To quote a famous politician, “What difference does it make?”
He stipulated two reasons for vetoing the bill six months from now.
1. Chaotic way it was passed (giving members no time to read the 2,300 page bill.
2. no deal of DACA for wall funding.
I expect he will veto it if the next omnibus bill doesn’t include border wall– that would be concrete wall funding in exchange for a DACA resolution.
The bill will probably be cobbled together in the same late night, formerly cigar filled rooms as chaotic a process as this one– which he will rail against, but still sign.
Didn’t the GOPe promise to return to regular order once they controlled Congress? So much for their promises being worth spit.
I do think President Trump is more likely to keep his word than the yahoo’s running Congress.
And while I think he should have vetoed this bill, it did contain significant increase in spending for national defense.
Since politics is the art of the deal, I can see why he didn’t veto it.
As to the deficit spending, I’m willing to give the Trump’s plan to revitalize the economy some time to work. Ask me in a year if it indeed has increased GDP growth above the anemic 1-1.5% for the last 8 years. If it does maintain 3% growth, some of those deficits will disappear.
and as far as the tarrif thing..
he is making the worst case on his side show
china is showing it can do the same
they will talk and be heroes for solving the problem
china gets the requirement that it appears to win
he gets the outcome he wants
china gets to save face and clean up without admitting anything
[without such a thing, cleaning up or even trying to would be an admission of guilt, so they wont do that… period]
he has explained how this works many times
he has even told the world what you have to do to deal with the chinese (and he is right)
note…
did we have a nuclear war with kim II
or now is kimm II nicer, talking, cooperating more
you see
trump is showing them he doesnt make IDLE threats
but he also shows them, they have choices
and he removes and puts them in that place
by openly asserting the red line so that he cant go back
unless they cooperate..
they are between a rock and a hard place in saving HIS face
OR with complete understanding, see that unless they do act, he cant…
its LESS risky than giving the bully your lunch money
even more so when the bully is taking the money and mingin bit coin, collapsing your economy, training spies to steal technology, using stolen technology to copy our 5th generation fighters, using such technology to build new submarines, nuclear weapons, carrieer killing missiles…
the left does not want to realize that at some point, they will have enough and we will hate too litte that they will thin it safe to act.. just as in the past with russia and china.. nothing new here, no new spots is all i am saying… the leapard is still a leopard.
EVERY time they got to that point, bigger wars started
Soooo if you dont want to have that, you have to be more trouble to attack frontally
and dont think people matter..they dont.. if thye lost 2 billino people, a whole lot of their problems woudl be releived..
and they have enough people to conscript and feild a 30 millio man army… and unlike the west, resuppy with fertile births.
take the time to watch this video, and notice what is different about us AFTER WE STARTED TO SELF EXTERMINATE AND NOT HAVE CHILDREN…
TAKE A LOOK AT THE INFLOW
then imagine that that inflow has kids and is added to who is here… so why didnt the population explode? because the old residents decided to improve society and not have children.
given the demographic lags, by the time yuo can notice it easy in your anecdotal world, your alread extinct, just the last have to die out.
and the politics is such that OUR state cant do what the others did to save itself. stop abortion (russia found it harmful and ended it right away for their feminists in the 1920s)… stop free love (it was debasing women, destroying families, russia found it harmful and ended it right away for their feminists in the 1920s) help women have babies and pay for them (Which they just stopped and its falling again – they dont know what to do)
the whole point of the political movement was nthing that the women where thinking (as wili said, never let them know that these ideas are not their own!!!) – and made a situation appear natural that the dominant group whose religion believes and such would prevent them, as racists, from changing just as the slavics
and the whole idea was to repeat prague spring
where the people gave up tothe opposition believing the tenets
finding out they were fake for the point and not real
we will find out… and maybe shortly
if the larger countries think they can win in the long game
it dont matter how many die..
they are material, there is no god, and you can do what you want without morals, or anything other than the reward if you succeed.
such is the believe basis of that system. opposition for oppositions sake not any position
fight to fight, always take opposition
till there is no opposition and all the fight is gone
Nope. China has done f**k all in return. Next to zero.
