And the Kirk assassination-related news keeps coming and coming and coming
So fast and furious it’s hard to keep up. But here’s some of it.
(1) There’s no reason to trust a person’s enemies to represent that person’s words fairly. The Kirk-hating forces – and they are legion, it turns out – twist his words and thought to characterize him as a vicious hater who deserved what he got, and I think most people predisposed to dislike him take their word for it. But for those who check it out by watching videos or reading fair accounts, the truth emerges. See this, for example, for his 2nd amendment position. I fervently hope more people actually watch the many videos he left behind, and realize for themselves how much he’s being lied about.
(2) Remember that old guy in the crowd at the Utah venue, the one who was quickly tackled to the ground, taken into custody, and then released? Doesn’t seem to have known Robinson – at least, there’s nothing so far to indicate it, although I have to say that all bets are off at this point. But his story is far more pernicious than originally reported, although I read some rumor of it earlier:
George Zinn, 71, sparked confusion in the moments after gunshots rang out on Utah Valley University’s campus last week when police said he approached an officer and yelled, “I shot him, now shoot me,” according to a probable cause affidavit obtained by Fox News. …
After Kirk was shot and Zinn claimed to be the shooter, according to the document, the officer did not observe Zinn carrying a weapon, but ultimately arrested him after he yelled, “I shot him, now shoot me,” again.
When asked where his weapon was hidden, Zinn allegedly refused to tell the officer, who performed a search and was still unable to locate a gun.
According to police, Zinn continued to claim that he shot Kirk as he was being led away in handcuffs, while telling the officer to “just shoot him.”
His arrest led to confusion in the crucial minutes immediately following the shooting, with videos of Zinn being taken away in handcuffs circulating online with false claims that the perpetrator had been captured.
Once Zinn arrived at the police department, he reportedly walked back his admission that he shot Kirk and asked for an attorney. While being questioned by authorities, who relayed to Zinn that they did not believe he was the real shooter, he allegedly admitted to making the false claims to “to draw attention from the real shooter.”
Zinn was subsequently transported to a local hospital to receive medical attention, where he later added he “wanted to be a martyr for the person who was shot,” police said.
Martyr for the person shot, or more likely for the shooter? Is this guy suicidal? Or did he want to be shot in order to spark a backlash against police brutality? And if he didn’t know in advance about the shooter’s plans, can you imagine having – as your first and immediate response to seeing someone’s neck being blown away in front of you – to run interference for the killer? What an extraordinary degree of hatred.
Oh, and also this, just to complete the picture:
Upon being taken into custody, authorities performed a search of Zinn’s phone, which allegedly revealed images of child pornography, according to police. Zinn was subsequently taken into custody and booked into the Utah County Jail on four counts of sexual exploitation of a minor and one count of obstruction of justice, according to authorities.
(3) There’s no doubt at this point that Robinson and his trans roommate were lovers. There’s a lengthy written record you can find here, in which he confesses to the roommate and calls him “my love.” It’s a curious back and forth which either is really the first time the roommate-lover learns about Robinson’s guilt, or it’s a pretense, a way to try to absolve the roommate of guilt by creating evidence he had no foreknowledge. It’s a very weird document, as you might expect. Here it is; it begins just after Robinson has directed the roommate to a note he left, a confession:
Robinson: I am still ok my love, but am stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn’t be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still. To be honest I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you.
Twiggs: You weren’t the one who did it, right????
Robinson: I am, I’m sorry.
Twiggs: I thought they caught the person?
Robinson: No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It’s quiet, almost enough to get out, but there’s one vehicle lingering.
Twiggs: Why?
Robinson: Why did I do it?
Twiggs: Yeah.
Robinson: I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully they have moved on. I haven’t seen anything about them finding it.
Twiggs: How long have you been planning this?
Robinson: A bit over a week I believe. I can get close to it but there is a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don’t wanna chance it.
Robinson: I’m wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle. I’m worried what my old man would do if I didn’t bring back grandpa’s rifle. Idek if it had a serial number, but it wouldn’t trace to me. I worry about prints. I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. Didn’t have the ability or time to bring it with.
