Well, it’s been a long time coming hasn’t it? But here we are at last, about to be treated (?) to a spectacle many thought would be highly unlikely to happen: Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump, the first debate.
I plan to watch as long as I can bear it. I have no idea how long that will be. My usual distaste for debates is compounded by my distaste for both participants, but offset at least somewhat by the hideous fascination of the thing.
A few observations. Despite their differences, Hillary and Trump share certain somewhat unusual characteristics for presidential candidates. To begin with, they’re both of a certain age, and that age is pretty old for the job. They’re both from the greater New York metropolitan area; Trump’s a native of the city and Hillary’s more of a latecomer to the region, but she’s been there a long long time now. I seem to recall that in recent decades the conventional wisdom has been that successful presidential candidates can’t come from New York, especially anywhere near the city; that heartland America just won’t tolerate it. Well, 2016 seems designed to upset conventional wisdom.
I was going to try to do a riff on the phrase “Thrilla in Manila” for the title of this post, using the location of the debate instead of “Manila” and then looking for a good rhyme. The debate’s being held at the Hofstra University’s David S. Mack Sports and Exhibition Complex on Long Island. “Hofstra” doesn’t really lend itself to rhymes (Kafka? Cosa Nostra? No, not quite). “Long Island” isn’t easy, either. This USA Today article does pretty well with “Smackdown at the Mack.” But it’s not exactly a rhyme, either. So I offer the rather weak sauce of “Yackety-Yak and Flak at the Mack.”
Later on in this thread I’ll try to liveblog the debate.
9:10 PM: It occurs to me once again, as the two come out and shake hands, that these people know each other. Not exactly friends, certainly not ex-lovers, but they know each other better and over a longer time than most presidential opponents ordinarily do.
They both have their game faces on.
9:20 PM Trump’s refrain seems to be “you’ve been thinking about this for 30 years, why haven’t you done more about it?”
9:23 PM The male/female dynamic presents an interesting balancing act for both of them. Trump has to be careful not to be too relentlessly browbeating, while Hillary has to not seem too schoolmarmy and defensive. Of course, they’re attempting to appeal to different constituencies, but there’s always that “undecided” group in the middle where elections are often decided.
Hillary calls on the fact-checkers. Recall that that was the meme du jour of the MSM.
9:33 PM Can they both lose?
I keep having to turn the sound off for a few minutes and then I turn it on again. Sorry, I just hate debates. Just looking at the visuals, right now she looks very smug, he looks serious.
9:55 PM I keep turning the sound off and on, but my strong impression is one I often get from debates (and one of the reasons I tend not to like them)—seems to me the winner is in the eye/ear of the beholder. I don’t see anything here that would change the mind of anyone who already favored either of these candidates. My gut feeling (right or wrong) is that most people, even the “undecideds,” are quite familiar with Hillary Clinton, and less familiar with Trump in his role as politician and would-be statesman. That means the bar for him is low. If he sounds reasonably intelligent and reasonably sane, I think he gains more than Hillary does by anything she can do in this debate.
10:30 PM Since I turned off the audio about twenty minutes ago, I thought I’d check up on the comments section of various blogs to see what people think of how it’s going. I had it in mind to go to a blog where the majority of commenters don’t lean one way or the other, but of course such a blog doesn’t exist. The only real way to tell how this debate has gone is in the post-debate polls. And then, whatever has happened in the polls, subsequent events will intervene which can change things.
What a long strange trip it’s been.
10:37 PM I’m not the least bit surprised at how well Hillary has held up. In the Democratic primaries, she debated Sanders for hours in several debates without flagging, and I saw no reason it should be any different here, engaged in the fight of her lifetime.