ISIS and the Nazis: atrocities paraded and hidden
In connection with the ISIS beheading of American journalist James Foley, Ace points out something I’ve often thought:
As far as I know this is the first war where our enemies are so demonic that they proudly walk up to the camera and commit their atrocities as a commercial advertisement.
Even the Nazis exterminated the Jews in relative secret. (Not to claim that Germans didn’t know something bad was going on — just to say that even the Nazis realized such barbarity could not be carried out in the open.)
These people are true psychopaths.
It is true that the Nazis tried to hide their acts. But it’s not so much that the Nazis weren’t psychopaths; they were just playing to a different audience. As I wrote here, ISIS is appealing to would-be jihadis who are thrilled at the prospect of the most barbaric bloodshed. The ordinary citizens of Germany were a lot more easily shocked than that, although the Nazis were aware that they could get away with a lot if they took care to keep it mostly out of sight.
Also, the Nazis knew that they were up against a formidable enemy, the Allies, who were capable of strong and violent retaliation themselves, and who were not especially restrained by PC considerations. ISIS knows that the West has changed a great deal since then, and they are banking on us being the weak horse.
Lastly, although on the whole the terrorists of ISIS would probably rather live than die, they are not especially upset at the prospect of unleashing a violent backlash, because they figure it will lead to martyrdom and more martyrdom, and rewards in the world to come. At times the Germans of WWII talked about Gé¶tterdé¤mmerung—but unlike ISIS, they were not especially eager for it.
No fnording kidding and what just makes me want to bang my head against a wall is that leftists will *still* make excuses for them and explain why it’s All Really Our Fault.
Just heartsick about this, and what’s adding to it is the knowledge that the various lefties, including the Lefty-In-Chief, not only can’t but won’t acknowledge the evilness of this act and that evil of this magnitude has to be opposed. And to be opposed by something more than words. There’s real danger here *and they will not see it.* Which would be fine if it were only themselves they were endangering, but it’s not. It’s all of us.
“There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know”
That says what I think better than I can.
Why should they worry about parading their crimes like beheadings and enslaving women on the internet? They know the left has their back.
When you think about it, are the miscreants at ISIS any worse than the left when they have achieved their own totalitarian utopias? So far leftist governments have killed about 100,000,000 million innocent civilians and the body count continues. They have been even more proficient than Islam in mass murders. No wonder the left isn’t upset about ISIS crimes. They do the same thing.
And speaking of those who parade their atrocities, I was heartened to hear that YouTube has taken the video down. I hope that every trace of it is taken down or ignored by those in the West.
Deny them the attention they seek.
ALL ISIS Members need to be brought to sandy earthen temperatures. I want all of these pieces of butchering garbage dead as stone.
Or, am I being too insensitive?
You’re not a psychopath if you’re acting within the norms of your community. These guys have been brought up to believe and act this way. They are convinced they are following Allah, and they can’t be ‘cured’ or reasoned with. They must be exterminated.
Have you heard any stories about repentant jihadis?
Neo: “ISIS knows that the West has changed a great deal since then, and they are banking on us being the weak horse.”
A lot of people convinced that the undertaking of stopping evil is worse than evil.
Ace seems confused as to whether Hitler watched the death throes of his Valkyrie victims.
There is NO doubt. War production minister Speer witnessed some of the footage.
Being an SS production, Hitler and Himmler commonly topped off a night’s entertainment with such footage.
And it’s from such footage that Hitler heard from Hoepner’s lips that he deliberately sabotaged the drive on Leningrad while commanding Panzer Group Hoepner. (Barbarossa, 1941)
This is the source of Hitler’s tirade in “Downfall” which accurately portrays Adolf bitterly recounting how the his generals, from time to time, deliberately ruined his attempted conquest of the Red empire.
Hoepner had been trying — since 1938 — to assassinate Adolf. Towards that end, Hoepner spewed out crueler-than-thou Nazi agitprop during Barbarossa — at the exact same time he was trying to get Adolf to visit his HQ at the front. (!)
This has been almost universally misinterpreted to mean that Hoepner was on board with Adolf and the whole project.
He was running a complete con: is screeds were entirely against what he was pulling off.
1) He deliberately ran the Death’s Head SS Division into the ground. This was so obvious that it was the talk of the division — right then and there.
