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Somaliland corroborates the charges against Ilhan Omar — 23 Comments

  1. Diversity (e.g. class-disordered ideologies). Racism, obviously. A shade of Black supremacists?

  2. 200,000?

    Pretty impressive!

    No wonder the Democrats respect her and defend her to the hilt.

    Yep, Black Lives MATTER…

  3. I knew about her father’s involvement in atrocities in Somaliland from reading about it at the Power Line blog.

    The question about her naturalization is not 100% settled (although I don’t expect anything to be done about it). Online researchers have not found an official record of her father’s naturalization. Further, she allegedly changed her birthdate to make her only seventeen rather than eighteen at the time of her father’s citizenship grant (if it occurred). If she was eighteen, she would need to have pursued citizenship on her own, and she didn’t.

  4. @ Neo (quoting) > “the Isaaq Genocide, was a merciless military campaign that resulted in the killing of over 200,000 Isaaq civilians.” – and so forth.

    THAT is what genocide looks like. And it’s not the only one in Africa in modern times. Don’t even think about ancient tribal warfare.

    The IDF operations in Gaza since 10/7/23 are NOT genocide: if the Jews wanted to kill all the Gazans and salt the earth they lived on, it would have taken them 2 weeks 40 years ago.

    Even the continual bombardment and targeted assassinations (please note the adjective) during the current Iran operation are NOT genocide, as both the US and Israel are making every possible effort to avoid civilian casualties, since the Iranians are needed to run the country after the Mullahcracy, the IRGC, and their lackeys are disposed of.

    The regrettable destruction of the elementary school is exactly that: regretted.
    Highlights the absolute need for up-to-date intel in this kind of warfare, however.

  5. Better that the DOJ go after her for her bogus income from a non-existent winery.

    “Between 1981 and 1991, the Somali military in which Colonel Nur Omar Mohamed, Ilhan Omar’s father, served as a senior officer executed a brutal and systematic campaign of genocide targeting the Isaaq people of the modern day Republic of Somaliland.”

    Publicly and on camera, ask her how she feels about her father participating in a documented genocide against the Isaaq people that slaughtered more than 200,000 people. Then ask her if she knew about it and if her father should have been prosecuted for war crimes…

  6. I wonder what proportion of the “Somali” immigrants to the USA are from Somaliland versus Somalia. Ilhan Omar’s tribal background and grifting/genocide; how deep does it go?

  7. There are several Somali clans in the Minneapolis area. As I recall, the Somali candidate for mayor lost because his clan, the same as Ilhan Omar, was opposed by the other. But what those are I do not recall, although “Isaaq” doesn’t sound like one of them.

  8. I read a while ago that she was far from oppressed and lived a comfortable life while in Somalia because her father was indeed an officer of the oppressors. I don’t know why they left. And I sure don’t know why they ultimately came here. But while I am not well informed on her life, I suspect her poor, penniless refugee story is not as truthful as she would have all believe. (But I can’t stand her now. I don’t care about her past and what shaped her crazy anti- “God Damn” America views. I only wish that her misdeeds and lies would be cause enough to nullify her citizenship. I’d settle for her being tossed out of Congress. And then there is the magical and sudden enormous wealth that she and her husband have made since she’s in office…. Makes me ill. Very, very ill.

  9. The 200,000 Isaaq people genocide is, like so much abuse in Africa, mostly ignored since it’s not Jews nor Americans.
    Black on Black genocide doesn’t matter enough to get Dem media coverage.

    Yesterday I saw a tweet about a big housing construction boom going on in Somalia, likely funded by the corruption in Minnesota.

    It occurred to me that such corruption was actually better at building houses and improving many lives in poor Somalia than decades of USAID or Clinton Foundation bureaucracy money laundering, like the Obama Library foundation having top execs making $600,000 (Obama wants 100 volunteers to donate work).

    Corruption beats aid at improving poor foreigner lives.

  10. Tom G: “Corruption beats aid”

    The aid is also corruption, it’s just that most of the money goes to “NGO” grifters.

  11. The surname thing may not be as much of a smoking gun as we’d hope.

    Lots of cultures don’t have our tradition of family names. In Indonesia, for example, lots of peoples don’t really use family names, and when they come to the US they just give whatever names they have. One Indonesian I know has no names in common with his sister, both are US citizens now.

