The 2016 election: the crime and the coverup
Jed Babbin, writing in the Spectator, notes:
Since Watergate, the Washington wisdom has always held that it’s not the crime, it’s the coverup that sinks a politician. But that’s only the case when the coverup fails.
But what if the coverup succeeds?
It’s horribly simple. The crimes are never uncovered and the perpetrators are never brought to justice no matter how serious their crimes may be. That is precisely what has happened because of the FBI and Justice Department’s coverup of their abuses of power and illegal actions during the 2016 election.
In this case, the FBI and the Justice Department have succeeded in the most significant coverup in American political history. The abuses of power and crimes they have succeeded in covering up are not only against the law: they are crimes against our system of law and government. They were perpetrated by employees of the government, under color of law, with the intention of affecting the outcome of an election.
I disagree, at least somewhat. I think we political junkies on the right do know quite a bit about the crimes and the coverup; the information is out there for those who are interested. But there’s a secondary coverup by the MSM, which is how most Americans still get their news. And there’s another coverup (or rather, minimization) of sorts by Democrats who say it didn’t happen that way and/or it’s been exaggerated and/or you shouldn’t care.
The Spectator article also mentions the stonewalling in which the FBI and DOJ have been engaged, withholding information from multiple Congressional investigations. That’s part of the picture.
But still, we already have enough information to be outraged, and my sense is that most people are not outraged. They don’t care and/or they are partisan Democrats and applaud it and/or they don’t read the information or follow it and/or or they don’t understand what it means.
The article also points out something I was dreading before the midterms when I realized the Democrats were highly likely to win in the House: the investigations mounted by the GOP-controlled Congress have stopped.
[NOTE: A mystery is why Trump never declassified some of the relevant documents, particularly before the 2018 midterms. However, it’s not hard to generate some theories on that—for example, they were just too sensitive. Or they reflected poorly on him or on the GOP in some way. Or he’s saving them for a more important time. None of those seem all that convincing to me.]
They have to be ready to hear it, Neo. For whatever reason — good business times, extreme partisanship whose nature conceals the realities, no serious external crises — most people aren’t ready to hear it. They don’t fully believe it, they think there are wrinkles they don’t know about yet, they (if Democrats) think they’re going to get away with it so why reconsider — the audience of public opinion, including the right, is not quite ready to hear it. Perhaps they haven’t heard the final clincher that makes it unavoidably in our faces. (Seth Rich; the Awans; yet a third element I can’t think of at this second.)
I think that element will arrive at some point, myself. I don’t think this is starting to fade away by any means. Maybe a more serious prosecution from the DOJ now that a new leader will take over is all that’s needed. Get facts corroborated by a judge.
This is why lying to the FBI can’t simply be dismissed as a procedural crime. Obviously, if the suspect hides the evidence, investigators may never be able to prove the underlying crime.
So, for example, we’ve recently learnt that that Paul Manafort is being prosecuted for lying about meeting a Russian operative during the 2016 campaign.. and shared campaign polling data with him.
We only learnt about this because Manafort’s lawyers failed to properly redact. Without this failure, Trump supporters would no doubt be screaming “No Collusion” again.
Manju is here to keep us up to date on DNC talking points.
A mystery is why Trump never declassified some of the relevant documents, particularly before the 2018 midterms.
I suspect that he was reluctant to disclose to role played by the UK in in this scandal. He is surrounded by enemies and getting bad advice most of the time. I wonder if Bolton just screwed the Syria withdrawal up by talking about the Kurds and provoking Erdogan. Trump is used to some level of confidentiality in his negotiations in business but now he has legions of enemies leaking every detail.
As far as Manafort, the WaPoo story did not mention that the Russian lawyer was involved with Fusion GPS. Manafort, who is a crook, mentioned polls data.
She used a supposed story about Hillary to get entry but she was about the Russian scandal which has nothing to do with Trump.
