Perhaps you haven’t listened to them; i have. They are poison, and it’s not “just” about Jews and Israel, either.
It is possible – and necessary – to pick and choose whom to denounce.
I wrote quite a bit more, but that was the part “Nate Winchester” quoted, and he replied:
I believe you have misunderstood me, @neo. I’m not saying they are small things or nitpicky or anything of the sort. You say it will “end there” – how?
Not even rhetorical or leading, I really do mean, “how will it end there?” Because I remember the 2016 election. You could make a drinking game of how often Trump would get asked in interviews about white nationalists and like. Each and every time he expressed strong condemnation and denouncement. And then they would ask it again. Even in Trump’s Charlottesville speech he outright said “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally” and yet what was the meme created by the media? I remember that time because on other blogs I pointed out to Leftists that line, a line of condemnation in a speech by Trump before that day, and a line of condemnation in a speech that followed that one (establishing that in 3 speeches in a row he condemned white nationalists) and it still wasn’t enough for the other side (some of whom even outright denied it).
So yes, part of me just does not believe that it will “end there” because experience has shown me that it won’t. It may “end there” for you and a few other people, but unfortunately those are not the only votes that count in a nation-wide run or voice in public spaces. … My impression looking back is that when the Right said, “Ok, we’re also not ok with racism and will kick out people who have those views” the Left very quickly figured out they could use “racism” to snipe out of the way any Right-leaning figure that was a bit too troublesome for them.
I’m not even saying you’re wrong or Carlson et al aren’t dangerous or anything like that. I’m trying to think what are the long term plays. JD kicks them out of the party and establishes for the Press that a specific charge can cut someone out of the coalition. Then they start badgering JD about the next person/group they want to get cut off. Then the next after that. And another after that.
Because in the post and thread that followed we were talking solely about demands from the right that Vance criticize and even denounce Tucker, Owens, and Fuentes, I assumed with my answer that we were not talking about demands from the left. But apparently that wasn’t clear enough, so let me say that of course, the left will never stop making such demands. Also, it will distort any response that is made in order to make the Republican look as bad as possible. Those things are crystal clear and have been for a long long time.
I’m talking about demands from people on the right. And to clarify further: I’m not even saying that demands from the right will ever end, although I think they are not as incessant or widespread as those from the left. What I meant when I wrote that “it will end there,” was not that the demands themselves will end, just that only some things require a public stance against them. I think that generally, when we’re talking about demands from the right, it’s only the most egregious and destructive lies on the right from which a politician on the right would need to distance him or herself.
And furthermore – for me, the emphasis shouldn’t be on demands and reactions to them, yea or nay.
If a person says “I’m not going to do a certain thing because I don’t respond to demands,” that is paradoxical because the demand is still shaping the speaker’s behavior, albeit in a negative way. It’s a bit analogous to the position of a rebellious teen who won’t do something merely because mom and dad tell him not to do it. The demand nevertheless is still shaping the behavior and the teen is not independent, merely stubbornly negating the demand.
“I don’t do something merely because people tell me to do it” is a perfectly reasonable position for anyone to take. But it should be combined with, “I also don’t not do something just because people tell me to do it. That is, I make my own decisions independently.” And then the person can either condemn something, refuse to condemn it, agree with it, disagree with it, or declare neutrality, based on the thing itself: is it true or false, is it wrong and destructive, and how important is it?
That should be the basis of the decision. Each politician can make that decision and must make it, setting up a hierarchy of issues he or she deems important enough and offenses great enough on which to draw the line.
“I will condemn no one and no thought or utterance on the right, no matter how awful” is, in my opinion, a position of moral bankruptcy, although it might be arrived at for the very practical reason that the politician has decided that’s the way to election victory. I don’t think that’s the case here with Vance’s stand; I not only think it’s morally bankrupt but I also don’t think it will lead to victory. I think that more people would vote for moral clarity than moral bankruptcy, and that “my buddy, right or wrong, and there is literally nothing that person could say with which I would publicly disagree” is not moral clarity and not worthy of respect.
NOTE: Let me add that it’s a strawman to pretend that the issue at hand is the demand that Vance or any other politician condemn people for disagreeing with Israeli policy or the current Israeli government. I see that strawman argument made constantly; it started on the left and then morphed to the right. I’ve written about some of the actual issues involved, in several posts on Owens and Carlson; for example this and this for Owens, and this and this for Carlson.
And by the way, I don’t think Trump needs to denounce the trio. He’s already called Carlson “kooky” (way too mild, but at least it’s both true and negative). But actions speak even louder than words, and Trump has made it clear by both words and action that he doesn’t share the pernicious beliefs of Carlson, Owens, and Fuentes and is opposed to them. Perhaps as time goes on, this will become more clear of Vance as well. I certainly hope so.