Robinson: I might have to abandon it and hope they don’t find prints. How the fuck will I explain losing it to my old man… Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel.
Robinson: Remember how I was engraving bullets? The fuckin messages are mostly a big meme. If I see “notices bulge uwu” on Fox News I might have a stroke.
Robinson: Alright I’m gonna have to leave it. That really fucking sucks.
Robinson: Judging from today I’d say grandpa’s gun does just fine idk. I think that was a $2k scope ;-;
Robinson: Delete this exchange.
Robinson: My dad wants photos of the rifle… he says grandpa wants to know who has what, the feds released a photo of the rifle, and it is very unique. He’s calling me rn, not answering.
Robinson: Since Trump got into office, [my dad] has been pretty diehard MAGA.
Robinson: I’m gonna turn myself in willingly. One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff.
Robinson: You are all I worry about love.
Twiggs: I’m much more worried about you.
Robinson: Don’t talk to the media please. Don’t take any interviews or make any comments. If any police ask you questions ask for a lawyer and stay silent.
Clears up the question of how he got the rifle.
(4) But some people seem quite touched by that exchange. An example:
ABC’s Matt Gutman says he’s not sure “if we have seen an alleged murder with such specific text messages” that were “very touching, in a way, that I think many of us didn’t expect — a very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect’s roommate and the suspect himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate, who is transitioning, calling him ‘my love.’ And ‘I want to protect you, my love.’”
“So, it was this duality of someone who the attorney said not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And then, on the other hand, he was, you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner. So a very interesting and, as Pierre said, riveting press conference.”
He’s right, actually, that’s it’s interesting – that is, if you think much about people and what makes them tick, and how they can compartmentalize things. But it’s hardly surprising – Hitler was a vegetarian who loved animals, and all that. Anyone who studies human evil is aware of how common this sort of duality is.
(5) Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty for Robinson. The charges are “aggravated murder, two counts of obstruction of justice and felony discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily injury, two counts of witness tampering, and commission of a violent offense in the presence of a child.”
He didn’t enter a plea and showed no emotion. It’s important to recall that about three thousand people, many of them children, witnessed the murder in person and many were emotionally traumatized by it.
ADDENDUM from a comment at Ace’s:
The piecemeal leaks in this case are very Trumpy. A bit of info comes out, the Left tries to spin it as showing the shooter is rightwing…and then another piece of evidence comes out refuting the Left and taking things further. I just stumbled across a David Pakman subreddit (super soy and super Left YouTuber) with a recent thread titled “Is there evidence that Tyler Robinson is gay or his roommate is trans?”, where they deflect, say there’s no evidence of a sexual relationship, etc.
Now these texts come out where he says “my love” lol. These losers can’t catch a break.
True. They take the bait over and over.
It’s been suggested that the stilted language in the texts between Robinson and his boyfriend suggests an attempt to give plausible deniability, just like the phone call between Walter White and his wife in Breaking Bad where they knew they were being recorded.
Dwaz:
Yes, that’s what I meant.
I’m amazed at the sheer number of those in “respectable” positions willing to express such hatred publicly. Some of these threats could be taken as an expression of immediate danger to those nearby. People raised to expect no consequences for their actions.
I expect the lawsuits to start flooding the system soon. We’ve seen FA; FO is coming.
Neo:
I’m curious as to what you think Gerard would have said about this. His words are missed.
Reading those nauseating texts, I wonder if Robinson isn’t providing cover for Twiggs. They’re weirdly specific. I find it hard to believe that Twiggs knew nothing about the planned murder. They lived together FFS. More likely to me that Robinson at least told Twiggs about his scheme beforehand or that they planned it together. Call me cynical.
When I heard it was an old Mauser rifle and the shooter was a young guy, I figured the gun was or had been grandpa’s.
Robinson didn’t even wipe it down to remove fingerprints? That reminds me of an old movie called Blood Simple. The title is a reference to the notion that the shock and adrenaline of the violent act makes the perp go stupid.
DT:
Probably nothing printable 🙂 .
MrsX, I’ve been wondering the same thing.