The mechanism that allows the FBI and DOJ to withhold information about ongoing investigations, particularly those involving national security, is Executive Privilege.
Who has this privilege? Donald Trump. This should tell you something.
In order for your allegations to be true, we must believe that the victim is covering up evidence of the crime.
In that linked Spectator piece:
I found a CNN piece on that Goodlatte-Gowdy December 28th letter that says this:
Trump never declassified because it is one of his few bargaining chips, IMO. To actually do the declassification is to spend the chip, potentially for little in return other than the satisfaction. Plus, if all the dirt comes out, I don’t doubt there will some GOP dirt in there, and then the serious spinning begins.
Just remember, Rosemary Woods deleting 18 minutes of audio tape was the end of the world. Hillary and IRS director Koskinen and his thugs deleting the equiv. of 18 thousand hours of emails is no biggie. Move along, move along.
A mystery is why Trump never declassified some of the relevant documents, particularly before the 2018 midterms
to succeed like my mega wealthy friends one needs to understand reality the way it is… and the common mans fantasies of how such things turn out, are almost always wrong, and dont turn out… (if they didnt, they could be more successful, eh?)
look at your list…
all common man ideas of things…
as i described before, ignored, and not really questioned to get the point nd understand it..
when the poor look at wealthy living, they think the wealthy think of them
they think all manner of things, they even claim conspicuous consumption!
but that was invented to piss them off by someone telling them what they want to hear
just like your list…
the reason a very wealthy person buys a maybach, or a rolls, or a great painting is that its a way to preserve wealth.. you try to diversify a billion… ok. try to diversify 100 million..
its the common mans refusal to understand a view outside their own!!!!
[its the unsuccessful common man who is more superior to trump in morals, and in judgemetn, and more!!! and the world just didnt see it!!! but its clear that they are smarter than he, and he is only lucky to have some cash and everyone knows, money make money and its easy… right? you should compare poor dialogue vs reality… you will find reality reality is different than dialogued witty lies that are not all that truthful, but protect ego, position, reputation, help avoid, etc]
IF instead of buying bic pens and throwing them out, you did what i did
(after learning this from the wealthy babe)… bought a special edition waterman..
now… 35 years later… my waterman is worth a lot more than the $200 i paid for it
you see… i didnt consume the item
you see.. it wasnt thrown away
you see… i can get more than i paid for, so even when using i am not losing
ok..
so in the point your making..
there is no payout for the act
being satisfied, feeling good, etc.. is not a payout to anyone but the low
its a compromise to losing…
right now, its a waste to do it..
two, it would telegraph willingness and so trigger planning
three, it would gain NOTHING, nada, zip, zed…
and the funny part is, again, you have to tell tactics from strategy
and most cant… confusing them will put you wrong all the time
you want an outcome from a tactic, but the act contemplated is a strategy
without the idea of controling risk
without the ability to see tactics vs strategy (other than self claim)
without the ability to know they enemies, what they read, how they act, their histories, your jsut guessing in the wind for entertainment, and ignoring tsun tsu and clauswitz, who was quoted but not read
being ignorant and discovering is fun
its like revealing sometning to a friend
you press the button, the rat gets the cocaine..
not knowing critical things and not having time to learn is not fun
but its the same thing above, except withotu the ignorance spreading to what it means to be like that, but limited to the thing itself
its like the videos that get views showing a song or something
its pressing your psych buttons…
and you get a squish of dopamine
so… keep with the suprising and fun and all that, and see where it gets you
because it becimes reflex to supress the key things that poop the party
the desire not to know when the party ends is the desire to go down with the ship happy and not avoid it at all…
here is a fecitious question:
why avoid reading what you really need to not party to doomsday and be suprised?