Signing the omnibus bill. As somebody said elsewhere, “You don’t fight the battles you can’t win.”
NO.
Trum needs more political favors, so maybe some Congress critter will owe him later on. Back Scratching, pretty natural for District of Goddess Columbia stuff.
No.
I see he issued a transgender troop ban. Bet that is gone by morning.
I simply do not understand why there cannot be 8-10 smaller funding bills instead of one big bill for the budget process. Right now, the system is rigged so that big government and big spending wins every time.
There is a “fever” in Washington, where the swamp creatures are disconnected from reality. And it may be that the only way to break this “fever” is for President Trump to go full Trump.
I wonder what would happen if at the next looming government shutdown, Mr. Trump just vetoed any spending bill, and then at the same time fired Rosenstein and Mueller? Maybe we can get a return to sanity by forcing people to work harder and to focus on the essentials.
The budget process is badly broken. Once the comprehensive budget targets began to control the individual department budgets, it was inevitable that a) the political center of conflict would move to the overall budget, away from the various oversight committees, and b) every issue would become linked to every other issue.
Therefore, you can only fix a little tax problem like special incentives for grain sales to co-ops by offering up more subsidies for urban housing. It would be hard to find two issues with less connection. But politicians only have negotiating leverage if they can make this linkage, as opposed to allowing up and down votes on clean bills. In a highly polarized environment, when it is in the interest of one party to separate the issue (e.g. a specific appropriation for military spending), it is in the interest of the other party not to allow it.
PJ O’Rourke once said that allowing politicians to spend money is like giving whisky and the car keys to a teenager.
I was looking to contribute to an endangered House member but a quick check shows they all voted either for this monstrosity or the precursor budget vote. To quote the Soup Nazi, No contribution for you.
A list of the seats in the balance:
CA-10 Jeff Denham
CA-39 Ed Royce-retire
CA-45 Mimi Walters
GA-06 Karen Handel
IA-03 David Young
IL-12 Mike Bost
KS-02 Lynn Jenkins (Reliring)
KS-03 Kevin Yoder
KY-06 Andy Barr
ME-02 Bruce Poliquin
Ml 08 Mike Bishop
MN-03 Erik Paulsen
NJ-07 Leonard Lance
NY-22 Claudia Tenney
PA-06 Ryan Costello
PA-07 Patrick Meehan
PA-08 Brian Fitzpatrick
PA-15 Charlie Dent (Retiring)
PA-18 Tim Murphy (Resigned)
TX-23 Will Hurd
TX-32 Pete Sessions
UT-04 Mia Love
I allowed myself some optimism after Hillary lost but the Republicans have almost certainly guaranteed they will lose the House by stiffing the President on the border wall.
Sigh. Despair is a sin.
Yes, if there isn’t more money for the wall
No, I believe he’ll sign the next bill too, no matter how bad the deficit.
Maybe, so – if he thinks the Dem gov’t shutdown before the election in 2018 will be a Rep benefit. Despite most Reps thinking it will be a disaster for them — because the Dem Press will be blaming Reps and Trump.
Not even his Rep “friends” will really know what he will do; maybe he, today, doesn’t know what he’ll really do then, because of so many variables.
Maybe that’s always true with politicians, and all politician promises — but Trump has been far better on promises than other politicians, recently.
“We are still in the early days of Trump’s administration, but if history ultimately records it as a failure, his signing of the FY 2018 omnibus spending bill may well be seen as the turning point. And we haven’t even had a chance to grow tired of winning.”
Oh well. It is a gorgeous Spring day here in Silicon Valley, California. What care I the destruction that the Democrats are visiting on this beautiful place?
p.s. Some of the Trumpers on freerepublic.com still insist this is nine-dimensional chess. Note they have had to increase the dimension.
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To quote a famous politician, “What difference does it make?”
He stipulated two reasons for vetoing the bill six months from now.