Pure speculation because I don’t know much about the furry gang but Robinson seems like the odd guy out. Straight As, intact conservative and religious family, full-ride academic scholarship, planned to major in engineering, probably a little socially awkward/on the spectrum. Disappoints the family by dropping out of UVU either shortly before or after he falls in with this group and then starts adopting their outlook.
I keep thinking he was manipulated, though not unwillingly, into attempting the murder. I had the same reaction you did to both his Discord confession and these exchanges. They appear to be structured to include narrative details that Robinson planned the shooting alone which immediately raises a flag that there would be no reason to do that unless Robinson knew it wasn’t the first time the attack had been discussed with the recipients. The confession ended in a way that made me think Robinson was signaling that he wouldn’t implicate the group (which would explain why he has been reported as uncooperative) so they shouldn’t cooperate with the cops but it appears they, or at least the boyfriend, almost immediately did throw him under the bus.
@Christopher B:it appears they, or at least the boyfriend, almost immediately did throw him under the bus.
This to me indicates that the Discord chat was probably not a deniability ruse: sit tight, say nothing to the police without a lawyer is pretty much always good advice even when you haven’t done anything wrong. I think it’s not very plausible that someone who was really in on it AND went to the trouble to participate in a fake conversation so as to appear not in on it would NOT have taken that advice.
But this is a very weird world we’re getting a window into and very little of what old people like us thinks makes sense actually applies, I would bet.
And it’s not like there haven’t been murderous conspiracies involving transgenders who spend too much time online before. One of the Zizians was arraigned just two weeks ago.
I wonder if George Zinn is related to the late Howard Zinn, the leftist – some would say Communist – Boston University professor and the author of The People’s History of America, a core text in the indoctrination of college students into leftist anti-Americanism.
It rings true to me.
Anyone else think the left is going to have a very easy time claiming this was a false flag by the right? There’s the disturbing leap to crack down on “hate speech,” and conservatives are telling each other to cut off their friends who are still voting Democrat and to leave their churches if their pastor isn’t making a speech about Charlie Kirk, and the surge in people who want to set up TPUSA chapters (it has a similar vibe to the left’s astroturfing, even if it isn’t the same). Then we have this text exchange that sounds fake.
I’m not saying it IS fake, but we need to tread more carefully. It’s been six days. Let’s grieve. Let’s process the horrible thing that just happened. Instead, conservatives are trying to force it to be an inflection point in history.
@Shadow:Anyone else think the left is going to have a very easy time claiming this was a false flag by the right?
They always have an easy time claiming that. I assure you that facts will be no impediment.
I’m not saying it IS fake, but we need to tread more carefully.
People have been chasing every shiny thing without waiting to see if it is true or not, a lot of fake stuff about Tyler Robinson like being in Democratic Socialists for America or whatever, seemingly to try to seize the narrative. I don’t like that people are doing it, but the alternative is that the legacy media creates their own narrative and sets it in stone before any facts are in. They have done this too many times to mention in the last thirty years–Matthew Shepard, “hands up don’t shoot”, Russia Russia Russia, Trayvon Martin, George Floyd…. They are not getting to do it this time, too many people are awake to how the game is played.
I’m afraid tit-for-tat is going to continue until everybody, both on the Left and the Right, misses the old norm of journalistic objectivity and waiting for real information before having an opinion. To the extent this ever was a norm, which as I reflect back on what I remember of media it never really was.
The transgender spectrum includes homosexuals, bisexuals, and simulants. A man in women’s clothing is transsocial.
Gay is a light and pleasant state of mind.
Lesbian is a man or woman from the Isle of Lesbos.
The George Zinn really bothers me; he seems to be a sui generis life-long troublemaker, but that a total bystander would so quickly decide to impede the investigation and help the shooter get away, it just shows how deep the hate out there goes, you don’t know who you’re going to run into like that (though this guy of course was always involving himself in these kinds of things and if you saw him at one you probably saw him at others).