oh yeah
this is about entertainment…
not about anything else, which is why i write in other places now
to repeat above
being satisfied, feeling good, etc.. is not a payout to anyone but the low
its a compromise to losing…
winners dont do that.. they win…
and find their entertainment elsewhere
they are not so poor as to try to make entertainment out of the things that are critical to live success and living
is it any wonder they dont have much happiness looking for it in the serious things made frivolous?
they diminish the important, and suck the fun from pleasure
as they try to do both at the same time – did ya do anything meaningful with the dicussions here?
at least my discussions elswqere with others started MGTOW together, like l ron hubbard did
go back to the earliest days of this blog, and realize that when people were saying how bad it was with the left, the dems, and all that, and everyone was going pish tosh..
who was right given neos comments on the FBI
cause if you cant beat em, join em, and leo suskind is fulfilled.. no?
on another quick note, on the heels of soviet story
https://womenofthegulag.com/
The documentary film Women of the Gulag tells the compelling and tragic stories of six women as last survivors of the Gulag. Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago largely tells of the men caught in Stalin’s camps and special settlements for “crimes against the state.” Women of the Gulag, features six women in their eighties and nineties as they tell their stories….
i know its a waste to put this here..
if this was interesting… Ruta U would be known and Franke would not be alone
just rememgber, Ruta was the same age when sent to the Taiga
only 2 million of us in the world
only 90k
helping to exterminate us is easy compared to what?
8 million in the US alone of one group you would think would care
they dont…
“When you come to a fork in the road, take it.” ~ Yogi Berra
Fork the left: Continue the mission to “Make America Great Again” while trying to lower the heat and keep the lid on the pot.
Fork the right: Stoke the fires unleashing political chaos unlike any since the Civil War.
Take your pick.
“When you come to a fork in the road, take it.” ~ Yogi Berra
Hear, hear. As Yogi once remarked,
“You can observe a lot by just watching.”
And the empty chair abides at SCOTUS.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-gives-no-indication-when-ruth-bader-ginsburg-might-return
Over/under on gone by Easter? Valentine’s Day? Groundhog Day?
Artfldgr:
Done anything useful lately? Sounds like your same old story.
Roy Lofquist,
What if both forks in the road lead to the same destination? One simply taking a bit longer than the other…
RE: “But still, we already have enough information to be outraged, and my sense is that most people are not outraged.”
Correct. We know the basic outline of the cover-up, but we don’t don’t know:
(1) We don’t know the full extent of the cover-up, especially the names above and below the levels of McCabe, Strozk, and Page.
(2) We don’t know much about any of the other conspiracies (e.g. the unmasking of names by Rice).
(3) We don’t have evidence to prosecute, nor have we prosecuted anyone for any of the underlying crimes.
My last point is critical: I would be happy to say that the cover-up failed, but I can’t. If people were facing serious prison time, then we could say that the cover-up failed. That hasn’t happen. And if there aren’t any consequences, this behavior will be repeated. Crime pays, especially crimes that help the Ruling Class keep power.
While we have enough information to be outraged, we don’t have enough to do very much. Sadly, no one has made the case to the American people about why they should be outraged.
RE: “The investigations mounted by the GOP-controlled Congress have stopped.”
Indeed. Much of what we know came from the House investigations. Apparently the Senate can’t or won’t do it. The Trump White House has demonstrated over the last (almost) two years that they can’t or won’t do it either.
Manafort is being dragged over the coals solely to get at Trump.
Period.
It’s delusional to think otherwise.
(3) We don’t have evidence to prosecute, nor have we prosecuted anyone for any of the underlying crimes.
kevino: Seems to me under the Mueller protocol we could handle the process lies with big wide-ranging investigations to ruin people’s lives, squeeze them and get more information to prosecute others.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
The process is the punishment.
Geoffrey Britain,
“What if both forks in the road lead to the same destination?”
As Yogi also said, “Predictions are hard, especially about the future”.
It is the responsibility, the duty, the burden, the curse of the President that he makes the hard calls. And we’ll never know if he was right. It’s iron-man mode in the real world (no reloads).
