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  1. It seems to me based on first impressions that the biggest problem with the concept is portability. I am a Federalist in spirit; but, this is a very mobile society now, and so many issues cross state lines. It seems to me that if government is going to get into the health care business, it must insure some uniformity across the states. Otherwise, variations in state health care laws impose a de facto restriction on where people can choose to live. This is a little more fundamental than requiring a person to get a new driver’s license when relocating.

    The issue of pre-existing conditions is fraught. My granddaughter who will turn 26 next month, was just declared “cured” of leukemia after five years. Now, leaving her parent’s coverage, she must shop for her own insurance. When she approaches a carrier–her employer does not recognize the HMO that she now uses–would she be protected under the continuously covered provision? It is rhetorical in her case, because she will have made the move before Congress acts, if it ever does. But, her situation may be illustrative of the complexities.

  2. Oldflyer:

    See this as well as this.

    Also see this:

    [Cassidy] also said it’s not true that states would be allowed to offer unaffordable plans that are out of reason for many people.

    “That’s actually not true, because under our bill … the coverage has to be ‘adequate and affordable,'” he said.

    When asked who would determine what is “adequate and affordable,” he said that decision would be made by the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

    “We think that if you say ‘adequate and affordable,’ a reasonable person would say it’s got to be about the same price,” he said.

    “It has to be approved by the secretary of HHS,” Cassidy added. “This is not left up to the insurance company.”

    He also said most people who argue the bill would allow companies to dramatically raise premiums are simply defending Obamacare from any change.

    “It’s possible that someone has a different definition of affordable,” he said. “But typically those people who have different definitions are trying to protect Obamacare, think it’s the only way to be, and therefore they attempt to discredit our plan.”

    Will they remain adequate and affordable? Did they remain so under Obamacare? Believe him or don’t believe him, but neither program can protect people from the realities of the costs of the health care marketplace.

  3. I’m not a fan of Rand Paul and though I too lack the expertise needed to evaluate the Graham/Cassidy Bill, Paul’s objections to it make sense to me: “Rand Paul: ‘Graham/Cassidy Bill Is Barely ObamaCare Lite’

    To me, the key objections Paul lists are,

    “Graham/Cassidy doesn’t repeal a single ObamaCare insurance regulation. All of the Title 1 rules, the Essential Health Benefit rules, all of them – they’re still in place here.

    “Graham/Cassidy won’t fix our health care problems, and it will become a permanent drain on the treasury — one that is already $20 trillion in debt, with a $700 billion deficit next year,” Paul continues. And that is unacceptable.

    I’m worried about what happens when premiums continue to go up double digits (and they will). I’m worried about what happens when the system continues its downward spiral, but this time it is “GOP/TrumpCare” that gets blamed. And they will.”

    On the other hand, Schumer is adamant that the bill must be defeated with backing from MoveOn.org, Planned Parenthood, the Center for American Progress Action Fund, AFL-CIO and other leftist advocacy groups.

    They claim that the Graham-Cassidy bill eliminates the Obamacare individual mandate that requires every American to purchase health insurance.

    That mandate is essential to single payer, so this may indeed be the best that’s achievable.

  4. This issue is so frustrating. Philosophically I tend to agree with Paul and the more conservative legislators but at the same time it’s like they are still fighting the last war. A war they lost, sadly. Right now we need to just get what we can, unfortunately.

    It’s all just a matter of time until the next generation that loves single payer comes into power, anyway.

  5. I trust a Republican doctor from the South way before I would trust Rahm Emanuel’s brother the doctor.

    The fact that Lindsay Graham is a co-sponsor suggests to me that McCain might vote for it.

  6. And when did a third rate comedian get a veto over important federal policy?

    Neo:

    As I guessed. McCain didn’t want to go out with that one big negative vote.

  7. people with existing conditions should take their bills to Jimmy Kimmel’s front door and have him pay for it. The solution is quite simple, instead of blowing their money on drugs ho and booze why can’t wealthy liberals just pay out of their pockets to help the unfortunate ones instead of making everyone do it.

  8. I would guess that to actually remove the provisions that Paul objects to would also remove the bill from the reconciliation method of passage.
    So, maybe to comply with the 50+1 reconciliation method, they’re targeting a “back door” process that would keep those provisions, but probably be very lenient with issuing waivers (by HHS agency procedure — all it needs is a pen?) to exactly those provisions that Paul objects to.
    …just a guess.
    Oh, and IIRC, my state, Colorado, had a taxpayer subsidized “high risk” pool for uninsurables & high-premium folks. I don’t recall hearing complaints re: same.

  9. When you have to appeal to McCain you know it will be ACA lite. Even where single payer, aka Big Brother, prevails, those who can afford it have supplimentary private insurance. Insurance is an old business that covered things like shipping loses… medical expenses exploded with the advent of ‘health insurance’.

    Shipping, flood, crop, tornado, hurican, car, and house insurance is fine by me. But medical care has been expense ever since individuals stopped paying out of pocket. The medical system loves insurance because it can charge beyond what the average individual can afford out of pocket.

