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  1. “. . . and values . . . ”

    yeesh, the dank is fraught enough already without having to atom-split it into even tinier pieces of absurdity.

    (“Which comes first, the philosophy or the rage?”)

    Of “philosophy”, I’m inclined toward a simple “this is none of that”.

    Or put another way: is philosophy something, or nothing? Answering, say, “something”, it is simplest to keep to “it is a love of wisdom”, a seeking after a thing we have not got, yet still pursue.

    These killer fellows are none of that.

  2. RIP to the victims at the mosque. The mosque has connections to 9-11 hijackers and issued statements celebrating the Oct. 7 atrocities. However, we cannot support the killing of people by vigilantes of any kind.

    I thought the same thing when I saw the first name “Cain.” Marking him as a murderer at birth, a prophecy he fulfilled.

  3. sdferr:

    Call it what you want, it’s a belief system that’s being widely promulgated online and is very dangerous.

  4. “it’s a belief system that’s being widely promulgated online and is very dangerous.”

    Yes. There’s nothing new about ethnic and racial hate.
    Historically, it waxes and wanes. Clearly we are seeing a larger ‘oscillation’ in that wave form. Arguably, the increasing embrace by the young of the anti-Semitic ‘woke’ right is a reaction to the left’s ‘Jacobite’ extremism. But those two extremes have always been with us, like the tides, low and high.

  5. @neo: Another thing I noticed immediately – and which is very unusual – is that one of the perpetrators was given the first name “Cain.” That particular spelling of the name, which is the name of the first murderer in the Bible, is very uncommon and to me it would tend to indicate something unusual or tone deaf in a parent.

    I would like to know how that baby was named Cain.

    I’m reminded of Hesse’s “Demian” in which the narrator’s best friend, Max Demian, provides a reinterpretation of the Cain and Abel story. Here Cain is explained as a superior Nietzschean outsider beyond conventional morality.

    Ordinary people are frightened by Cain and thus invent the story that Cain was a murderer in order to morally degrade him.

    It would be a kick in the head if the parents were Hesse fans. Of course, I’m just speculating.

  6. To me the naming of a neworn babe, “Cain”, indicates the parents are (1) educated, at least Biblically, and (2) rotten to the core.

  7. Interesting that there seems to be little known, or at least published, about the parents and the home enviroment of the killers.

    Tangentially. Earlier this week there was a massive arrest of child sexual exploiters in SoCal. One of the Police Officials in the press conference urged parents to get their children off of the internet, because that is where the sexual predators make their contacts.
    Very good advice on many levels
    Of course, the internet is good, or bad, depending on how it is used. It does not take a degree in Mental Health to deduce that immature and/or troubled minds may find it toxic. Yet, it seems that the internet and video games–which may be extremely toxic– have become the baby sitters of choice.

  8. This is something of a tangential sidelight to the San Diego mosque incident, but I do believe it’s worth at least a sidelight mention. So here goes . . .

    Now that their sanctuary has been rudely invaded by murderous evil, many muslims (and their communities) may feel just a little less safe than they felt just a week ago.

    It’s an infinitesimal taste of what Jews have been experiencing all along, and I feel awfully hard-pressed to be regretful that many muslims now may feel less safe.

  9. MJR

    Agree with what you have posted. My ability to have sympathy for them is really impaired by their actions worldwide.

  10. Neo dug into a puzzle situation more than we will see I suspect. This will go away fast.

  11. I think Geoffrey hits closest to the mark, and I’ll extend his comments a bit.

    The rage comes first. There have always been angry young men.
    There has also always been hatred based on ethnic and religious differences.

    What has changed in recent years is there is a group in our society that now believes it benefits from stoking those hatreds. It sees angry young people willing to commit violence as foot soldiers in a war against their opponents. It is also not above fostering parallel hatred that internally disrupts and discredits its opponents. We’ve been here before, about 160 years ago, with the same group doing the same things.

  12. All the psychologizing and psychoanalysis aside, the simplest explanation of these demonic events is precisely that: demonic. And not in some metaphorical sense, but in the literal one. Cain killed Abel our of his anger at his offering being rejected by God while that of Abel was accepted. (That Cain ignored God’s instruction about the requirements for such an offering is of the essence.) But instead of attempting to ascertain why his sacrifice was not accepted, Cain simply took his jealous rage out on his very brother, as today’s demonic leftists find it much easier to simply silence/eliminate/kill those who disagree with them instead of recognizing the evil within themselves. Have we forgotten to whom Chomsky dedicated “Rules for Radicals”? Satan has forever done the same thing, taking his jealous rage out on the creatures whom God made and loved enough to sacrifice a precious portion of His own Divinity so that reconciliation of those fallen human creatures was made possible. Hating Jews is just one facet of Satan’s hatred of all humanity and he knows how easily the human heart can be corrupted and twisted into mirroring his own hatred and projecting/reflecting it on to other humans. We deny the actual, real and completely malevolent existence of Satan at our peril. Failing to see and comprehend the source of so much evil in the world means that it can not be adequately resisted. “Know thy enemy” is not just an empty phrase. Modern man’s rejection of the truth found in The Bible condemns us to ignore and thus be forever overcome by our enemy, Satan. Remember the quote attributed to many different authors, but probably tracing back to Baudelaire and expanded by Lewis in “The Screwtape Letters”, “The devil’s greatest trick was convincing people he does not exist.” Never more true than today.

  13. One should feel sorry for the victims and the others in fear for themselves and their families.
    However, while this does not affect the preceding paragraph, to what extent would the reverse be true if the target had been a synagogue? Would the mosques’ congregation there feel sympathy in the same degree? Would there be a few nodding, even if in private, with a certain amount of satisfaction?

    Saw an interview with a seemingly civilized Muslim woman; fashionably dressed, upper class Britspeak, so forth. Asked about the Charlie Hebdo murders, she said violence should be condemned. But mocking Islam is a bad thing. IOW, next time somebody mocks Islam, we’ll have more violence to be condemned and don’t forget it.

    To construct a clumsy metaphor, this coin does not do a fifty-fifty when flipped. Most times, it comes up the same way. Jew victims vs. Muslim victims; reciprocal sympathy. Remember where to put your money.

    These two were really off the beam. Kids need parental and social attention. Those with such issues require more. All the time they’re on their screens, they don’t need their parents and it doesn’t look as if they need attention at all. So….they get less.

  14. As Oldflyer notes above, it’s odd that we have read very little about Cain Clark’s family. Vazquez’s family have offered deep sorrow and condemned their son’s actions. We have learned little about Clark’s background.

  15. Not only do we have Cain but “Caleb” is a capital “C” followed by an anagram of Abel. Very odd coincidence.

  16. I had an uncle and two cousins named Caleb, so it only sounds unusual to me combined with “Vazquez.”

  17. I read somewhere that the murderers thought they were targeting a synagogue and targeted the mosque by mistake.

  18. Marisa:

    I heard some podcasters speculating that was the case. I don’t think there’s any way to know. The choice of an Islamic target is indeed somewhat puzzling if their deepest hatred was of Jews, as they said.

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