Von Manstein dances around some of the peculiar specifics in his chapter on the 56th Panzer Corps — which served directly underneath Hoepner during that advance.
Von Manstein was constantly unhappy with Hoepner’s priorities — wasted motion — and the grinding, unsupported battles that the Death’s Head Division was constantly getting into.
(For those unaware: the Death’s Head Division was entirely composed of SS cadres from the Death Camp system and its commanding general was also the commanding general of all of the Death Camps.)
Hoepner constantly delayed the advance on Leningrad — to such a point that his ENTIRE Panzer Group was pulled out of the line and re-vectored towards Moscow. All of this was happening with von Manstein constantly objecting. Hoepner throttled von Manstein by keeping his best units inside the XXXXI Panzer Corps.
If von Manstein had ever been given his head, Leningrad would’ve been snapped off by a deep penetration to the east — making it impossible for any Lake Ladoga convoys.
Only in his death throes did Hoepner let Adolf know how he REALLY felt about him.
The snuff film was the only way that Adolf would’ve come to know about Erich.
Erich Hoepner came to this sentiment when he found out that his own sister had been liquidated per Nazi policy. She was permanently disabled. (IIRC, on a mental)
Hoepner pulled EVERY trick in the book to get Adolf to review his panzer troops. Like Stauffenberg, he was a man of action. He wanted to finish Hitler right on the spot.
And, it’s not for nothing that he was right there with Stauffenberg at the moment of decision.
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As for ISIS, they can’t expect any more friendly press after this severance, with extreme prejudice.
The idea that any government is going to shift policy over a photographer is pretty rich.
What I don’t quite understand is why the condemned read off that agitprop. One would think that he’d deliberately muff it one way or another.
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For the record: the Einsatzgruppen (trigger-pullers) were largely composed as a penal formation. No-one volunteered for such duty. (This is in complete contrast to the ‘security troops’ that rounded up the victims. The round-up formations were composed of every imaginable formation, at one time or another. Famously, the entire Luxembourg army was used. (approximately 33 troops!)
One of the trigger-pullers was straight from the Heer. (Regular German army) He was caught drunk on duty. Foolishly he accepted the transfer to this (then obscure) SS outfit, not having a clue of what he was getting himself into.
Too late!
After the war, he recounted that he would have picked ten-years in the stockade, instead, if only he’d known.
As it was, he — and the rest of the trigger-pullers — stayed flat out blitzed on hard liquor for the duration. The boys had to be led to the shooting pits by someone sober. The nightmares were so bad that suicide was so common that pistols were kept away from the boys during their off hours.
The other penal aspect: the very first to go back home on leave let the cat out of the bag. Post Traumatic Shock had them blabbing out all of the dirty deeds to priests, parents, girl friends. The Gestapo moved in and packed them off to Russia. From that point on, the boys could not get leave to save their souls.
So, yeah, the Nazis didn’t want their project to get public in a big way.
Famously, the SD had to run around confiscating cameras in Russia. Because of pervasive military censorship, it proved possible to stuff the cat back into the bag. German civilian witnesses (yet Nazi party officials) were also easy to control. No-one wanted to find out that THEY were standing in the wrong line.
But the end game is revealing: the SD returned to exhume all of the victims so as to burn the evidence. Treblinka and Sobibor were erased. The fuller intention was to erase every death camp — except Auschwitz. It was being kept open to the last.
Near as one can figure, the Nazis intended to shift over from Jews to Poles. This would repeat the sequence seen at Warsaw. The second effort would REALLY scale up, perhaps 10,000,000 victims per year at Auschwitz.
And all to be kept on the QT and the down-low.
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So ISIS really is something new, PR wise, under the Moon.
Al-Baghdadi might actually connect with Fisk; who I nominate as Fleet Street’s international contact and go-between.
It’s as if they are using David Grossman’s concept in his book, which is to use war atrocities as a kind of psychological warfare weapon. Although those things can backfire, harden the will of their enemies. In fact, it probably already has. Maybe it would have weakened us here in 2002 due to Iraq or 9/11, but there’s been a lot going on after that to “harden” people to military and terrorist realities.
Of course the Democrat zombies are still mush, don’t expect anything stiff or hard from them. They lack a spine and a Will. Not to mention a soul which they sold for some ObamaCare peanuts.
