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  1. But I’ll add that, if we lose this election, I believe it will be due to this issue.

    Some people will be equally sure it was due to nominating Trump. Some will be equally sure it was due to the selection of Vance as VP. Some will be equally sure it will be due to the media thumb on the scale. Some (and I’m one of these) will be equally sure it will be due to irregularities in ballot-counting in critical Dem-denominated precincts in swing states.

    The election, if lost, will be lost by a narrow margin and there will be any number of plausible narratives chosen in advance to which the loss could be attributed, and they will all have equally good evidence.

    The danger here is that the wrong narrative will be accepted and the wrong lesson learned.

    But let’s assume for the sake of argument that the election is lost because Republicans are seen to be too restrictive toward abortion. Shall we follow a multitude to do evil, so we can win some elections–and then what? Say ha ha suckers, we ARE restricting abortion now that we have enough power? That’s not plausible, I think. If Republicans give up on it they give up on it forever. They will have brought into the tent people who won’t think abortion is very bad and those people will be part of the leftward ratchet. The argument that “you have to compromise to at least get some of what you want” is negated by embrace of this strategy.

    I’m kind of tired of the leftward ratchet, and instead of deciding to embrace it, I think we might set ourselves the task of creating a rightward ratchet instead…

    Fortunately the number of voters who can be won over by ACLU direct mail campaigns is diminishing daily as they age out; they will be helped along by legal euthanasia promoted by the very same people and enabled by the very same votes.

    The day will come that the Republican candidate will be compared to Hitler for OPPOSING euthanasia; and maybe the next close election will see euthanasia brought into the GOP tent, too. Or opposition to Israel or something else a lot of us think represents part of the moral core of those who vote Republican.

  2. As though the election will be a fair one….

    In related “news”, PRECISELY THIS:
    “Rogan Counters YouTube Trump Censorship, Vance Interview Imminent, Harris Makes Demands”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/joe-rogan-address-trump-interview-youtube-censorship-concerns-also-says-harris-interview
    Key grafs:

    … Meanwhile, if the suppression of the Rogan-Trump interview sounds wild, in MSM, there’s a complete, full-blown panic meltdown underway.

    Several major newspapers have rejected endorsing any political candidate, which has only sparked a shitstorm at The Washington Post, which for decades endorsed leftist candidates….

    As a result, the censorship-industrial complex unleashed MSM, Media Matters, and others to go on the offensive this week as alternative news dominates…

    The entire censorship-industrial complex is in full blown meltdown…

  3. It’s been awhile since I’ve received a begging letter — with the inevitable and phony poll — from the ACLU. But when I do, I always send it back (in their postage-paid envelope) having chosen most of the “answers” they want. And I say that my check for $300 is enclosed. Of course there’s no check.

    Often then, about six weeks later, I get an individual first-class letter from them saying they’re eager to activate my membership, but my check wasn’t enclosed. Typically, they also include the original “survey”/donation form, along with another postage-paid envelope.

    Rinse and repeat. I’ve seen a few of those forms return three or four times.

    It’s a bit of guerrilla action that costs them money directly, in postage — also via extra work for their clerical employees — without costing me much effort.

  4. Yesterday I got something in the mail from the ACLU that purported to be a survey. But although it had questions – all leading, all assuming I was on the left – it was the cover letter that grabbed my attention. Here’s how it started:

    I am reminded of several times during the Obama years of getting the same survey to answer from the DNC. To me the questions were, like Neo wrote, “all leading, all assuming I was on the left,” and phrased such that I –or anyone not on the left– had difficulty agreeing with any of the choices.

    The letter claimed that I had been chosen for the survey because I was a “community leader.” How they concluded that, I have no idea. Perhaps because I was a homeowner on the tax roll? I doubt they knew I was an officer in my HOA, as that information was not easy to find. The letter ended by requesting that I contribute money to the DNC and or/ the Obama campaign.

    I considered writing a snarky reply, but figured that anonymity was better. Paul Nachman had a good approach.

    I always send it back (in their postage-paid envelope) having chosen most of the “answers” they want. And I say that my check for $300 is enclosed. Of course there’s no check.

    The DNC apparently got the idea that I was not likely to be a contributor, as it stopped mailing me after those two tries.

  5. The ancient religious cults would perform human rites for social, clinical, criminal, political, and climate progress. They still do. Keep women affordable, available, reusable, and taxable, and the carbon-based “burden” of evidence sequestered in sanctuary states.

    That, and Democratics legalized diverse sexual orientations (e.g. pedophilia, sadomasochism) under cover of political congruence (“=”) of couples and couplets.

    American Civil Liberties Unburdened

  6. In a similar vein, Harris is giving her final speech tonight from the Ellipse. From the leaked text it will be what we’ve heard for the last week. Trump will use the military to go after everyone who opposes him, etc etc etc.

