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  1. But men can still have somewhat of an advantage

    Uh, yeah, that’s why there are different tee boxes for men and women.

    Anthropometric and physiological differences

    Men are bigger, stronger and faster, which anyone with eyes can see, and I’m so tired of what has been clearly and obviously known for millennia having to be “proved” again and again to mollify a fringe group of mentally ill weirdos.

  2. @mikeski: that’s why there are different tee boxes for men and women.

    Indeed there are. For people who don’t golf, the tee block distance is based on how many strokes are “expected” to get on the green, to oversimplify a bit. Some are “one” stroke away, some “two”, occasionally “three”. That’s why the women’s tees are much closer on the longer holes, because women on average don’t hit as far. If both sexes play from the men’s tees then a par 5 hole would be more like par 6 or 7 for a woman.

    Of course there are activists trying to change this in the name of equality. And in principle anybody can play from any tee block they wish, if they’re just playing for fun. Where it gets tricky is getting your play officially acknowledged, for handicap purposes or whatever. Women’s handicaps are rated from the women’s tees, even for the rare woman who hits long enough she’d rather play from the men’s. They don’t keep four sets of handicapping rules for men who play from the women’s, women who play from the men’s etc. A woman who hits long is disadvantaged if she plays from the men’s tees and if she plays from the women’s she has a different game from, if not necessarily actually an advantage over, other women.

  3. US District Judge Indira] Talwani. Appointed by Obama. Phillips Exeter Academy, Radcliffe and Cal Berkley Law.

    I’d have to look closely at this case, but it certainly looks like she is ignoring the law.

    We are so lucky in Nebraska. Our federal judges are fair.

  4. ” But men can still have somewhat of an advantage:”
    I recall seeing a golf tournament years ago and the men were fooling around having a contest to see who could hit the ball the farthest, and the men could hit it about 500 yards. That was about twice as far as the women could hit the ball.

  5. Yes at the professional golf level (even lower levels) men have a huge advantage. Taller longer limbs mean wider swing arc means more swing speeds mean more distance and more strength allows for more control of ball from taller grass. There is even some evidence that men are better putters than women which would seem to be the least affected area but maybe about spacial awareness and being able to match up speed and slope.

    Finally the longest driver of the ball on the LPGA Tour would be about the shortest on the PGA Tour.

    Just a massive difference for a man that has gone through puberty. Insane.

  6. #5.
    Nothing to see here (except more evidence of the “warmth of collectivism”…oh, AND who is REALLY important in the DSA pecking order**)…

    **I.e.—surprise!!—NOT the Kulaks…

  7. More on golf: years ago when Annika Sorenstam was at the top of her game as the best women’s golfer, she got to play in a PGA event and missed the cut. And in deference to my age, I play the gold tees. Though when playing with my daughter at Disney I was on the reds with her. The WDW courses are way long where the whites are like 6300yds…which is blues most places. The reds were still near 5700yds. Play the tees that match your game…why make a ridiculously hard game even more so?

    Related: now it comes out the WNBA had a trans player, though female to male. Frankly, I think they are protecting “Brittany” Griner. No doubt in my mind even back in ” her” college days she was a he….Adam’s apple, voice, etc.

  8. Re: Trans women golfers

    Since Tiger Woods, weight training has become standard for pro golfers.

    Of course strength is an asset in golf and XY is stronger than XX.

  9. @physicsguy: Frankly, I think they are protecting “Brittany” Griner.

    Bingo!

    Don’t forget that Griner was the idiot who took a marijuana product (hash oil) into Russia, got busted and they sent her to prison.

    A male prison.

    Just look at her Wiki photo and tell me that’s a natural woman.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittney_Griner

    Griner was eventually released after considerable pressure. I have my doubts a white player would have been released.

  10. There don’t seem to be any reliable sources for the claim that Brittney Griner was born male. She’s been a girl in all sports reporting since her high school days. I think if she were male she’d be more dominating in women’s basketball than she has been. Certainly she’s not very feminine in appearance. I suppose it’s possible, if anyone did DNA analysis, that she might be XXY or some such, but there’s no evidence for that.

  11. Kate:

    physicsguy’s point was that Griner was female-male trans. So lots of testosterone at a young age?

    There’s a video of her topless but so flat that the YouTube algo assumed she was male and didn’t flag the video.

    –“BRITTANY GRINER TOPLESS SHOOTING BASKETBALL IN POOL”
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NRXWdHxXje8

    I don’t know what the story is, but she sure doesn’t look like a natural woman.

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