For what it’s worth, I agree with Trump’s (apparent) decision to get on with business.
If you really think a creature is sick the first thing you do is take its temperature and in the case of our United States the various markets are a good reflection of how well we are doing. Much to the chagrin of the Democrats even after some needed increases in prime lending we seem to be doing fine and there are more jobs being added along with affordable energy and Trump has not really ruined the nation.
What the heck does that mean? Perhaps he is doing more good things than bad and still he is our president, and I would not be surprised if Trump knows there is no real evidence of wrong doing however the right play is to let the hand play on out, he has stayed in the game this long with strength.
I am old and confused about a lot of this stuff when it is obvious that the Clinton folks crossed over the line long ago with chargeable offenses and I think we are being played by Democrat media and marketing people as they start releasing their new, real strange goofy fresh political faces on the nation.
huxley: RE: “Seems to me under the Mueller protocol we could handle the process lies.”
(1) I’m not interested in the process lies. I want these people up on real charges — like treason and abuse of power.
(2) Process crimes look like trading tit-for-tat for revenge.
(3) If the last two years are any indication, the good guys either don’t have the ability, the intelligence, or the power to start a Mueller-like investigation. There are a lot of things that should have been started more than a year ago. They weren’t.
kevino: Agreed.
Old Texan,
“I am old and confused about a lot of this stuff…”.
Ditto. Senior moments? Or maybe some of the nuts are not as nutty are we thought. I am certainly feeling some cognitive dissonance. We are seeing increasingly hysterical media reports and bizarre accusations against a president who, by all objective measures, is performing rather well.
Perhaps we are in the midst of an historical inflection.
“A mystery is why Trump never declassified some of the relevant documents, particularly before the 2018 midterms. However, it’s not hard to generate some theories on that—for example, they were just too sensitive. Or they reflected poorly on him or on the GOP in some way. Or he’s saving them for a more important time. None of those seem all that convincing to me.” — Neo
They aren’t mutually exclusive, and one reason (especially the first two) doesn’t have to apply to all the documents: each one might be unreleasable in usable form for a different reason.
IF there are things that really are sensitive enough to damage national security, I don’t think Trump’s team would leak them; the Left and especially NYT would (they’ve got a proven track record), so nothing in the sensitive parts would hurt Trump.
The major argument for rejecting the middle reason (not original with me) is that none of the embarrassing parts have been leaked yet.
It’s hard to see what might be worth waiting to release, but maybe as ammunition in an impeachment trial or in 2020.
If Trump does exert his authority to release things during Mueller’s investigation, he is liable to charges of obstruction (you have to twist the facts and torture the law, but the MSM is up to the challenge); at any rate, the MSM will bury anything supportive of the “fall guys” because the public really doesn’t care about them, and there is unlikely to be any clear-cut positive evidence that Trump did NOT collude — his position is only vindicated by lack of evidence FOR collusion.
Also, Pres Trump may not be entirely sure his DOJ & FBI would actually follow orders, and there would certainly be court injunctions (what else is the Ninth Circuit good for these days?), so he may not want to fight those battles unless absolutely necessary.
Or there may simply be nothing in the documents pro or con the collusion charges. Hard as that might be to imagine.
Geoffrey Britain on January 9, 2019 at 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm said:
Roy Lofquist,
What if both forks in the road lead to the same destination? One simply taking a bit longer than the other…
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I knew someone would drag Robert Frost into things eventually ….
For an excellent roundup of the whole trumped up charges against the Trump campaign and the “insurance” plan to stop his presidency, read “SPYGATE” by Dan Bongino. He has timelines, charts, and diagrams to show how the various operatives intersect and when. Also, a large bibliography showing his sources. It will make a good reference book as the whole thing unfolds, which I think it will over the next two years. So far several FBI agents have been fired or resigned and Andrew McCabe is looking at charges for lying to the IG.