Muslims are more depraved than Nazis. That says a lot.
blert: “What I don’t quite understand is why the condemned read off that agitprop. One would think that he’d deliberately muff it one way or another.”
Why would you think that? He’s been kidnapped for 2 years. I’m sure they have a lot of ways to compel his obedience. Maybe they held out hope to him that he would not be killed. Maybe, with the Westerners in ISIS, they threatened his family and friends.
Eric:
They may have told him he would die very slowly and painfully if he didn’t read it. He was totally under their control and at their mercy.
I’m not overly worried about the amount of killing that’s going to have to be done.
Evil is evil…this is how you deal with it.
Civilization was a nice vacation.
KBK:
These are not the norms of their community.
I have been around for many many decades, since mid-20th century, and this behavior is quite recent.
Yes, there was violence, but it was more governmental (Saddam Hussein’s torture rooms). Yes, there was terrorism, but it was more conventional as well (bombings, assassinations). There were isolated instances of barbarism like the Ramallah mutilations of 2000, but that was a recent phenomenon. Until 2001 and after, terrorists did not behead people and use the videos for propaganda. A few Muslim countries publicly behead people as punishment, but that was done by the government, and is only done in the countries of Iran (rarely, and only since 1990 in modern times; much more often their executions are by hanging or stoning), and in Saudi Arabia.
So none of this is the norms of the community.
Extremist Islam is like a recurring infection that flares up from time to time.
A good book (that I listened to on audio tape/CD) was “Hatred’s Kingdom” by Dore Gold. It chronicled the periodic waves of Islamism since the beginning.
Of particular interest is the way in which previous episodes were dealt with, e.g. by the British.
Needless to say, these were dealt with in a manner that might be shocking to modern sensibilities.
I’m not so sure that is so Matthew. However …
Islam seems to be something of a regression to an archaic pre-Judaeo/Christian culture akin to the Pagan Roman imperial culture, which similarly broadcast, celebrated and memorialized its war crimes and savagery against conquered peoples. Celebrated war crimes validated and legitimized Roman rule and unified pagan Roman society. See In Search of Paul: How Jesus’ Apostle Opposed Rome’s Empire with God’s Kingdom
Nazism is a post-Christian religion of sorts.
I think we expect people in the Islamic world to think and react much the way we expect our neighbors and family to think and react. Often we underestimate the impact of three to fourth millennium of Judaeo/Christian tutoring upon our culture and persons. The genius of Nietzsche is that he understood the impact of Judaeo/Christian empathy for the victim upon our culture.
Hitler never visited the concentration camps. He said he was afraid that his Ubermenchen resolve might be weakened (by empathy I expect). The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, had no such misgivings. He visited at concentration camp Oranienburg and was pleased by what he saw.
Churchill was correct. Islam is the most retrograde thing on Earth.
Neo
Historical historical descriptions and survivor photos of the 1929 Hebron Massacre and these celebratory photos of ISIS atrocities against Christians in Syria and Iraq seem to reflect much the same vile behavior. There are accounts of comparable atrocities during the Armenian, Aramean (Syriacs) and Chaldean genocides of 1915-18 and the Hamidian massacres of 1894-96.
One of the things I always found interesting about the Nazi leaders and the Final Solution is that while they believed what they were doing was right, and they believed they were going to win the war and rule for a thousand years, they did everything they could to hide their involvement and avoid leaving a paper trail.
The beheading is heartbreaking and entirely predictable. ISIS has been very clear in their intentions to bring their jihad to Americans and America.
Regarding Foley’s behavior, some have speculated that he may have been forced to do this routine more than once as a mock beheading (psychological torture), so he may not have known that this time it was actually happening.
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Richard Fernandez wrote a great post on ISIS called “A Ringside Seat to Our Own Destruction.” In the comments he enters a discussion on Hell and makes the following point about the nature of ISIS’ evil:
“I don’t think there are any doors to hell. People go there out of choice and stay there because they want to. People get addicted to evil. ISIS, like the SS or the NKVD, or de Sade for that matter gets bored by merely killing. They need more and more barbarous cruelties to get the same buzz. The same is true apparently for pornography.
It’s like entering a cave. For a long time you can see the light of entrance behind you. But after a while you go so deep it is all dark. The worst of it is you both hate it and like it. And you long for the pleasures of the dark.”
