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DeCarlos Brown and competence to stand trial — 15 Comments

  1. Miscarriage of justice or straight out aborting it. Brown is obviously screwed in the head and his mother admitted as much, but he is also a malevolent criminal in enough contact with reality to possess mens (as his mother outright said and tried to warn the world of before he murdered someone like she predicted he would), as shown by his boasting about killing Iryna based on her race and trying to get street cred. It shows acknowledgement that what he did was wrong, as does his approach.

    Even if he somehow had a severe psychotic episode now rendering him unfit for trial (and given his manipulative pattern of behavior that is quite the question) he should be remanded to custody for the rest of his life and never get out.

  2. He’s been before a judge 14 times previously, and his mental competence was never an issue. Why now?

  3. Arizona did away with M’Naughton rule. Now they have a “guilty but mentally ill” so as long as you are in the throws of mental illness you go to a hospital for the criminally insane. Once “well enough” it’s regular prison.

  4. Competence is obviously in the eye of the beholder. If you are sufficiently competent to wander around in public spaces armed to commit mayhem on your fellow travelers, you are bloody well competent enough to be punished or physically limited for your perfidy. Given that the System already deemed him sufficiently competent, either prosecute him as a Bad Actor and execute him or lock him up until either the lobotomy is complete or he dies. Declaring him incompetent and releasing him is not a solution outside what the family / friends of the deceased want to do in response. Cheers –

  5. In 1933, the U.S. was a serious country. On February 15 that year, Giuseppe Zangara (an Italian immigrant) attempted to kill President-elect Franklin Roosevelt in Miami. Instead Zangara’s bullets grievously wounded Chicago’s Mayor Anton Cermak, who was sitting in an open car with FDR, and also hit four bystanders in the crowd.

    A short time later, while Cermak was in the hospital, Zangara was convicted on four counts of attempted murder and sentenced to 80 years in prison. (Zangara didn’t contest the charges.)

    But then on March 6, Cermak succumbed to his wounds, whereupon Zangara was indicted for first-degree murder. He pleaded guilty and was executed in Florida’s electric chair on March 20, 1933.

    34 days between crimes and execution! But that’s when the U.S. was a serious country.

    Lesson for the DeCarlos Brown case: Whatever his mental state, he’s unfit to live among us, even in prison. (And as Thomas Sowell would remind us, even if someone is a lifer, as long as he’s alive some demented judge — or governor — might spring him.)

  6. Man, schizophrenia or not, I frankly do not care. He had a knife, it was on camera, there were dozens of witnesses, he kept saying he “got that white girl.” He is the equivalent of a rabid dog and he just needs to be put down. In a just society, they would have given him a trial the next morning, been found guilty by lunch, given an hour to make himself right with got, and then hanged before dinner.

  7. “In a just society, they would have given him a trial the next morning, been found guilty by lunch, given an hour to make himself right with got, and then hanged before dinner.”

    Bingo.

  8. Well said on the whole though frankly I think comparing him to a rabid dog is a disservice to the dog. Rabid animals and people are in the throes of a fatal condition and break down and lash out uncontrollably without any real malice or forethought. Brown isn’t like that. He’s obviously mentally ill, but he isn’t that mentally ill. He had enough awareness to conceal a weapon, select and stalk his target, murder her, and then boast about it for street cred using her race as his selling point. Say what you will about rabies, but it doesn’t cause behavior like that.

    A rabid dog like the original Cujo’s ultimately a victim that doesn’t mean to do what it does. Brown may be a victim to some degree but he clearly knew enough and did more than enough to forfeit leniency.

  9. This is a good explanation, Neo. Yes, I’ve seen some of the angry or incredulous posts.

    One additional point. If he cannot achieve competence to stand trial via medication or “competency training”, the court will need to evaluate the need for civil commitment. If he’s committed, there will be periodic reevaluations.

    Here’s the kicker. Neo’s comment includes a link to a summary of the SCOTUS case that defined the standard for competency to stand trial: whether the defendant has “sufficient present ability to consult with his lawyer with a reasonable degree of rational understanding” and a “rational as well as factual understanding of the proceedings against him.”

    The standard for ongoing civil commitment is different: If the person is no longer dangerous, they can’t remain civilly committed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Connor_v._Donaldson.

    Also, they can’t be held indefinitely due solely to incompetence to stand trial.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_v._Indiana

    The kicker: A civilly committed person could be found no longer dangerous thanks to the treatment and thus be required to be released but still not meet the standard for competence to stand trial.

    There is also the interplay of the fact that first-degree murder has no statute of limitations, and also the possibility that the court could at some point in a long civil commitment process dismiss the case with prejudice. Hopefully in any permutation common sense will prevail.

  10. I’d like to zoom out to the macro level for a moment.

    I once did some tedious calculations based on DOJ crime statistics. After normalizing the data by population sizes I concluded:

    The likelihood of a Black completing violence against a White is 82x higher than the other way around.

    The likelihood of a Black committing sexual assault against a White is more than 20,000x higher than the other way around.

    It’s a complicated matter, of course, but as far as I’m concerned, all the people who fan the grievances of blacks against whites are complicit in the violence of a DeCarlos Brown against the blonde, white Iryna Zarutska.

    Brown may be crazy, but I doubt he chose to attack Zarutska by pure random chance.

  11. I presume he’s perfectly competent to stand trial. How competent does that have to be, anyway?
    But if he did stand trial, what would come out that the locals would prefer remain covered?

  12. Huxley: “It’s a complicated matter, of course, but as far as I’m concerned, all the people who fan the grievances of blacks against whites are complicit in the violence of a DeCarlos Brown against the blonde, white Iryna Zarutska”

    Amen! Indeed! 100%!
    And “all the people” includes, of course, all the political figures who raise money and buy votes by race baiting.
    They should literally get jail time.

  13. After three attempted posts similar to huxley’s above were censored, my reaction is: Sad.

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