Violence at Ohio State University
UPDATE 4:39 PM
In what comes as no surprise to any human being on earth (with the possible exceptions of President Obama and Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau, and Obama would be pretending), the attacker has been identified as a recent Somali refugee and a student at Ohio State University. His name is Abdul Razak Artan, and he gave a brief interview to the school newspaper on August 25 of this year (page 5 here), in which he said he was a transfer student from Columbus State, and complained about the lack of prayer rooms at OSU and the bad press Muslims have gotten in general:
I wanted to pray in the open, but I was kind of scared with everything going on in the media,” he stated. “I’m a Muslim, it’s not what the media portrays me to be.”
I wonder what the media will portray him to be this time.
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This is a breaking story, and as such the facts are subject to revision. But here is what we know so far:
Police confirm the suspect who drove a car into a crowd of people and began attacking them with a butcher knife on the campus of The Ohio State University is dead.
Columbus fire officials tell NBC4 nine people were transported to local hospitals, and all nine victims have non-life-threatening injuries…
OSU president Michael Drake says the sole suspect drove a car into a group of people, got out and began to cut them with a butcher knife. A police officer arrived within a minute of the attack and shot and killed the attacker.
“Within one minute”—that’s a very very speedy response, which is good. But it shows just how much damage can be done with “ordinary” weapons like a car and a knife, and how quickly.
In other, only tangentially related news, Charleston church shooter Dylan Roof is being allowed to represent himself in his trial. I am uncomfortable with this, as was the judge who decided it. This is a capital murder case, and although I have no sympathy whatsoever with Roof himself and his heinous crime, I think the bar for declaring someone able to defend him/herself in a death penalty case should be especially high, because of the extreme gravity of the outcome and the need for a fair trial.
Roof may indeed be competent to stand trial in the sense that he is able understand the charges and to assist in his or her defense by cooperating with counsel. But that’s a far cry from handling the defense himself. But perhaps once someone is declared competent, he/she is considered by law to be competent in making the decision to defend him/herself, too.
Will we need a replacement Somali refugee?
I really have to wonder if his “heart” was in to the attack. He drives a car in to a crowd then attacks with a knife, but there are no life threatening injuries??? Makes me wonder if this was more of a suicide by cop than anything else.
LCB,
Just because you are on a mission from allah to kill infidels, it is not automatic that you are skilled in the art of jihad.
True enough. Maybe he thought just waving the knife caused people to j-magically fall over dead…yah know, like in the movies! 🙂
This little oxygen thief didn’t have to be good, he just had to do what he did. And,the little scum is dead! Good .
Terrible!
I look forward to the time when we will no longer be given law enforcement’s usual knee-jerk theory that the attack has nothing to do with terrorism or Islam, followed by a lecture by Obama.
This only once again underscores why it is important to pack heat and have as many trained and armed people with conceal carry permits everywhere, campuses included. I understood this only a year ago during my trip to Israel. Here I could be sure that response to any terrorist attack will happen not in minutes, but in seconds, – so many armed people everywhere, soldiers, police, off-duty soldiers on the way home or to their bases, with their automatic riffles, girls included. This created the sense of safety even when a real terrorism menace was present in much bigger scale than in any other country.
We need another term.
“terror” includes having a political end, or motivation.
We need a term for guys like this who go all jihadi because they like to to that stuff and think Allah backs them.
Simply saying this has nothing to do with (the narrow definition of) terror doesn’t cover the issue.
Sergey,
I am against needing a permit to carry. I don’t need a permit to buy a book or check one out of the library. Likewise, I should not need a permit to carry concealed or open. Now that the gop controls the governor mansion and both houses of the legislature, Gun Owners of Iowa with support of the NRA will push for Constitutional carry in Iowa.
The problem with needing a permit to carry are many. First a State can set arbitrary standards, secondly if a permit is required it becomes a matter of the permit holder now on a list that can be searched by anyone or any agency of the feds as it is a public record, and third it can subject the permit holder to harassment by political organizations. And finally it makes one a target for criminals who wish to turn the permit holder’s firearms into cash on the streets of Chicago (for example).
No law can prevent the criminal use of a firearm.
Parker:
Good points all. And now that the GOP controls the White House and Congress, it is time to drop the restrictions on suppressors (so-called “silencers”.) They are not used in crimes, and suppressing the noise of the muzzle blast is good for the shooter and those around him. It’s an old law that serves no useful purpose.