1. Chaotic way it was passed (giving members no time to read the 2,300 page bill.
2. no deal of DACA for wall funding.
I expect he will veto it if the next omnibus bill doesn’t include border wall– that would be concrete wall funding in exchange for a DACA resolution.
The bill will probably be cobbled together in the same late night, formerly cigar filled rooms as chaotic a process as this one– which he will rail against, but still sign.
Didn’t the GOPe promise to return to regular order once they controlled Congress? So much for their promises being worth spit.
I do think President Trump is more likely to keep his word than the yahoo’s running Congress.
And while I think he should have vetoed this bill, it did contain significant increase in spending for national defense.
Since politics is the art of the deal, I can see why he didn’t veto it.
As to the deficit spending, I’m willing to give the Trump’s plan to revitalize the economy some time to work. Ask me in a year if it indeed has increased GDP growth above the anemic 1-1.5% for the last 8 years. If it does maintain 3% growth, some of those deficits will disappear.
and as far as the tarrif thing..
he is making the worst case on his side show
china is showing it can do the same
they will talk and be heroes for solving the problem
china gets the requirement that it appears to win
he gets the outcome he wants
china gets to save face and clean up without admitting anything
[without such a thing, cleaning up or even trying to would be an admission of guilt, so they wont do that… period]
he has explained how this works many times
he has even told the world what you have to do to deal with the chinese (and he is right)
note…
did we have a nuclear war with kim II
or now is kimm II nicer, talking, cooperating more
you see
trump is showing them he doesnt make IDLE threats
but he also shows them, they have choices
and he removes and puts them in that place
by openly asserting the red line so that he cant go back
unless they cooperate..
they are between a rock and a hard place in saving HIS face
OR with complete understanding, see that unless they do act, he cant…
its LESS risky than giving the bully your lunch money
even more so when the bully is taking the money and mingin bit coin, collapsing your economy, training spies to steal technology, using stolen technology to copy our 5th generation fighters, using such technology to build new submarines, nuclear weapons, carrieer killing missiles…
the left does not want to realize that at some point, they will have enough and we will hate too litte that they will thin it safe to act.. just as in the past with russia and china.. nothing new here, no new spots is all i am saying… the leapard is still a leopard.
EVERY time they got to that point, bigger wars started
Soooo if you dont want to have that, you have to be more trouble to attack frontally
and dont think people matter..they dont.. if thye lost 2 billino people, a whole lot of their problems woudl be releived..
and they have enough people to conscript and feild a 30 millio man army… and unlike the west, resuppy with fertile births.
take the time to watch this video, and notice what is different about us AFTER WE STARTED TO SELF EXTERMINATE AND NOT HAVE CHILDREN…
TAKE A LOOK AT THE INFLOW
then imagine that that inflow has kids and is added to who is here… so why didnt the population explode? because the old residents decided to improve society and not have children.
Here is Everyone Who Has Emigrated to the United States Since 1820
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiPq7C06zjQ
given the demographic lags, by the time yuo can notice it easy in your anecdotal world, your alread extinct, just the last have to die out.
and the politics is such that OUR state cant do what the others did to save itself. stop abortion (russia found it harmful and ended it right away for their feminists in the 1920s)… stop free love (it was debasing women, destroying families, russia found it harmful and ended it right away for their feminists in the 1920s) help women have babies and pay for them (Which they just stopped and its falling again – they dont know what to do)
the whole point of the political movement was nthing that the women where thinking (as wili said, never let them know that these ideas are not their own!!!) – and made a situation appear natural that the dominant group whose religion believes and such would prevent them, as racists, from changing just as the slavics
and the whole idea was to repeat prague spring
where the people gave up tothe opposition believing the tenets
finding out they were fake for the point and not real
we will find out… and maybe shortly
if the larger countries think they can win in the long game
it dont matter how many die..
they are material, there is no god, and you can do what you want without morals, or anything other than the reward if you succeed.
such is the believe basis of that system.
opposition for oppositions sake not any position
fight to fight, always take opposition
till there is no opposition and all the fight is gone
Nope. China has done f**k all in return. Next to zero.