Also it’s a little hard to be tough on the cops for thinking they had the shooter at first. He said he did it.
the late Howard Zinn, the leftist – some would say Communist
==
It was discovered after he died that the FBI was tracking him ca. 1947. He was a member of a Communist Party cell and attending multiple meetings a week. He later had a job on the staff of the American Labor Party of New York (Vito Marcantonio’s outfit) during its terminal phase (1949-54). Jessica Mitford had a yarn about landing a job selling classified advertising at a newspaper and FBI agents showing up to persuade her supervisor to fire her. And yet here was Howard Zinn in graduate school, then hired at a research university in 1959, and granted tenure five years later on a reworking of his dissertation as a university press book. At the same time, the three sons of Earl Browder, erstwhile secretary-general of the Communist Party, were in graduate school at MIT and later had academic careers. Guess Jessica Mitford just got a bad break.
Walks like a duck, swims like a duck, quakes like a duck — it’s a whale.
They take the bait over and over.
They do, and they believe their own bullshit. A weakness to be exploited.
Those stilted, “my love,” exchanges between Robinson and his trans lover are suspicious.
But there is real bonding that goes on in radical groups. It can be a romantic situation.
==Bruce Cockburn, “Lovers In A Dangerous Time”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IX4gWkFqvU
I was struck by how well Robinson’s texts were written – almost perfect grammar, spelling, and punctuation! Reason to be suspicious of them?
I suppose he used a computer, which would make it easier to text so perfectly.
If he is sentenced to the firing squad, I wonder if civilians can volunteer for it.
Robin Westman, who shot up children at a Catholic Mass recently, left a surprisingly touching suicide note to his family and friends.
That’s something else Democrats have conveniently forgotten.
In the past three weeks Americans have been brutalized with the news of the Westman trans shooting of children, the Decarlos Brown Jr. subway knifing murder of 23 year-old Iryna Zarutska, and now the assassination of Charlie Kirk by a radical leftist lover of a trans.
Three weeks, three horrific murders by perps from Democrat protected groups.
Some of us see a pattern here. Some of us aren’t going to be distracted by what-about-ism and both-sides-ism arguments.
Regarding the motive for the Second Amendment, here’s something by Kevin Williamson, writing at National Review Online in about 2012, that I found memorable:
The Second Amendment is not about Bambi and burglars — whatever a well-regulated militia is, it is not a hunting party or a sport-clays club. It is remarkable to me that any educated person — let alone a Harvard Law graduate — believes that the second item on the Bill of Rights is a constitutional guarantee of enjoying a recreational activity.
There is no legitimate exception to the Second Amendment for military-style weapons, because military-style weapons are precisely what the Second Amendment guarantees our right to keep and bear. The purpose of the Second Amendment is to secure our ability to oppose enemies foreign and domestic, a guarantee against disorder and tyranny. Consider the words of Supreme Court justice Joseph Story — who was, it bears noting, appointed to the Court by the guy who wrote the Constitution:
The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.
“Usurpation and arbitrary power of the rulers” — not Bambi, not burglars. While your granddad’s .30-06 is a good deal more powerful than the .223 rifles that give blue-state types the howling fantods, that is not what we have a constitutional provision to protect. Liberals are forever asking: “Why would anybody need a gun like that?” And the answer is: because we are not serfs. We are a free people living under a republic of our own construction. We may consent to be governed, but we will not be ruled.
The “drip, drip, drip” technique reminds me of James O’Keefe, not DJT.
O’Keefe has a remarkable ability to anticipate how the other side will try to spin his investigations.
I visited the Turning Point USA headquarters this afternoon. There were about 400 people around, with comings and goings. There was to be a vigil a bit later.
The Phoenix police had the street in front blockaded at both ends. There were no police directly in front of the buildings. But there were quite a few rather fit young men walking around. I suspect any FA would swiftly FO.
The sidewalk tributes ran about 200 yards long by 15 feet deep. The resort hotel next door had some of its parking filled by mourners, but I didn’t see any hotel staff trying to prevent it.
I was there to drop off some hot food for the folks inside. People bring food to grieving homes in part because the bereaved can forget to eat. That was my logic. The staffer to whom I handed off the food seemed quite pleased to be delivered a hot bag full of street tacos and chili cheese dogs.
Oh, and the crowd was quite mixed, ranging in age from young parents with babies to old farts like me. Folks were serious.