I think his likening ISIS violence to pornography is spot on. These guys are addicted to the thrill of power it provides them and they have to keep pushing the boundaries to continue feeling pleasure from it. The social media seems to enhance their enjoyment, as it allows them the opportunity to not only to share it, but for them to relive it. They are a murder cult and will continue until they are stopped.
John Podhoretz on Twitter an hour ago:
To die like that. Not just the manner. But in that red gown. In the sand. This is a time you really wish there is a Heaven. And a Hell.
Please don’t forget those nice communists, whose crimes are still hidden and will remain hidden, in plain sight so to speak, mainly because the “world” isn’t really interested in those crimes and its victims.
And don’t forget all those western fellow travelers who also couldn’t be less interested in the crimes of communism and who weren’t (and still aren’t) troubled by their complicity in them.
In fact, come to think of it, it’s those fellow travelers who are mainly responsible for the situation today (even though some of them were hit on the head with the events of 9/11) and who have been for example ISIS enablers from the start by their “moral relativism” (among other things), just as they were enablers for the nazis when the Hitler-Stalin pact was in force.
Re Podhoretz:
Fortunately there are both.
Mike O’Malley:
There are some atrocities in all wars. That’s not the same as a behavior being the norm in the community in which you are raised. That was the point I was refuting.
And by the way, although I haven’t seen the video and do not plan to, I read that the executioner has a British accent. So much for being raised in any Middle Eastern community—it seems he may have been one of those Western jihadis we’ve heard so much about.
It seems to me that the West’s response should be two fold. Externally we should make up our minds and either withdraw or kill them all.
Internally, as far as England is concerned, we should just apply the laws we already have. For instance, someone standing with a placard saying kill the Jews is inciting religious hatred. Arrest him. Even if he is acquitted he is going to be very busy getting acquitted.
Beheading may not at any given time be the norm, but for moslems it has had deeply held significance from the very start, the brutal beheading of the quarashi Jews for one event, not to mention others.
Having read the Robert Spencer canon (and Spencer’s books are very judicious and impeccably factual) I have to believe that beheading is a central glorious symbol to moslems everywhere and at all times, regardless whether active jihad beheading is currently at the forefront.
Evil people get away with whatever they can get away with and are really good at calculating the risk. Nazis, jihadis, Leftists, it is in their nature.
Why did they do something or not do something? Whatever advances the cause … change the norm when it can be changed without harm to the cause. The rest of us can puzzle over whether they made the right calculation from their pov at any given time.
blert, ty for your fascinating post.
All my life I was with everyone else thinking reference to Hitler and nazis in a political discussion was lame and maybe childish.
Now I believe it is essential and necessary to understanding the time we are in.
And if I can add, evil people always think they are smarter than the rest of us, not the least of which because of their often justified belief that they are pulling something over on us.
I think BO derives pleasure from the thought.
And there is nobody to stand up to these people. The Kurds lack the fire power and motivation, the Iraqi army is an oxymoron, the US military exists to mollify Obama’s critics (a few dozen airstrikes, against an army?).
There is one positive aspect of all this. This is the crisis everyone with a brain was predicting from Obama’s election, the one in which he shows his undeniable lack of leadership ability so thoroughly that even LIVs may notice. Unfortunately this is also the crisis predicted in which he gets a lot of people killed.
Final clarification, by crisis I do not mean the ISIS war in Iraq, rather their upcoming attacks in the US.
Tonawanda: “All my life I was with everyone else thinking reference to Hitler and nazis in a political discussion was lame and maybe childish.
Now I believe it is essential and necessary to understanding the time we are in.”
Less to understand evil, I think, than to understand what is needed from us to defeat and stop evil.
backofanenvelope Says:
“It seems to me that the West’s response should be two fold. Externally we should make up our minds and either withdraw or kill them all.”
When COIN became the operative military approach, it became clear to me that what needed to be done, would never be done. In June 2012, we picked our son up from Camp Pendleton upon his return from Afghanistan. He was there helping to oversee the equipment return. Millions and millions of $$ worth of equipment was unaccounted for. The weekend he returned an officer was killed where our son was stationed and we suffered the largest loss of military equipment since the Vietnam war–the handiwork of one of those we armed and were training. Few know that under this administration there have been more military casualties in Afghanistan than under President Bush. They are not serious, but neither is the voting public. I disagree with Carl in Atlanta–I watched the Daniel Pearl beheading and I have never wavered from understanding what kind of enemy we are actually facing. The American populace is the ostrich with the head in the sand. They need to wake up and deal with reality.