    I can’t see this helping move voters, but as has been mentioned before, laying the ground work for post election violence and attempted assassination/coup. If he wins as now expected, all the stops will come out to keep him from office. It’s not going to be a pleasant Nov-Dec

  7. Another thing to consider before deciding that any particular Republican position has cost us the election, is that the volume of lies about Republican positions is widespread.

    In this mailing, the ACLU lies and says Republicans want to take away your birth control and your right to vote. (They said the same about Romney). They lie about Trump planning to be a dictator. On Twitter Doug Emhoff lies about Trump being an antisemite:

    We all heard the antisemitic and racist speeches at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally yesterday.

    It’s appalling to hear those slurs. But nothing will stop me from living fearlessly as a Jew. Nothing will stop Kamala and me from speaking out.

    How do we know that an election wasn’t narrowly lost due to an issue that is simply being lied about? In that case, it makes no sense to change the Republican position away from abortion or anything else: they will simply lie and say that Republicans will take away your right to an abortion or whatever lie they care to make up.

  8. But that’s nowhere near good enough for abortion absolutists on both sides. On the left we have those who want no restrictions, and on the right we have those who want an absolute ban.

    100% agree!

    The only “vicious assault” on transgender young people is the movement on the left to “treat” – with drugs and surgeries that often take away their “reproductive rights” to have children or to experience sexual pleasure – minors who lack the ability to consent.

    Such butchery on Children should be a Capital Crime – from any parent allowing it, to teachers & schools promoting it, and to Doctors-Nurses-Shrinks & Hospitals involved in the butchery. Add politicians in on the Capital Crime if they voted to support such butchery. Add News Media also if they are involved in the butchery.

    In ref to Abortions – neo closed with this:

    But I’ll add that, if we lose this election, I believe it will be due to this issue.

    Agree — *IF* REPs & Trump lose; however, I don’t see a majority of American MOMs going along with any more brainwashing and/or butchery of their Children—even if the mom is pro-abortion…

  9. Have just returned from a brief visit to the US.
    I was dumbstruck by the unabashed lying like that The Boss’ letter from the ACLU contains. Caused me to doubt even the “and & the”… mostly TV ads but certainly posters and flyers in public display. Even the lowest of LIVs would almost ‘have to’ know the lies were lies.
    I’m not usually a “despair”-oriented person…I really do go in hope. But it was so open and so totally detached from reality…made me pray harder for whatever comes of next week and the days until…?

  10. “from talking to some of them about this, I don’t think there’s anything that could change their minds. And no, for the most part they are not and never have been radical leftists or especially politically oriented. For most of their lives, they voted for Democrats and followed the news in a surface manner, but didn’t hold especially radical views. And yet despite all of that, they accept radical moves on the part of the Democrats for whom they continue to vote, because pitches like the one in that letter strike them in very personal ways.

    A willful refusal to consider reasoned, fact-based challenges to cherished assumptions is the primary characteristic of a “useful idiot”.

    For “There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know.” 1546 John Haywood

    Long before Haywood, the same truth can be found in the Old Testament: “Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not.” Jeremiah 5:21 (King James version)

    However much technological progress we make, human nature doesn’t change.

    “We have met the enemy and he is us.”

  11. I know of not a single male voter who is likely to be swayed by an appeal to unlimited abortion, paid for by the taxpayers and availble up to and through childbirth. (Are we still calling it “childbirth,” or have the lunatics come up with another euphemism, like “fetal escape syndrome,” or “front hole fetal leakage”?) I am aware, however that this does appeal to a certain, rather significant portion of the female electorate. So I propose that, should Trump fail to prevail in the election, it will be due to female voters. Based o. my knowledge of all relevant surveys, this seems to be a fact, not merely conjecture or opinion. I hate to beat a dead horse, but the 19th Amendment is now clearly seen to be a failed social experiment. Emotional decisions are never good ones except by pure inadvertance, and since too many women make their decisions based on emotion, it would seem that the ruin of our nation was a foregone conclusion. The question remains, however, whether that was the intent or an unintended, but entirely foreseeable consequence.

  12. I think it may be that Draconian state abortion laws will backfire and cause the left to grow stronger.

    Those have been my thoughts.
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    About the general topic: It’s called “push polling.” Been around fo evah! I’m most familiar with the phone survey type, but neo’s is probably intended to generate lots of donations.

    As a sidelight on the topic, there is this old, and kinda mediocre, film noir entitled “The Fearmakers” (1958) starring Dana Andrews. I found it fascinating nonetheless because it is a very early direct look at seemingly benign operations like “public relations” and “public polling” that can be turned into propaganda operations.

  13. “On Twitter Doug Emhoff lies about Trump being an antisemite:

    We all heard the antisemitic and racist speeches at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally yesterday.