So, there has been some punishment. But not what could happen if we get a strong AG in Bill Barr.
All the perps will proclaim they were only doing their patriotic duty because there was evidence (The Steele dossier) that Trump might be a Russia asset. They will aver that anyone would want to ascertain if we were electing a Russian asset. The problem is that none of their investigations led anywhere. And they went to great lengths (FISA warrants, unmasking of U.S. citizens names, placing agents inside the campaign, plans to declare Trump mentally ill, and more) to find something, anything, they could use to ruin his candidacy/presidency. Lack of evidence did not deter them, but now they have to continue the coverup because they realize that they broke some laws and acted unethically as well as in a highly partisan way. Not so much in the name of patriotism as in the name of partisanship.
Of all the perps, the one I would most like to see get a comeuppance is Cardinal Comey, the self-appointed guardian of ethics in the FBI. He is, as Joe Di Genova says, a dirty cop. He lied, he leaked, he stole government documents, and he used a ruse to entrap Michael Flynn, Just to mention a few of his misdeeds.
Well, blert…is that so wrong? I mean, you’re over-stating things but Manafort is being dragged over the coals for the procedural crime of lying about sharing Trump poling data with a Russian operative.
Now, if you were Meuller, you’d wonder why a Russian Operative wants polling data. The most likely answer? In order to help in their efforts to interfere in our democracy by fooling Americans into voting for Donald Trump.
Why would Putin want Donald Trump? Well, Putin hates Nato, the global economic system based on free-trade that America established, and thinks the end of the USSR was a catastrophic event.
Trump was very publicly in-line with the first two points, but we’ve recently learnt that he thinks the communists were right to invade Afghanistan, because of terrorism.
Knave or Useful Idiot? Either way, can you blame Meuller for thinking all this treason leads back to Trump?
I’m glad Manju is keeping up his effort to avoid this being an Echo Chamber, yet he’s wrong. It IS wrong, a little, for Mueller to over-punish Manafort in order to deter other Big Fish from working with Trump. There is no Russian Collusion, Putin didn’t prefer Trump, Putin does hate NATO and does want to re-create a Pan-Slavic Russian led confederation in Eastern Europe. Putin also hates US fracking, and knew well that Hillary would oppose it far more than Trump — like all other famous folk, he thought Hillary “had it in the bag”.
” can you blame Meuller for thinking all this treason leads back to Trump?” — the treason of Hillary’s email? NOT Trump, Hillary.
the treason of Hillary’s emails being hacked: by Wiki-leaks, Russia, China, Rumanian hackers, Mossad? Not Trump, Hillary.
the coverup / non-release of those emails? Not Trump, Comey’s FBI deciding, given power by Lynch, the traitress AG (rightly fired by Trump).
the wire-tapping of Trump’s conversations? Obama — plus lies from Dem media.
the illegal unmasking of US citizen names? Obama, Rice, Comey plus others — a set of crimes that has not been investigated.
lying to FISA judge to get otherwise-illegal surveillance on Trump? Obama, Comey, Rosenstein.
I thought at the time that Trump was wrong to “pardon” Hillary right after the election, instead of doing as he promised to “Lock Her Up”. But I understood the logic — he won, let’s move forward. Yet the Deep State had already done so many illegal actions, they were afraid any new, honest, Trump-supporting AG would find out too much.
Mueller is an offensive distraction to Trump — with Trump knowing he’s not guilty of that stuff. But he doesn’t have a GOP which supports him. Much of the GOPe are RINOs who don’t like him, don’t want a Wall, DO want endless wars (they DID like the tax cuts); don’t mind huge deficits so much.
If Trump is really innocent, it’s not clear that Trump should be the main guy defending himself — others should be doing it. Him releasing more documents, showing the Dems are not serious about protecting national security, might be a “last ditch” effort. He’s not there yet, nor even that close.