Eric @ 10:17 AM: beyond the specifics of any political ideology and more importantly is the eternal human behavior.
It is amazing how many non-Germanic folks fell for Hitler based on the perfect crease in his trousers and his ability to whistle an entire opera from heart.
There seemed to be many more of those than the rare persons who saw Hitler for who he was.
And the question is, what do we need to do to defeat and stop evil.
Threads on this site have already discussed at least the start or basis of the answer, and that also refers to eternal human nature.
I watched the Daniel Pearl beheading and I have never wavered from understanding what kind of enemy we are actually facing.
People I know use CCTV footage of criminals on a rampage to prepare oneself mentally for the onslaught, as well as develop techniques and applications based more on reality and less on fantasy (like politics). After watching a few killer videos and beheadings, it’s much harder for your family, your Democrat friends, or your social media personas to “Convince” you that you are wrong. Because there’s a very strong visceral experience you can remember that says differently.
Ymarsakar–August 2008 I’m standing in the 2-person line at the airport in Monterey CA, heading home to LA with my husband. We spent the weekend with our daughter’s in-laws–the husband fully engaged in seeing to it that a Democrat doesn’t win the next election. I put on the McCain button that he gave me. The woman behind me (a liberal, in her 40’s) starts taunting me. My husband likes to avoid any public scenes so in deference to his discomfort, I was willing to let it go–but she wouldn’t. When she got to the point of referencing “the war on terror” with sarcasm, I turned around and said, “I watched the Daniel Pearl beheading. Did you?” After the pause, I said, “I didn’t think so or you wouldn’t deny that terrorists exist and are a threat to western culture.” That pretty much put an end to her unprovoked engagement with me. That November, when we met again at Thanksgiving, and Roy led the prayer before the meal, he cried for our country.
Insensitive? No. But I think turning them into red mist is a far superior solution to the ISIS question.
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Walid Shoebat. But there are not a whole lot of them, that’s for sure.
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As for why Foley read the statement, I read a good theory on that. It’s quite possible that he was led into the desert many times and threatened with execution if he did not do/read what they told him to do/read. Psychological torture. He probably felt more comfortable with these little trips as time went on as he was still alive after two years.
When our son graduated the MSG program, we went to the ceremony in Quantico and Rocky Sickmann was the guest speaker. He was in Tehran 1 week when the takeover happened. There was an MSG that arrived the night before. We spoke with him after and he told us the episodes of being blindfolded and set up for execution (scene in Argo) happened repeatedly.
NEO:
The Americans were not so smart, as they openly called for similar things with the eugenics movement which became the feminist movement to hide it. Then once hidden, no woman would let them assail the curtain to see what was behind it.
Prior to the war, they were very open, then when they saw how the public reacted to their ideas, they scrambled to hide such things, but NOT to stop it — it was and is critical to their power to remove the kind of people who want the kind of society that is common in western Caucasian countries, and replace that with the norm — despotic, nepotistic, and so on.
Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need … We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock.
Ernst Rudin, Birth Control Review, April 1933
Birth Control Review, was Margaret Sanger newsletter, Just as “Lucifer the Lightbearer” was by Moses Harman (Father of Lillian Harman). After 24 years in production, Lucifer ceased publication in 1907 and became the more scholarly American Journal of Eugenics. You can see that one as a free ebook from google…
especially “why I oppose institutional marriage” and ESPECIALLY “what eugenics stands for” which starts off with “Of course I need not say that the fundamental principal of Eugenics is the abolition of monogamy” The league evolved into the American Secular Union around 1885.. Colonel Robert Green Ingersoll (1833-1899) served as its first president (more after the next point) (does ingersoll rand strike a bell? and the Rand corporation did what to change society?)
Both he and Sanger are feminist progressive heroes!!!
His paper: Originally produced by a local branch of the National Liberal League as the Valley Falls Liberal (1880—1883), Harman changed the title after he assumed sole editorship in 1883
(and women wonder why they don’t have babies!)
