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Noelia Castillo Ramos, 25, slid down the slippery slope — 24 Comments

  1. A good analogy of medically-assisted euthanasia is to compare it to a situation where you come across someone who wants to jump off a bridge (or high building) to kill themselves.

    Only instead of trying to help them by talking them down you give them a push and say that it is what they asked for.

    I just don’t understand how anyone with any compassion can help someone to kill themselves instead of trying to help them otherwise.

    Yes, RIP Noelia Castillo Ramos and others needing true help.

  2. I read that this poor woman was raped by immigrants.

    Spain is lost.

    The Pope needs to reconvert Europe.

  3. I had missed the ghoulish detail that the hospital had already committed her organs and therefore wanted her killed.

    RIP.

  4. Apart from being horrible as a practice allowed at all, how can it be possible any linkage of organ harvesting upon state run killing is permitted? This simply must not be. Never.

  5. In Canada, state sanctioned murder (euphemistically labeled euthanasia) is now the 5th leading cause of death. Predictably it will grow closer to #1 as this story makes clear to those with eyes to see: “Canada: Woman euthanized against her will after requesting palliative care”
    https://righttolife.org.uk/news/canada-woman-euthanised-against-her-will-after-requesting-palliative-care

    “What shall we do with all these useless people?” Noah Yuval Harari, ‘advisor’ to WEF founder Klaus Schwab

  6. In China, they would execute political prisoners and then immediately harvest their organs.

  7. I read about Noelia in the WSJ of all places. The tragedy of her death is it was a result of her self-caused paraplegia.
    As an oncologist, now long retired, I dealt with many suffering patients, aka terminal patients, which we all in fact are, though our glide paths are hopefully shallow. The closest I got to committing euthanasia was as a young, immature physician when I took a brain-dead elderly woman off life support. She had arrived by rescue squad deeply comatose, no relative or friend ever showed up, all potential causes were sought, none were found. So after repeated EEGs were flat-lines, I stopped her respirator and her heart stopped 5 minutes later, when I pronounced her.
    What I learned as I aged in medicine was that euthanasia has no place in medicine, none, and God’s will, not mine, be done.

  8. I have to believe in euthanasia in cases of terminal disease that brings about extended suffering – physically and/or mentally. Forcing one to exist when in extreme pain and/or discomfort and progressive debilitation with certain death relatively “imminent” leaving one to wait to die is cruel. My mother was slowly dying of emphysema but had been in extreme pain for over a year with her neck and back which couldn’t be alleviated medically. A dr. she knew had her go for a bone scan and it was discovered that she had primary liver cancer that all the drs. she saw had missed for several years. The tumor was extremely large and was pressing on her spine causing the pain. They gave her 1-2 months to live. We were grateful actually that she passed away 3 weeks later with no extensive suffering from chemo treatments which wouldn’t have helped at that point anyway. Basically, upon hearing the news, she crawled in bed and cried while she waited. I don’t know that I wouldn’t have done the same. Others receive terminal prognoses but with longer time. Quality of life is an essential consideration. In this particular case, what I found most chilling was the fact that her “organs had been committed” and what part that played in the approval. I wonder at what point in the process she agreed to donate her organs. Or was she forced to do so to get approval. That can be called nothing less than ghoulish.

  9. In a recent podcast Victor Davis Hanson was talking about the Slippery Slope in Canada. He described his own recent experience with lung cancer.

    If he had been in Canada, he would have been told his treatment would be available in six months. Hanson said he would have been dead in six months.

    He imagined the conversation he might have had with a medical person suggesting he accept euthanasia, save himself the pain and discomfort of treatment plus donate his organs to others.

    Win-win!

  10. What is interesting is how this is framed, e.g., in the German MSM. The excerpt above is matter-of-fact. In German newspapers etc., the father is clearly positioned as evil, and the Abogados Cristianos are of course not merely “conservative Catholic”, but “arch-Catholic”.