  10. ColoComment:

    If you follow those links I gave, it’s the case that most states had high-risk pools that were subsidized depending on need. I was in such a high-risk pool for a while. Most of the time, the situation only applied to people who needed individual insurance rather than group and who had risk factors. In my case (and this is very typical) I had risk factors and was self-employed, which meant that underwriting could be applied and my premiums went through the roof (something like 12K or 13K a year for a 10K—or was it 15K—deductible). In other words, this was extremely expensive catastrophic insurance. So the state offered the high-risk pool to people like me, which meant that I had several choices, but I chose a 10K deductible and paid about 5K a year. If I had been eligible, I could have gotten a subsidy for that, but I didn’t qualify. It was still quite high but it was better than nothing, and I felt the need for catastrophic insurance and so that’s what I got.

    Many many states had programs like that. Other states were “guaranteed issue” states, which is sort of like Obamacare in that no one could be denied even with a pre-existing condition. You can read more about the rules on a state-by-state basis here. The situation was widely misrepresented (that is, lied about) in the media prior to the passage of Obamacare and it’s lied about today.

  11. Excuse me, I’ve read that this bill is already dying.

    Zero Democrat support.

    And there are crippling fissures within the GOP.

    I suspect that 0-care is going to have to be salami’d back.

    And that a Big Part of its repeal will occur by raw economics.

    No matter how many times I post it: no-one addresses the fact that NOTHING in any of these bills addresses COSTS.

    They don’t make ANY provision for more talent supply. Not one bit.

    We’re not even graduating doctors in tempo with our population growth — and it’s an aging population.

    We’re still ‘getting by’ — by importing// brain draining the Third World.

    Which is a crime.

  12. blert:

    Of course they don’t address cost. I think that’s understood. If they directly and forcefully addressed cost, Americans wouldn’t stand for how many people would experience hardship.

    I think the idea, though, is that states have more cost constraints than the federal government and would be more inclined than the federal government to try to tailor their rules to limit costs.

    I don’t know whether the bill will pass, but it doesn’t need a single Democrat to pass. It just needs nearly all the Republicans. I don’t think they ever expected to get a single Democratic vote.

  13. To me, the key thing to Obamacare repeals or quasi repeals is whether it defends an important constitutional issue.

    One of the darkest days of my life, politically speaking, was the day I woke up and heard the news that the Chief Justice John Roberts had switched his decision and decided that Obamacare WAS constitutional so long as he unconstitutionally rewrote the law to redefine the individual mandate penalty as a tax.

    The first article I had read on Graham-Cassidy a few days ago, suggested that the individual mandate was intact (because John Kasich wanted to retain it). Commenter Geoffrey B says it kills it. The Hill, says nothing about it on its front web page. Town Hall and Nat. Rev. (uhg) says it kills it. So I guess Geoffrey is correct?

    It seems to me that everyone is busy tapping at their calculator trying to see how the infinite variations impact their own personal bottom line. But to my eye, if the individual mandate, as re-conceived by John Roberts, stays intact for a couple decades, then Katy Bar The Door.

    If the gov. of California wants to force CA citizens to worship the redwoods for one week out of the year, or else pay a $10K penalty, um tax, it would NOT be unconstitutional any more. If some future president said that all households must have a loaded firearm, or else pay a $20K penalty/tax, it wouldn’t be unconstitutional.

    I could kvetch and wine some more, but I feel like no one else gets this stuff. A large part of the pickle we are in, is connected to the fact that the constitutional principles of “equal protection” and the “interstate commerce clause” have been completely perverted.

    I was shocked recently when I saw some of the original James Madison language on the interstate commerce clause. It was intended as a “negative and preventive provision.” It gave the feds the power to strip state regulation of commerce, not to enable the feds to add regulation of commerce. It is now routinely used by the feds to add regulation.

  14. TommyJay:

    The federal individual mandate was dropped by Graham-Cassidy.

    Obamacare levies penalties on most Americans who don’t have health insurance and larger employers who don’t provide affordable coverage for their workers. The bill would eliminate the penalty, retroactive to 2016.

    So, no federal mandate. However, it is my understanding (although I can’t find anything that directly address this) that states could have a state mandate if they so wished. But there is nothing in the Constitution to prevent that.

  15. TommyJay:

    You write “If the gov. of California wants to force CA citizens to worship the redwoods for one week out of the year, or else pay a $10K penalty, um tax, it would NOT be unconstitutional any more. ”

    I hate to break it to you, but yes, it would be unconstitutional because it would violate the separation of church and state, albeit at the state but not the federal level. So it would violate their First Amendment rights. It’s not only the feds who are not allowed to do but the states are not allowed to do it either, because the First Amendment has also been ruled to apply to the states.