We also know very very little about what IG Huber, outside of DC, has been doing. I fear it is very little. I read somewhere that he is hugely constrained until after Mueller files a report.
This is not a fast nor fair investigation; it’s not my idea of good justice.
Still, it’s a lot better than a fast conviction of a guy who is not guilty (false conviction). It’s not so bad against a guy who is later found to actually be guilty (true conviction). It’s bad but not terrible for a guy who is, and is found, innocent (true not guilty – faster end of investigation better). If Trump is guilty, but gets off, that means the process failed; yet was some punishment (false not guilty). And of course, we’ll never know the true truth, only the final judgement (if a trial), or a report without a trial (implied not guilty).
Let’s note that more info is being shown how the Dems used social media and lies to interfere with democracy in the Roy Moore case — there’s likely to be more crimes committed by Dems there.
“…all this treason…”
Actually, “all this treason leads back” to Obama, Hillary Clinton, Loretta Lynch and the DOJ, and all of those who promised that Trump would NOT get elected.
How did they know Trump would NOT get elected?
Because of their “insurance policy”.
Except that the insurance policy didn’t quite work the way it was supposed to. Hillary’s election was such a sure thing that the Democrats persuaded themselves that they didn’t have to cheat at the polls as much as they could have. As much as we saw this past November.
Mueller’s job is to discover and uncover (that is, to invent) “treason” so as to cover up the treason of all those above (and the many others who assisted in suborning the DOJ and the Constitution, generally).
Mueller is the “insurance policy” for the insurance policy.
Mueller is the cover up for the cover up.
The Obama presidency, Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party must be protected at all costs.
At ALL costs.
(And Trump and anyone who dares support him must be destroyed. At all costs.)
Debra Heine nails it (as most everyone who’s been in a certain kind of dysfunctional relationship eventually learns the hard way):
“…if you want to know what Democrats are up to, pay attention to the lies they are telling about Republicans…”
https://pjmedia.com/trending/former-obama-tech-guy-behind-2018-midterm-disinformation-campaign-on-facebook/
No, it isn’t at all pleasant; but at least you can tell yourself that you learned something…and if you survive it, well, you’re (at least in theory) the stronger for it.
Mueller is an offensive distraction to Trump — with Trump knowing he’s not guilty of that stuff. But he doesn’t have a GOP which supports him. Much of the GOPe are RINOs who don’t like him, don’t want a Wall, DO want endless wars (they DID like the tax cuts); don’t mind huge deficits so much.
Agreed. I keep comparing Trump to Perot in 1992. If Perot had won, and he might have if not for his summer craziness, he would be as isolated but the Deep State was not as well entrenched. Trump is better prepared as a negotiator. Perot had built a company but he was not used to dealing with pols, like Trump is. Trump spent decades dealing with crooked NYC and New Jersey pols.
These people who are fighting him, like Mueller and Rosenstein, have been in government for half a century. They have never dealt with someone like him.
the procedural crime of lying about sharing Trump poling data with a Russian operative.
It is lucky for us that the left is so stupid. Imagine sharing polling data ! Read the f***ing New York nTimes !
“…who say it didn’t happen that way and/or it’s been exaggerated and/or you shouldn’t care.”
And/or—most importantly—that it’s just one humdinger of a whacked-out conspiracy theory by a whacked-out president and his whacked-out supporters.
…which, in the end, is merely a demonstration of the breathtaking beauty of the whole plan. The extraordinary elegance and sophistication of the structure. The sheer ingenuity—and attention to detail—of this brilliantly-conceived, nefarious plot.
And so for those myriads eager to dismiss this greatest, most extensive, most complex political scandal in American history, the very claim that a scandal EXISTS smacks of conspiracy theory by a deranged cohort of shite-spewing white supremacists. In other words, by the over 40% of voters who helped elect Donald Trump.
(And can be laughingly dismissed by all those who while they might be factually forlorn are morally magnificent.)