They’re expecting 85,000 for the memorial on Sunday at the Cardinals’ stadium. Indoors, of course, what with the president, vice-president and a lot of the cabinet coming. Probably many more will not be able to get in, and will watch on screens in the heat.
Luke AFB is close, and I have a suspicion that Trump and Vance will not be there at the same time.
People are really, really upset about this. Despondency and rage were my initial responses, and both emotions recur. Others I talk to report similar feelings, although it seems people avoid the topic with strangers.
@Shadow tmThis is an inflection point. People aren’t forcing it, just recognizing it for what it is.
Iryna and Charlie are, each or as a pair, the clearest examples of non-justifiable evil one might imagine. As I mentioned earlier, the predicted group’s deliberate efforts to get the rest of us to not-know about Iryna was still simmering when Charlie was killed.
Yet, as predictable as the sun rise, the predicted group(s) ignored or blew off the first and justified the second.
It appears the predicted group(s) don’t care how obvious they are. They see no downside to being so well known. Why not?
For all we know, Twiggs was in the crowd.
As for the Left’s latest spin, it is that Robinson is, once again, a straight white male killer (as he is in love with a “woman”).
That first sentence of the first item: “There’s no reason to trust a person’s enemies to represent that person’s words fairly.”
Man, if that didn’t feel like the tumblers falling and a lock opening up. This is why the legacy news media can’t be trusted.
The exchange reminds me of a very troubled young man I know who got involved with a manipulative transgender person. I am not saying that Robinson and Twigg are like this, but you never know.
Is that old man Zinn related to America hating pseudo historian Howard Zinn?
BrooklynBoy:
Many people have asked that question, but the fact that we haven’t seen anyone answer “yes” indicates to me that they’re probably not related. If they had been, someone would probably have uncovered it by now.
Inflection point? I would like it to be, but then I’m an old man with memories of better times. That probably never were, I’ll acknowledge grudgingly.
This to me indicates that the Discord chat was probably not a deniability ruse: sit tight, say nothing to the police without a lawyer is pretty much always good advice even when you haven’t done anything wrong.
Both seem to point the same direction, i.e., protecting the tranny.
Shadow on September 16, 2025 at 8:53 pm said:
Anyone else think the left is going to have a very easy time claiming this was a false flag by the right? There’s the disturbing leap to crack down on “hate speech,” and conservatives are telling each other to cut off their friends who are still voting Democrat and to leave their churches if their pastor isn’t making a speech about Charlie Kirk, and the surge in people who want to set up TPUSA chapters (it has a similar vibe to the left’s astroturfing, even if it isn’t the same). Then we have this text exchange that sounds fake.
I’m not saying it IS fake, but we need to tread more carefully. It’s been six days. Let’s grieve. Let’s process the horrible thing that just happened. Instead, conservatives are trying to force it to be an inflection point in history.
That’s why they have been able to win for so long. We don’t fight back.
It does seem strange how careful the grammar and spelling are in that text string. I use standard English in texts, but I type them on a laptop, and anyway I’m old.
Even so, the texts don’t read like fiction to me. If they were fabricated, they are very adroit.
Even so, the texts don’t read like fiction to me. If they were fabricated, they are very adroit.
He doesn’t know why his live in lover did it? He doesn’t know the strength of his live in lover’s father’s politics?
Paul Nachman on September 17, 2025 at 2:22 am: Thank you for that 2nd Amendment item from Williamson. I will be copying it into my 2A folder for safe keeping and retrieval if needed.
I always liked Kevin’s directness, even if I did not always agree with him. His succumbing to TDS is a disappointment, although certainly not uncommon.
I presume many here are growing fonder of Trump and his policies (aka “winning”!), but still hold back on 100% cultism. I wonder if some of the TDS is from folks who have not figured out that sometimes “the perfect is the enemy of good enough”.
Gordon Scott @ 4:00am: “There were no police directly in front of the buildings. But there were quite a few rather fit young men walking around.” That triggered for me the image of some doing concealed carry, and looking for anyone else who might be abusing that right. Since I fumble to get my cell phone out of my pants pocket, I am thinking about buying a phone holster, but I could see where some one seeing me remove it for use might misconstrue what was happening.
PS: thanks for the on site report.