Nevertheless, Democrats don’t think they’re the bad guys
They just want Trump gone, gone, gone.
In a way, it’s understandable. It must seem like forever to them that he’s been in office. Not only does he tweak and poke and tease them, but he was first elected ten years ago. I suspect that those four years of Biden between Trump’s two terms has only served to make it seem as though Trump’s been in charge much longer than he actually has.
They would dearly like it to end ASAP:
We polled five routes for Trump to leave office before the end of his term. A plurality of Dems support four of them, including a military coup and death by natural causes. The only one underwater, an assassination, is still supported by 29%. pic.twitter.com/C3qb2H0R8j
— Center for Strategic Politics (@StratPolitics) September 21, 2026
That 29% for the assassination seems a trifle low, by the way – I get 32% when I add the figures up.
If you can’t access X and can’t see the chart, the five routes are the following:
(1) Impeached and convicted, which draws 87%, 75% of them very strongly. For what would he be impeached? Who cares, really?
(2) Declared unfit under the 25th Amendment, which draws 84%, 70% of them very strongly.
(3) Died overnight in his sleep, which draws 55%, 45% of them very strongly. Well, at least they don’t want him to suffer.
(4) Removed by military coup, which draws 59%, 43% of them very strongly. Nothing like a little “our democracy” action.
(5) Assassinated while speaking at a rally, which draws 32%, 23% of them very strongly. That’s about a third of respondents. What’s more, another 25% would be indifferent/neutral if that happened.
Rather astounding, except for the fact that I’ve known many people to voice a wish that Trump would die. They seem otherwise normal, living normal and even kindly lives. TDS is very very real.
And that’s why they can’t be argued with.
They let Trump break their brains.
“Are we the baddies?”
Unthought, unthinkable thoughts.
Unquestioned aliegance.
Real socialism, communism, justice, has never been tried. (sarc x 11)
The numbers for Neo’s (4) and (5) are indicators why Democrats are to be feared as enemies of America and its Constitution. As ENEMIES, not as somewhat odd fellow citizens. Neo observes of the TDS people, “They seem otherwise normal, living normal and even kindly lives.” So they are akin to the German people. die Burgers, in the time of Nazis; living normal lives but it was OK to “displace” the Jews, their fellow citizens.
Usually when people live in a bubble, their outlook becomes constricted. Am I living in a sanity bubble?
Democrats seem increasingly crazy. Candidates that are openly socialist, even communist. Party ideologues that blame the US for 9/11. Halal as fashion food.
And polls that seem unbelievably odd:
39% of Democrats think restaurant industry should be publicly owned and operated.
46% support public ownership and operation of grocery stores.
https://tinyurl.com/yc8rn5k3
P. T. Barnum was right, one every minute.
They seem otherwise normal, living normal and even kindly lives”
As I’ve mentioned many times, I have at least 4 friends and a BiL who fit that description. But when it comes to Trump they become unhinged. If the psych profession wasn’t also so afflicted, I think there’s an opportunity for some fascinating research into this mental condition.
At this point in time, their complete and utter ignorance of facts is inexcusable.
They manifest the intellectual maturity of a twelve year old.
Cornflour quotes poll:
I suspect that very, very few of that 39% have ever worked in a privately owned restaurant. From ages 16-22, I worked in family-owned restaurants. Counterman and dishwasher. Hundred-hour weeks is not unusual for restaurant owners—100 hour weeks for a number of family members at a given restaurant.
No government employee is going to put up with those hours. Which means that employee costs of government-owned restaurants will be much higher than those for family-owned restaurants.
I would make a similar observation regarding family-owned grocery stores. There are not many of them left in the US (leaving out a family-owned chain, like HEB). I imagine that NYC has a fair amount of them–the bodegas.
For what would he be impeached? Pardoning his business partner? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
https://www.wsj.com/finance/currencies/binance-trump-crypto-pardon-cz-changpeng-zhao-1007fde9
This article below is relevant, though not particularly new or original. However, it is a rather detailed discussion of how the left thinks, feels, and functions.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2026/09/the-left-is-a-cult/
A couple excerpts:
a means of escaping the burdens of the individual self.
Yes. Living a rationally motivated and honest life is difficult and hard work.
I suspect the real pro-assassination number is over 70% if not 80 or 90 when you consider how they gloat about Charlie Kirk.
Thus the “Oath of Enlistment” … “…support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…”
“I suspect the real pro-assassination number is over 70%”
Yes, the 32% are the ones who were not embarrassed to answer that way. As to Trump “breaking their brains”: I would say Trump merely revealed the already broken state of their brains.