    In some cultures family names don’t work the same way they do here. Spanish-speaking people usually have one from the mother and one from the father, and the mother’s father’s family name usually, but not always, comes in last place. This results in children whose last place name, what we’d call the family name, does not match that of either of their parents.

    Anyone who reviews documents for employment eligibility (Form I-9) is cautioned about this issue.

    So unless we’re experts in whatever Somali tribe Ilhan Omar came from, I’d hesitate to say anything is clinched by this. The so-called Somaliland Republic, a breakaway entity like Transnistria or the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, is not a disinterested bystander and has their own motives for interfering in US domestic politics. That doesn’t mean they’re not telling the truth, I’m just saying we can’t think we know all about it just from what we’re hearing.

  12. “The so-called Somaliland Republic, a breakaway entity like Transnistria or the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria”

    Do you have a shred of evidence nik that Somaliland is a violent, malevolent terrorist entity like ISIS?

  13. Do you have a shred of evidence nik that Somaliland is a violent, malevolent terrorist entity like ISIS?
    ==
    Its jurisdiction is the former British Somaliland. It’s the orderly portion of Somalia. Held a fairly competitive election in 2021.
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    Somalia hasn’t had a political authority which covered the whole country since 1991. There are only ‘breakaway’ portions.

  14. @FOAF:Do you have a shred of evidence nik that Somaliland is a violent, malevolent terrorist entity like ISIS?

    There’s not all that many breakaway entities that people have heard of and I intended no invidious comparison simply by listing a couple. Most of them are unsavory in some sense to somebody. The inhabitants are largely Sunni Muslims; plenty of commenters here would say that on that basis that they’re more likely to be violent and malevolent and supporters of terrorism than not.

  15. @Art Deco:Somalia hasn’t had a political authority which covered the whole country since 1991. There are only ‘breakaway’ portions.

    There is a generally internationally recognized entity, the Federal Republic of Somalia, which has a seat in the United Nations, and from that perspective “Somaliland” is the breakaway, and like Transnistria or Taiwan or Palestine only some countries recognize it.

  16. Niketas; FOAF:

    Israel is one of the few countries that has recognized Somaliland. I wrote a post about that a few months ago.

    An excerpt from an article quoted in the post:

    For thirty years Somaliland has functioned as a state. Not a slogan, not a cause, not a grievance economy. A state. Permanent population. Defined territory. Effective government. Capacity to conduct foreign relations. The four tests of the Montevideo Convention, met quietly and consistently since 1991. Add a fifth fact that the convention does not even ask for but history does. Somaliland has committed exactly zero acts of international terrorism. No hijackings. No embassy bombings. No exported jihad. No global fundraising networks laundering blood as politics.

    Also quoted in my post on the subject (from Roger L. Simon):

    According to Grok, “Somaliland, a former British protectorate, has maintained relative stability, its own currency, passports, elections, and government since 1991, in contrast to ongoing instability in Somalia.” …

    In fact, their residents have been photographed waving the Israeli flag after their country’s leader signed agreements promising Israeli aid for agriculture, health, technology, and economic development.

    The other parts of Somalia were mainly held by the Italians.

  17. Niketas:

    I haven’t seen a single person here say that Somaliland inhabitants are likely to be ” violent and malevolent and supporters of terrorism.” As I wrote in my above comment, Somaliland doesn’t have that history.

    Also, when you say that commenters here would say that because Somaliland inhabitants are Sunni Moslem, that wouldn’t follow, either. For example, the largest Moslem country on earth, Indonesia, is Sunni and not involved in terrorism or supportive of it.

  18. @neo:when you say that commenters here would say that because Somaliland inhabitants are Sunni Moslem, that wouldn’t follow, either.

    I agree that it wouldn’t, nonetheless you and I both know that there are regulars here who express blanket views about Muslims that do not exempt Indonesians or Somalis in Somaliland or Muslims anywhere else. I did not say I personally agreed with it.

    Do bear in mind that I was not trying to connect Somaliland with terrorism. That was falsely imputed to me by someone else, who probably was making an honest mistake and not a deliberate misrepresentation. I’m not sure why he leaped to that connection instead of Russian separatism, which was the other example, but whatever.

    Perhaps it was unwise of me to respond at all since it derailed my actual point, which was that in lots of places people don’t use a consistent system of family names like we do. But like anyone else I hate to be misrepresented, and thought I’d clear it up. Lesson learned, I guess; some things are better let go.

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