    It’s appalling to hear those slurs. But nothing will stop me from living fearlessly as a Jew”
    Emhoff, you mamzer kapo, you never lived as a Jew. You married two shiksas, slapped another and knocked up a fourth. your meeskite daughter is a bonafide nazi ( has to wait another generation to be accepted however),and your ignorance of what Chanukah is about reflects the fact that the Maccabees revolted against traitorous scum like you.
    the difference between Trump and Jewish liberals is Jewish grandchildren, and his are frum.

  14. Your are naive again they will jail anyone who opposes the mutiliation of children we saw what happened to parents who spoke out against sexual assault against their girls

    There is something demonic about this regime you keep entertaining because ukraine or project 2025 or someother rotgut

    There is nothing draconian about these abortion restriction they are well within the boundaries of science and most eu member countries rules

    Now considering how they want to reduce the population because skydragon by 80% that what they want to do with net zero and other exercises well we see where they are going

  15. Most Americans are smart enough to see through blatant campaign falsehoods. But Dem propaganda is no longer aimed at voters. They are merely giving talking points to the MSM.

    At a rally in 2020, Joe Biden essentially said that he didn’t need votes, just enough support to make the fraud stick. The MSM eagerly ran with a spun version of the story from there, labeling fraud evidence as “unsupported false claims” and “election denial”.

    Setting the narrative is the name of the game. Reality be damned.

  16. I have long thought that if the Rep had just shut up about abortion after Wade, the issue would have faded away, being replaced with something else

  17. I am an old doc, an observant Catholic, and solidly on the “right” (though I’m a southpaw), and have never considered an absolute, total ban on abortions as a desideratum, despite ACLU fictions, er, flagrant lies. The ACLU has become an entity of evil.

    I do consider wilful abortions a form of murder, killing an unborn human, hardly a “woman’s right to choose”. A spontaneous, involuntary abortion is correctly called a “miscarriage”. No mother has a “right” to kill their own 1 week-old child, perhaps born of a 38 week gestation; they are correctly prosecuted for murder. But it is fine to abort a 38 week gestation?

    To suggest those on the “right” are thus characterized, as ACLU and others do is an offensive lie, and typifies Democrats, whose Party has become neo-Nazi.
    My oldest son, now in middle age, weighed 2 pounds, 12 ounces as a preemie. Many aborted childern are more mature, weigh more. I remind him of that, since he lives in Massachusetts, a land of aborters.

  18. The thing is, it is so easy to learn the truth nowadays if one really wants to. Even with biased search engines, anyone can google “did Trump really say…” and find out that what they are being told is a lie. I believe that in reality they don’t want to know the truth. The intense hatred they have for Trump they find intoxicating. The last thing they want is to to lose the high they get from expressing their righteous hatred with like minded friends.

  19. Retired lawyer Steve wrote, in part:

    I hate to beat a dead horse, but the 19th Amendment is now clearly seen to be a failed social experiment. Emotional decisions are never good ones except by pure inadvertence, and since too many women make their decisions based on emotion, it would seem that the ruin of our nation was a foregone conclusion.

    That reminds me of when my mom (back in the 1960s) would be holding a League of Women Voters meeting in our home in Chicago and my dad — who was routinely a jokester — would tape signs around the living room’s walls saying “Repeal the 19th Amendment.”

    Of course he wasn’t serious, but Steve clearly is, and I think his point is worth adult discussion.

    It could be taken further. Perhaps only married men (leaves me out) should have the franchise. And maybe it should be limited to real-property owners.

    This is probably all academic — how would you undo this “right”? Nevertheless, I think the quality of today’s American electorate would have appalled and horrified the Founders — hordes in the vast slums of Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, Newark, St. Louis, Los Angeles, etc. are taking part in national decisions?!

    I hope Neo will weigh in on Steve’s suggestion and my floated codicils to it.

  20. I believe that in reality they don’t want to know the truth.

    Chris+B:

    You’re not the first to notice.
    ___________________________________________

    Go, go, go, said the bird: human kind
    Cannot bear very much reality.

    –T.S. Eliot, “The Four Quartets: Burnt Norton”
    ___________________________________________

    ‘Twas ever thus.

  21. The more reality-proof one’s bubble-wrap cocoon, the less downside there is to emotional decisions. As I’ve said before, in that situation, the results of a bad vote rarely land on your porch with your ballot voting for it attached. At worst, “It’s a price we have to pay.” “We” being somebody they’ve never heard of. Never met nor would speak to if they should.
    And nobody’s wrapped tighter in a cocoon than an AWFL. The women in the inner city are not so wrapped. The women married to or daughters of blue-collar guys in high-risk occupations are not so wrapped.
    The women whose commute is a little dicey from time to time….
    To the extent I discuss politics with women I know, the idea of policy as a rational issue is….I dunno, completely unknown, irrelevant and even vile.
    One woman tried to convince me that the disproportional representation of blacks in prison–as a proportion of the black population–was a terrible thing. I started to say we need to compare the proportion of whites who commit crimes and are in prison with the proportion of blacks who commit crimes and are in prison. Book got shut hard on that one. She knew better but…didn’t care.

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