I remember the day Scalia died, I was at a gym with the TV screens announcing the news. A woman there gave a fist pump and shouted “Yes!” This typifies the leftist mindset: No humanity, just whatever serves their ends.
TommyJay:
The people I know are not alienated from their society, however. They are living seemingly happy, full, productive lives
I do not want to have, or see, Trump assassinated. But as some people on this thread will recall (good evening, om), short of that, I will be pleased and relieved when his time in the presidency ends. In addition, and as I have said many times and in many places, I despise the man. I think there is plenty of reason to think that he does not care about anyone but himself–an intense narcissist with modest favorability extensions to some of his family members.
There are numbers of conservative Trump advocates who are also deranged, but in the opposite direction from those of us who dislike him: They think he can never do anything wrong, and is the ultimate hero–nay, the actual savior–of this American culture. I consider them afflicted with another variety of so-called Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I will also say, here and yet again, that there are few more completely dedicated conservatives than I am. It is entirely possible to loathe Donald Trump–ignoring our Constitution and associated laws as he does–without being a Democrat, a communist, or any other type of leftist. His evident assumption that he should have and exercise control over the formally independent Federal Reserve is but one example.
Former Leftist and movie blogger Sasha Stone woke up and dropped the Democrats when she finally came to the deeply disturbing realization that she was part of a hysterically insane cult.
How often does that happen, given the Left’s (and their media ghouls’) uncanny ability to promote and spread hysteria and sheer hate?
Neo: “They seem otherwise normal, living normal and even kindly lives.”
Kinda like that Lindsay-what’s-er-name
Baux gets excited by the WSJ story about pardons by the Trump White House but ignores the bigger story reported by RealClearInvestigations about Biden, Obama’s, and Clinton’s pardons. See the long carefully researched article that also debunks the 60 minutes hit piece.
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2026/09/23/60_minutes_airs_misleading_report_on_trump_pardons_1207635.html
@neo: The [liberal/left] people I know are not alienated from their society, however. They are living seemingly happy, full, productive lives
I agree that the cult-leftists — activists, Antifa — are different from the non-cult types as neo describes.
It seems that the Overton Window for Democrats has shifted so far that even “normie” Democrats are close to Antifa.
I’m not sure how this has happened.
@ huxley > “It seems that the Overton Window for Democrats has shifted so far that even “normie” Democrats are close to Antifa.
I’m not sure how this has happened.”
(1) The window that has shifted seems to be the one on the acceptableness of saying out loud what was in former eras kept under cover, and doing in the open what was formerly done in secret.
(2) It happened because “we” elected Obama, twice: all the gloves and masks came off, when there was no longer any penalty for cultic behavior, and in fact it was rewarded.
(3) I am reminded of Shirley Jackson’s classic short story, “The Lottery.” The people all seemed to be normal, happy, and productive. And yet….
When you look at the degeneration of American culture–what many younger people believe, think, and how they act–how far too many of them are generally alienated, adrift, and unmoored from what used to be conventional thought and behavior, I believe some measure of this–and perhaps a large measure–can be attributed to the collapse of the Boy Scouts, who used play a central role in forming the character of a very large number of boys at a critical time in their lives, in giving them principles to live by, structure, examples of ethical and correct behavior, and connection.
During the several decades it existed and flourished–and for all it’s faults–the BSA had a massive, formative, generally healthy, and stabilizing role in American life.
It got kids outside, in the natural environment, taught them some skills, and challenged them vs. today’s cell phone and computer focused, artificial, largely indoor culture.
Now, that traditional BSA is essentially gone, and far less benign influences and ideas have moved into the vacuum that absence has created.
I will also say, here and yet again, that there are few more completely dedicated conservatives than I am. It is entirely possible to loathe Donald Trump–ignoring our Constitution and associated laws as he does–without being a Democrat, a communist, or any other type of leftist. His evident assumption that he should have and exercise control over the formally independent Federal Reserve is but one example.
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That’s a fanciful description of the Federal Reserve as it has actually operated.
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You’re not a ‘dedicated’ anything. You’re rather like a manager I once had. Very concerned with the cockroaches on the window sill but not the elephant in the middle of the room.
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You want the abandonment of immigration enforcement, rampant vote fraud, criminal prosecution of Republicans on trumped up charges, preventive detention for dissenters, an end to access to online communication of dissenters, an end of access to financial systems for dissenters, assassination of Republican activists, mobs disrupting every kind of opposition gathering, an end to the punishment of criminals, a vast welfare apparatus serving randos who’ve shlepped over the border, default on the public debt, government by shadowy apparatchiks while drunk and demented office holders shuffle around, rampant pay for play schemes, a military reduced to DEI decoration, you’ve got that option.