And…
Ernst Ré¼din was a Swiss psychiatrist, geneticist and eugenicist. Ré¼din was born in St. Gallen, Switzerland. He is known as one of the fathers of racial hygiene.
You can read the newsletter in question here: [A REAL EYE OPENER]
http://birthcontrolreview.net/Birth%20Control%20Review/1933-04%20April.pdf
The American Secular Union and Freethought Federation dedicated themselves to the separation of church and state, and for its platform used the nine demands of liberalism
So is it any wonder that feminists are fascists, which is also socialist, and they follow the ideas that inspired hitler, rudin, and the final solution? Not at all if you know the history. There is no question of what is going on today, stems from then, as the points are exactly the same as before, if not as open as neo points out.
America is the source of Nazi ideology, and its women in America that kept it alive, and empowered it with feminism… while followers may not know what they are a part of, Helen Thomas a hero of feminists was caught saying what about jews?
the core of the Nazi came from the US..
and the progressives preserved it and slowly steeped the kids into it… they hope that blacks will be exterminated, as well as the religious, and others… for they have extensively written that such people would not just disappear.
which is why engels called for the holocaust, but the term did not exist yet… it was conflagration until some jewish intellectuals wishing to save the ideas, coined a new phrase which burried the old quotes.
Nine demands of liberalism:
That churches and other ecclesiastical property shall be no longer exempt from taxation;
That the employment of chaplains in the United States Congress, in state legislatures in the United States Army and United States Navy, and in prisons, asylums, and all institutions supported by public money, shall be discontinued, and that all religious services maintained by national, state, or municipal governments shall be abolished;
That all public appropriations for educational and charitable institutions of a sectarian character shall cease;
That, while advocating the loftiest instruction in morals and the inculcation of the strictest uprightness of conduct, religious teaching and the use of the Bible for religious purposes in public schools shall be prohibited;
That the appointment by the President of the United States and the governors of the various states of religious festivals, fasts, and days of prayer and thanksgiving shall be discontinued;
That the theological oath in the courts and in other departments of government shall be abolished, and simple affirmation under the pains and penalties of perjury, established in its stead;
That all laws directly or indirectly enforcing in any degree the religious and theological dogma of Sunday or Sabbath observance shall be repealed;
That all laws looking to the enforcement of Christian morality as such shall be abrogated, and that all laws shall be conformed to the requirements of natural morality, equal rights and impartial justice;
That, in harmony with the Constitution of the United States and the constitutions of the several states, no special privileges or advantages shall be conceded to Christianity or any other religion; that our entire political system shall be conducted and administered on a purely secular basis; and that whatever changes are necessary to this end shall be consistently, unflinchingly, and promptly made.
Blogger Bookworm had a great post about the attraction Islam holds for violence – all types of violence. It includes this quote from her cousin, a prison chaplain:
“It is not a contradiction to be a Muslim and a murderer, even a mass murderer. That is one reason why criminals “convert” to Islam in prison. They don’t convert at all; they similarly [sic] remain the angry judgmental vicious beings they always have been. They simply add “religious” diatribes to their personal invective. Islam does not inspire a crisis of conscience, just inspirations to outrage.”
because unlike other religions, Mohammed specifically gave his followers license to murder and kill.
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/07/09/islamofascism-as-the-nihilist-sinkhole/
they are not especially upset at the prospect of unleashing a violent backlash, because they figure it will lead to martyrdom and more martyrdom, and rewards in the world to come
you seem to not be able to detect BS when you hear it, and not understand what followers are led to believe while leaders believe someting else entirely..
kind of silly…
probably why you dont understand that feminism and all that is the same deal as ISIS… which is why they dont oppose each others… ie. leaders are on the same page, followers get different missives to motivate them…
duh
May the leader lie in order to increase the motivation?
Pierre Casse is Professor of Leadership at the Moscow School of Management SKOLKOVO, Dean Emeritus of the Berlin School of Creative Leadership (Germany).
they promise the women, freedom from periods, mates, children, and even buying birth control and tampons… whatever the morons will accept in trade for their following and loyally fighting their own
the leaders do not believe…
they are USING people to reach ends
if they paid followers, society would have proof of their army
if they lie to them, they get an army for free of useful idiots that people believe is a social movement.