What? All this supposedly done by…
A fine, upstanding popular president who subverts the law? (What kind of nonsense is that?!!)
A president who consistently performs, with all serious mien, end-runs around the Consititution? (What are you smoking?!!)
A president who suborns government agencies and sics them on private citizens? (Are you nuts?!!)
A president who targets journalists and media organizations…or, more precisely, certain journalists and one specific media organization? (You’re hallucinating!!)
A president who manipulates the media (albeit an oh-so-willing media) and brags about it? (You’re off your meds!!)
A president whose modus operandi is to claim benevolence—to “help”, to “assist”, to “improve”, to “better”, to “benefit”, to “pursue peace”, to “lead from behind”…so as to all too successfully pull the wool over an unsuspecting populace?? (You must be joking!!)
A president who consistently subverts a certain ally while claiming how utterly important the alliance is and how he has done his utmost to keep it strong? (Don’t get me started. What planet are you on??! He’s one of the best friends Israel has ever had!!)
Could such a fine individual devise such a consummately evil conspiracy?….
True, a few inopportune communications (a few hundred? A few thousand?) did come to light. (Now how In tarnation did any of that information get released?? How the freaking pluperfect did any of those emails see the light of day!!??).
But the MSM did its absolute best to ignore what it could and then spin the rest. “Boys will be boys”, I guess. Besides, Trump deserved it….
That’s right.
Mueller (et al.) and the MSM have orchestrated a virtuosic campaign of denunciation and demonization so vehement, so venomous, so vicious against Trump and those who continue to support him that even in the unlikely event that the facts of this extraordinarily dark scandal be widely publicized, the likely response will be NOT shock, anger and dismay at a rogue Democratic Party, or feelings of betrayal by Obama and his merrye band of “patriotic” criminals; but instead responses of “So what? Serves Trump right. He deserves everything he gets…and his supporters, too. Those [insert expletive here] bigots.”
Indeed, the Democrats and the MSM and Mueller (etc.) have wrought their plan exceeding well.
Leaving one only to wonder what indeed the consequnces will necessarily be….
Leaving one only to wonder what indeed the consequences will necessarily be….
It helps to have studied the French Revolution.
All this stuff is interesting however if I pay too much attention it puts me in a crappy morose mood, I don’t like that. As for the comments I do enjoy reading most of them as Mike K. references above about sharing polling data with the Russians, huh? What kind of secret was the polling information, Top Secret Super Crypto from underground Maryland NSA, CIA or any other initials? I don’t think so, if fact I don’t think it was government info at all with a secret value so I would classify it as a Manju level 5 intelligence piece with the importance of a house fly Manju 2 which as we know is a creature that eats crap and bothers people, hardly worth getting up for a fly swatter.
Mike K on January 10, 2019 at 10:31 am at 10:31 am said:
the procedural crime of lying about sharing Trump poling data with a Russian operative.
It is lucky for us that the left is so stupid. Imagine sharing polling data ! Read the f***ing New York nTimes !
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..or maybe not …
https://www.mediaite.com/print/new-york-times-makes-major-correction-to-report-on-manafort-and-russian-oligarch/
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/01/blockbuster-russia-collusion-story-collapses-ny-times-issues-devastating-correction/
“…major correction…”
Heh.
Again? Another “correction”?
And on what page does this one appear?, pray tell.
And so what?
That sucker has already been loosed around the globe.
And it’s believed—and relished—by those who eagerly wish to. Or even by those who don’t so eagerly wish to.
“Just another brick in the wall” of a factually AND morally dead MSM.
Yawn.
Just another MSM lie.
So what. The damage has already been done…a trillion times over.
(Though perhaps one ought ask, to whom?)
The Democratic Party’s plans for more crime
https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/h-r-1-democrats-act-to-strip-state-powers-over-elections/
http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/spitfires-of-the-us-navy.html
What was later known as the Curtiss Sea Gull. I so want a wall.