  11. Planned Personhood or State-assisted selfie-abortion. At least it was her Choice.

    All’s fair in lust and abortion? Maybe, baby, not is a fetus… feature of the progressive path and liberal grade. A wicked solution with forward-looking consequences.

  12. Christians for the most part believe there is life after death, and that life is better than this one. At a younger age I wanted to live as long as I could. At 83, and feeling parts of me lose their old abilities, the question of life or death becomes more equal. For my wife, who has spinal issues, I would say it has gone beyond the equilibrium point — that is, except for not knowing what is there, I think she would welcome the chance to find out what comes after death as she lives in constant pain now and has given up essentially all activities that made her happy in earlier times.

    If we lived in Canada I know she would explore medically assisted life termination. Actually, from what I understand of the current state of play in Canada, her physician would probably have recommended it about 5 years ago.

    Selfishly, I am happy she is still here, although I see her pain daily and her current condition adds lots of additional work to my life. But I am happy she continues to live.

    Her condition has caused me to think a lot more about what comes next. I have read several near death experience stories (NDE) and people seem to like what they experienced. If only death were like an Amazon package, with a free return privilege, it would be a lot easier to make that decision.

  13. My view is that people who advocate euthanasia believe in themselves as God-like, somehow being empowered (by whom or what?) to choose life or death for themselves and for others.
    Cindy Simon’s post, above, illustrates my point. Pro-euthanasiacs have the power to relieve pain and suffering by the process of elimination of the afflicted person. This is not part of the Hippocratic Oath, established maybe 3000 years ago, and still quite valid. Some medical schools have come up with their “new” version, since the Oath precludes performing an abortion. There is the slippery slope.

  14. I have not registered as an organ donor, because in my corrupt Democrat state I fear I could end up worth more dead than alive, if some connected person needed my organs.

  15. I also removed my organ donor registration. Not sure they’d want really old organs, but still …

  16. Along the same lines of ‘relieving pain and suffering’, there are countries that claim they have eliminated ‘Down’s Syndrome’. And they have – by eliminating, via abortion, babies that test positive for it!

  17. — F

    No, Christianity teaches that there is life after death (the form and timing are debated), and that it can be better than this one. Christianity also acknowledges the possibility of Hell and Damnation. That’s just as much a part of Christian doctrine as Heaven (though again, the details are disputed/debated).

    I have read several near death experience stories (NDE) and people seem to like what they experienced.

    — F

    I have zero faith in those experiences, for various reasons.

    But aside from considerations of the post-death existence, the central issue with euthanasia is that human beings are Fallen, and cannot be trusted on such matters. The ever-steepening slippery slope of euthanasia is no surprise, because it’s cheaper to kill a patient than to treat them.

    A recent case in Canada illustrates this: https://www.ewtnnews.com/world/us/84-year-old-woman-speaks-out-after-being-offered-euthanasia-while-visiting-canadian-er-for-back

    Now allowing for the possibility that the story is wrong/false/exaggerated, it’s all too believable even so.

    Likewise the ‘shocking’ discovery that hospitals would be more likely to euthanize if organs are listed as usable. Nothing shocking about it, that’s precisely why I never signed the organ donor option on my drivers’ license, all the way back to my teenage days. I knew perfectly well that money talks, even back then.

    I hate that fact, because I would be very happy for my usable organs to extend someone else’s life…after I am well and truly and legitimately done with them. But I’ve never been naive enough enough to trust to institutional altruism on the matter.

    (Or in some cases, I trust institutional altruism to result in evil. I could well imagine some doctor, motivated by what s/he truly believes is a higher good, to save someone more valuable (by whatever metric) than me, letting me die to save them.)

    It’s one thing to refuse extreme interventions. It’s one thing to decide to stop artificially preserving life and let nature take it’s course under some conditions. But actively ending life opens up a can of worms like nobody can imagine, because you’re pouring gasoline on the corrupt fire of Fallen human nature.)

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