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Lizzy
a famous quote that came from such people when asked why they do it… they say, this is the only way a perosn like me can go to heaven…
But Lizzy Mo’ started with CRIMINALS, himself.
It was always and ever crime-centric.
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Art
You might want to dig into Wilson’s PhD thesis paper. It reads like the Nazi Constitution — racial pride, wise.
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I have concluded that the knife slitting of human victims is a part of de-humanizing them — of treating them very much in the ritual style of halal butchery.
Halal is a parody of Kosher practice.
It is highly significant that Muslim executions ALWAYS invoke the name of Allah, for the same injunction holds for halal animal slaughter.
Wiki
“Animals killed … without Allah’s name being pronounced in their killing…
Animals slaughtered in the name of anyone but “Allah”.
[ Alternate religious customs ruin foodstuffs for Muslims. Ed]
An animal [think human] that has been strangled, [think hanged] beaten (to death), killed by a fall, [think hanged] electrocution, …” [virtually ALL Western livestock is put down via electro-shock or by a blow to the skull, also against Islamic strictures. Ed]
Further, Muslims are entirely hung up about the blood of the dead. In animals it has to be promptly drained. There is nothing novel about that. Coagulated blood makes any meat horrific to the taste. Kosher slaughter specifies — in detail — that all blood be drained from the animal.
Where this comes in to play is the Islamic requirement that the head of the deceased be promptly drained of blood. This is why the severed head is ALWAYS plopped, just so, right on the cadaver.
It, in turn, is always laid dead flat, so that the blood leaks out into the sand. (Islamic rules presuppose that sand is everywhere to hand. Go figure.)
This latter point can often be a ‘tell’ that you’re dealing with a literalist fanatic. For such a player will be sure to lay in a stock of clean sand so that it’s available, ready to hand.
Example: should the water supply get cut off for ANY reason, a Muslim would want (clean) sand for his abolutions — which are required constantly through the day.
Example: wet dreams. Abolution required on the spot.
Example: daily prayer. Abolution required prior to each.
There is no ‘out’ for devout Muslims. Admittedly, in the First World fresh clean water is ready to hand. But, you just never know.
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So, the upshot is that hanging criminals is un-Islamic. Most imams would consider such a soul to be unable to enter Islamic paradise.
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When Mo’ set up his strictures he was in 7th Century Arabia… a cultural fossil.
This is why Islam maps almost perfectly to universal Neolithic cultural norms. Fossilization has endured for 12,000 years not 1,200 years.
I give you Afghanistan. Without metallic imports, the entire zone would be in the stone age.
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That’s also a perfect description of Blackest Africa.
This entirely explains many of the social/ group behaviors seen these days in Ferguson, MO.
In an r-selected society, a nuclear family has no meaning. Every bond vectors off to the clan/ tribe/ nation/ race.
The bastardy of the American ghetto maps 1:1 to the r-selected clan loyalties seen across Black Africa.
Likewise, the social action of the clan is everything. Personal initiative has essentially no meaning.
Even wild animals (male lions) have to do things as teams.
If a young Black stud wants reproductive success — it must come when all of his closest buddies are getting theirs, too.
(Shades of the Sabine women!)
Such ticks are deeper than culture: they’re embedded in human DNA.
There is a logic to what they do, unfortunately. The sheer barbarism is meant to cower their opponents in Iraq and Syria, and it appears to be very successful.
blert:
If you look at descriptions of halal slaughter the head is not severed. The throat is cut and the blood drained, but the spinal cord must remain intact. I’m not sure where you’re getting your information.
Artfldgr:
Again I believe you are misunderstanding my meaning.
I’m not talking about the leaders themselves seeking martyrdom. They don’t, although they understand it might happen to them. But they are using the fact that the Muslim population has a belief that martyrdom is a good thing, and counting on the willingness of a certain proportion of the public to be willing to undergo it (or even to volunteer for it, in the case of suicide bombers). The West does not have such an attitude.
blert
do a bit of research… understand the mind of the other
do i have to quote tsun tsu? (stop reading Sun Stew, he isnt that good)
beheading is considered humane
what they are doing is actually against the Koran, in that they cut the front of the throat first, and its supposed to be the back.
5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”
and execution shouold be by beheading with a sharp instrument, and from the back of the neck not the front
8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”
47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens
9:123: “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.