Signing the omnibus bill. As somebody said elsewhere, “You don’t fight the battles you can’t win.”
NO.
Trum needs more political favors, so maybe some Congress critter will owe him later on. Back Scratching, pretty natural for District of Goddess Columbia stuff.
No.
I see he issued a transgender troop ban. Bet that is gone by morning.
I simply do not understand why there cannot be 8-10 smaller funding bills instead of one big bill for the budget process. Right now, the system is rigged so that big government and big spending wins every time.
There is a “fever” in Washington, where the swamp creatures are disconnected from reality. And it may be that the only way to break this “fever” is for President Trump to go full Trump.
I wonder what would happen if at the next looming government shutdown, Mr. Trump just vetoed any spending bill, and then at the same time fired Rosenstein and Mueller? Maybe we can get a return to sanity by forcing people to work harder and to focus on the essentials.
The budget process is badly broken. Once the comprehensive budget targets began to control the individual department budgets, it was inevitable that a) the political center of conflict would move to the overall budget, away from the various oversight committees, and b) every issue would become linked to every other issue.
Therefore, you can only fix a little tax problem like special incentives for grain sales to co-ops by offering up more subsidies for urban housing. It would be hard to find two issues with less connection. But politicians only have negotiating leverage if they can make this linkage, as opposed to allowing up and down votes on clean bills. In a highly polarized environment, when it is in the interest of one party to separate the issue (e.g. a specific appropriation for military spending), it is in the interest of the other party not to allow it.
PJ O’Rourke once said that allowing politicians to spend money is like giving whisky and the car keys to a teenager.
Read them and weep:
House Rollcall vote
Senate vote
I was looking to contribute to an endangered House member but a quick check shows they all voted either for this monstrosity or the precursor budget vote. To quote the Soup Nazi, No contribution for you.
A list of the seats in the balance:
CA-10 Jeff Denham
CA-39 Ed Royce-retire
CA-45 Mimi Walters
GA-06 Karen Handel
IA-03 David Young
IL-12 Mike Bost
KS-02 Lynn Jenkins (Reliring)
KS-03 Kevin Yoder
KY-06 Andy Barr
ME-02 Bruce Poliquin
Ml 08 Mike Bishop
MN-03 Erik Paulsen
NJ-07 Leonard Lance
NY-22 Claudia Tenney
PA-06 Ryan Costello
PA-07 Patrick Meehan
PA-08 Brian Fitzpatrick
PA-15 Charlie Dent (Retiring)
PA-18 Tim Murphy (Resigned)
TX-23 Will Hurd
TX-32 Pete Sessions
UT-04 Mia Love
I allowed myself some optimism after Hillary lost but the Republicans have almost certainly guaranteed they will lose the House by stiffing the President on the border wall.
Sigh. Despair is a sin.
Yes, if there isn’t more money for the wall
No, I believe he’ll sign the next bill too, no matter how bad the deficit.
Maybe, so – if he thinks the Dem gov’t shutdown before the election in 2018 will be a Rep benefit. Despite most Reps thinking it will be a disaster for them — because the Dem Press will be blaming Reps and Trump.
Not even his Rep “friends” will really know what he will do; maybe he, today, doesn’t know what he’ll really do then, because of so many variables.
Maybe that’s always true with politicians, and all politician promises — but Trump has been far better on promises than other politicians, recently.
John Hinderaker of Powerlineblog laments:
Trump Fought the Swamp, and the Swamp Won
“We are still in the early days of Trump’s administration, but if history ultimately records it as a failure, his signing of the FY 2018 omnibus spending bill may well be seen as the turning point. And we haven’t even had a chance to grow tired of winning.”
Oh well. It is a gorgeous Spring day here in Silicon Valley, California. What care I the destruction that the Democrats are visiting on this beautiful place?
p.s. Some of the Trumpers on freerepublic.com still insist this is nine-dimensional chess. Note they have had to increase the dimension.