People look at N*zi Germany and wonder how that could have happened.
The modern Left shows us exactly how it happened.
Rick Gutleber–Exactly!
And I see it looks like nobody with any power on the Left is making any strenuous efforts to stop the doom train that the Left is riding.
In fact, from what I’m seeing in the news, everyone of any prominence on the Left seems to be jumping on that train.
It seems as if someone is pointing to a cliff, and that everyone on the Left is just hopping on the train–one apparently without any brakes–that is headed directly for it.
Does no one on the Left see where their current direction is heading them, and what their ultimate destination will very likely be?
Apparently not, or is it that they just don’t care–intoxicated with the thrill of all of them being together on the train and headed for success, and a great adventure.
Does anyone think they’re the bad guys?
@Snow on Pine
As a Christian, I believe in the demonic. But the strongest empirical proof that it is real, as far as I’m concerned, comes from the secular world. C.S.Lewis, among many others, put his finger on it with “The Screwtape Letters.”
Because they don’t wear covers (hats) with Totenkophs (only tattoos occasionally) they can’t be baddies. Kafiaas or black Antifa togs and balaclavas, nope, those signify virtue! and justice! As did The Little Red Book.
In 1945 the SS blood type tattoo on the inner arm got them summary execution by the Red Army if captured or special treatment in the Gulag. Bill Ayers dreamed of an American Gulag for us, justice don’t you know.
Art Deco:
It is not remotely fanciful for me to point out that the Federal Reserve is not under the control of any American president. That lack of presidential control is, instead, an enforceable condition of the Fed’s own structure and function since its founding in 1913. The president appoints the Fed Chairman and its Board of Governors; he can theoretically and legally remove them “for cause”–a condition that remains legally unclear through its disuse and lack of definition, but is generally held NOT to include policy disagreements. Period.
I do NOT want ANY of the following: “. . . the abandonment of immigration enforcement, rampant vote fraud, criminal prosecution of Republicans on trumped up charges, preventive detention for dissenters, an end to access to online communication of dissenters, an end of access to financial systems for dissenters, assassination of Republican activists, mobs disrupting every kind of opposition gathering, an end to the punishment of criminals, a vast welfare apparatus serving randos who’ve shlepped over the border, default on the public debt, government by shadowy apparatchiks while drunk and demented office holders shuffle around, rampant pay for play [sic] schemes, a military reduced to DEI decoration, . . . .”
Re Snow on Pine at 9:33 am:
“During the several decades it existed and flourished–and for all it’s faults–the BSA had a massive, formative, generally healthy, and stabilizing role in American life. ”
Agreed! The Boy Scouts were huge for more than a few decades. Their downfall was evident when they started accepting girls, homsexuality, and homosexual leaders.
It is not remotely fanciful for me to point out that the Federal Reserve is not under the control of any American president. That lack of presidential control is, instead, an enforceable condition of the Fed’s own structure and function since its founding in 1913. The president appoints the Fed Chairman and its Board of Governors; he can theoretically and legally remove them “for cause”–a condition that remains legally unclear through its disuse and lack of definition, but is generally held NOT to include policy disagreements. Period.
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Yes it is fanciful, Betsy. Historically, the Federal Reserve board has avoided conflict with the President.
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I do NOT want ANY of the following
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Isn’t that cute?
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From Art Deco: “Historically, the Federal Reserve board has avoided conflict with the President.”
Documentation to the contrary:
https://www.vintagefinancialpartners.com/blog/when-presidents-go-to-war-with-the-fed
Documentation to the contrary:
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Betsy, the only notable occasion of a President at war with the Fed occurred in 1965-66, when Wm. Martin declined to implement measures preferred by Lyndon Johnson. Martin caved after about a year.
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Recent appellate court decisions have declared that the members of regulatory commissions are not tenured officials and are subject to dismissal by the President. They have made an exception for the Fed for occult reasons.
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By the way, you’re ‘documentation’ consists of potted historical capsules. One refers to events 80 years prior to the Fed’s creation. Others refer to minor tiffs over policy which presidents commonly have with their subordinates. Contrary to what your dipso historians imply, Wm. Martin successfully restabilized prices in 1951-52 after years of inflation in the 4% per annum range. Burns was a wretched Fed chair more responsible than any other official for the inflation of 1966-82, and Carter insisted in March of 1980 that Volcker abandon his program of containing monetary aggregates. Volcker did successfully restabilize prices in 1981-82 after Mr. Reagan assured him of his support.