2:191- “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.
5: 45– “We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear. Toth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.
9:29- “Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day… and fight People of the Book, who do not accept the religion of truth until they pay tribute by hand, being inferior.”
[they see welfare as a form of Zizziya]
8:17-It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..
take some time to read
“Sirat A, Rasul” page 464
and
Sahi Buchari Hadiths #143, page-700
in the war of Khaiber after the inhabitants of Banu Qurayza was surrendered, Allah’s apostle killed all the able/adult men, and he took all women and children as captives Among the captives Rayhana a beautiful young Jewish girl was taken by Allah’s Apostle as booty whom He married after freeing her and her freedom was her Mohr.”
I can’t help thinking of Daniel Pearl’s last words: “I am a Jew. My mother is a Jew. My father is a Jew.” Or Fabrizio Quattrocchi: “I’ll show you how an Italian dies!”
Islam has been at war with the West since 650. We’ve had a nice 350-year hiatus since the Gates of Vienna, but now they’re back full force. My only hope is that we can hold out for another 2 1/2 years and then elect a Reagan.
“Sharon W”
Good job putting the fanatic in her place. Many of them spout off nonsense because that’s their way of proselytizing their faith. But they aren’t nearly as polite about it as the Mormons and Witnesses.
Showing her that you aren’t an easy target and have an equal strength of belief, or a stronger one, generally makes people re-evaluate you.
All my life I was with everyone else thinking reference to Hitler and nazis in a political discussion was lame and maybe childish.
Now I believe it is essential and necessary to understanding the time we are in.
Most people didn’t understand much of anything about the Nazis. They were repeating programmed agit prop the Soviets developed, with the aid of Roosevelt. They knew nothing about the Soviet-Nazi pact. They knew nothing about the division of Poland.
These days because people are either being Nazis or facing them personally, it’s much easier to now talk about stuff people understand. Because they are doing it now, they can understand what people did back then too.
Dear ISIS // ALL ISIS Members: Say Fuel-Air Explosives. Again. Goooood. Were President Bush still in-charge they’d be raining on you in abundance.
Sharon W: “When COIN became the operative military approach, it became clear to me that what needed to be done, would never be done.”
It seems to me that COIN OIF is different than COIN OEF. COIN OIF was building peace through strength – security, stability, and the dominant control to define the peace on our terms.
COIN OIF involved an aggressive spread of US forces among the populace, turning them to our side, and together, killing a lot of terrorists.
COIN OEF seems to involve a lot of shrink back, separating from the locals, and leaving terrorists to build for our departure and define the peace on their terms.
Late to the discussion, but what the hell. All we need to discuss is how to kill them and their families one by one.
Yes, and thank you for posting about the Iraqi TV commentator crying about ISIS’s mistreatment of Iraqi Christians.
I feel moved to add that hideous genocidal behavior is not limited strictly to wartime and certainly not to Muslim societies. The English behaved similarly in Catholic Ireland during the Elizabethan, Cromwellian and post Cromwellian periods. The English even engaged in mass terroristic beheadings of Catholic Irish populations, men women and children on no few occasion. Of course there is the example of the French Revolution with the Terror and the anti-Catholic genocide in Vendee. One could go on however in this case with ISIS in Iraq one has to wonder whether the behavior is characteristic of societies informed by Sharia. Lynching Blacks in the Jim Crowe South was not the norm either however lynching was characteristic of the pre-civil rights South and imbedded in a normative culture of racism and general mistreatment of African Americans. Andrew Bostom has posted a report about the participation local Sunni tribes in acts of genocide with ISIS against religious minority populations in Iraq that could have been written a century ago.
“Also, the Nazis knew that they were up against a formidable enemy, the Allies, who were capable of strong and violent retaliation themselves, and who were not especially restrained by PC considerations.”
I don’t think that today society, as a whole, is any more restrained by PC considerations when faced with mass atrocities. That’s why the western press goes to such great lengths to prevent their citizens from seeing radical Islamists like ISIS as they truly are. They’re afraid that if we saw the unvarnished truth we’d panic and lash out like slow children. We might do something uncivilized like having unkind thoughts about people who celebrate beheadings. And then, as they’ll tell you at every opportunity, We’d Be Just As Bad As Them.
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