  16. Yes, there really was little “wrong” with the health insurance/care situation pre-PPACA that couldn’t have been adjusted with a bit of tweaking.
    The best option IMHO was the HSA/High deductible policy option that was really beginning to take off when it was outlawed by O’care. Subsidize the HSA account for those who meet some defined standards. But otherwise, keep the sticky fingers of gov’t out of it & let consumers compete for insurance & services.

    And, if SCt can overturn Plessy v Ferguson, and expand Constitutional”rights” to those shadowed by penumbras, and call a penalty a tax in one part of a law and call it a penalty in another part of a law, then it maybe could some day overturn Wickard v. Filburn. Not likely, but wouldn’t it be GREAT? 🙂

  17. Tinkering at the margins with a healthy dose of kabuki theater.

    I’ll pay attention when they, Congress, actually do something.

  18. I’m with Blert on this. No one is talking about how much health care entitlements cost.

    In fiscal year 2015, according to the CMS.gov (the Centers for Medicaid and Medicare spending) Medicare spending was $646 billion and Medicaid spending was $545 billion of which $201 billion was from state budgets.

    Private health insurance spending was $2.4 trillion and out of pocket spending was $338 billion for the total NHE (National Health Expenditures) spending of $3.2 trillion or $9,990 per person.

    I had read estimates that the federal deficit was expected to rise back to $1 trillion annually by 2020– though that figure might be lower due to increased economic growth in the economy.

    Leaving aside all the arguments why the government isn’t the best vehicle for making national healthcare decisions, no one is talking about how they are going to raise the revenue to pay the $800 billion deficit spending by government medical spending right now.

    Would some politician somewhere please explain how we’re going to pay for the services the government already provides (and please no waste, fraud and abuse– though there is plenty of that (especially waste) in government spending).

    The liberal argument for Medicare for all is by the magic hand of the government, they can take the $2.4 trillion dollars in spending from private health insurance and reduce spending by $700 billion dollars, all the while offering the same level of service.

    They say they’re going to do that in two ways, if I understand the argument. Reducing payments to healthcare providers (the power of monopoly) and stripping the administrative costs and profit that the healthcare insurance companies presently reap.

    Is that possible?

  19. One advantage of block granting the ACA spending to the states is that states technically can’t run deficits. I think in practice they do run deficits by accounting gimmickry.

    As to the government running healthcare policy– in a sense they already do.

    I recently had an issue common to mature men. My PSA level went from 4 to 11, one year to the next. I asked for a second test to make sure that wasn’t an error and the doctor refused to authorize it, telling me that medicare wouldn’t pay for two tests that close together.
    I’m not on medicare but private company insurance– and he still resisted, though I finally browbeat him into authorizing it.

    I got the impression he would get a black mark on his record for that.

    Is it possible the government is already keeping track of what type of care doctors are dispensing?

  20. From over at Ann Althouse’s blog (posted @8:40 AM) an interesting aside:

    “So, striking a deal with the Democrats on the budget, President Trump – and the Democrats Pelosi and Schumer – opened up another chance for Republicans to repeal Obamacare. That’s striking.” [Thomas Kaplan]

    “Is Trump that crafty? Did Schumer and Pelosi fall into a trap? I’m inclined to answer those questions yes if only because the 2 NYT reporters – who I doubt would give Trump any extra credit – made me think about it that way.” [Ann Althouse]

  21. sex or membership in a protected class under the Constitution of the United States

    Someday the United States will abolish its noble classes to become democratic.

  22. . . . and yet, again, today from Steven Hayward:

    ” . . . just about every time I think he’s [i.e., Trump] blundered or shown himself not up to the job, something changes my mind as the dust settles.”

    “And about his two recent semi-deals with Chuck and Nancy that I dumped all over a few days ago. Today those deals look rather different in their impact going forward.”

    The link:

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/09/why-trump-is-so-much-fun.php

    We tend to forget that Trump was initially educated not in “The Academy” but in military school and is undoubtedly familiar with the military history of diversion and feint attacks and how they can be successfully used.

    It has been a fascinating 8 months.

  23. Ann Althouse, the prophetess that foresees all right.

    Didn’t somebody vote for Hussein that had some similarity in naming, let me check…

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2016/01/why-i-quit-watching-debate-halfway.html

    Let’s see, Althouse, althouse… there we go.

    I did go on to vote for Obama. I voted for him before I voted against him (in 2012). Or… it’s more accurate to say: I voted against McCain before I voted against Obama. I’m just not that enthusiastic about political candidates.

    When you can’t vote your conscience, don’t vote. If you don’t have a conscience, just roll the coin. What’s the worse that can happen, the IRS blows up the Tea Party protests?

    T Says:
    September 21st, 2017 at 3:05 pm
    From over at Ann Althouse’s blog (posted @8:40 AM) an interesting aside:

    Might as well pay attention to Goldmansachs admin criticizing Cruz’s wife for being a Gold Man sachs employee in the past.

  24. It’s all just a matter of time until the next generation that loves single payer comes into power, anyway.

    People will call them immature and ignore them for using Rocket Man.

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