“I don’t know what made him act like that,” Ouham said. “He don’t drink. He don’t smoke. He don’t use narcotics. They’re very nice people.”
Gee I don’t know what would cause him to do that, He was a very good obedient Muslim. Sorry to say this, but I’m glad the police officer saved us taxpayers some $$.
And to those that worship at the diversity altar = How does that work with cancer cells in the body? And like normal cells to cancer cells- “You say these different cells will make us more diverse and that is good?”
F,
Thanks, I agress on suppressers, but I want to see a repeal of the 1934 act. I have no desire to own a full auto firearm, but I do not fear those who wish to do so.
No law can prevent the criminal use of a firearm.
Opps, I agree.
He was a Somali, so what do we expect? Performance art with car and knife?
Seriously, I’d prefer a close encounter with a pistol-wielder, as opposed to a knife-slasher. Tough to defend yourself against a long, sharp knife.
Those knife injuries may not be fatal, but the knives slash tendons, arteries, veins, nerves, muscles, and these slashed victims may be in for long, tedious and incomplete recoveries. A single slash to the neck targets the blood vessels AND the nerves to the arm. Even with immediate surgery with microscopically-aided resuturing of slashed structures, recovery is usually not 100%.
The only refugees I want to see admitted to the US are white Europeans fleeing statism and the Muslim refugee onslaught from both the Mideast and Northwest Africa. The Euros share our culture and our values. Muslim believers do not, will not.
Well the police officer did the right thing;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mur-c5IiWJI
Prog, I disagree about knife-wounds. You can survive multiple lacerations, even having your throat cut. I worked nights in an inner-city ER for seven years, the designated trauma center for Portland, Oregon.
Few assailants know what they’re doing when their chosen or only available weapon is a knife. Lacerations and puncture wounds may bleed a lot but rarely end up being fatal.
Gunshot wound victims tend much more often to “lose their will to live.”
miklos:
I understood he used a “butcher knife” to slash, not stab, his victims.
My point was not about fatality, but about the severity of even a single slash with a sharp butcher knife.
Hats off for your 7 ER years! Though Portland, being so liberal, should be so peaceful and sublime, no?
Ftog (excuse me for previously mis-typing Prog): No, North Portland, where almost all black people here live, is not too “peaceful and sublime.” Same as it ever was, plus Mexican mafia, Crips and Bloods and serenity-inducing crystal meth.
and then I mistype again. Frog, not Ftog. Sorry. I have MS, and it’s cold in here.
Richard,
How about the term of “Marterror?” This combines martyr and terror which is what they want to accomplish.
Sounds lazy. He couldn’t be bothered to put in the effort to get a firearm or even some simple explosives. This guy is getting, at most, 12-15 virgins, and not necessarily the lookers either. I mean, some of them are virgins for a *reason*, you know.
I thought the federal ban on suppressors was already lifted a while back? Aren’t they available online now? I only have revolvers so I don’t follow the suppressor situation very closely.
If they became available here (NJ – not holding my breath) I might be tempted to get something with a subsonic round (.45ACP probably) for some quiet target practice.
LCB Says:
November 28th, 2016 at 2:37 pm
David Wood totally explains what’s going on with this jihadi, and many another.
This is MUST SEE exposition:
While pointed towards Paris, his remarks are universally true for Muslims in the West.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ePVxRLDM0
Suicide jihad resolves cognitive dissonance.
David Wood is an interesting fellow. His best friend for years on end debated Christianity and Islam.
Eventually, his Muslim friend converted to Christianity.
As for Wood, he spend all of his early life as an atheist.
Now, he’s a Christian, too.
His cross knowledge of Islam and Christianity is vast.
He has a slew of videos up on YouTube.
The one cited here, above, is dead on target.
Miklos – Pardon the digression. You said that gunshot victims more often lose the will to live. What do you mean? How much of survival do you think is will? I always see this on TV shows where they tell the victim to stay awake, keep talking, whatever. Does that matter? Is it simply that a conscious person is able to communicate with the doctors, and avoid aggravating their injuries, or does a struggle to stay alert really have an effect?
My reading of the OSU interview with Artan was that it was the first day of classes. He stated he was new, the campus was large and he didn’t know where he could pray. I took his words as he didn’t where the rooms were, not that there weren’t enough. Of course, a later interview may have mentioned the numbers issue.
Gees, when I went to Michigan, I was new, the campus was large and I was very capable of finding the nearest Catholic parish. And, I had to use the Yellow Pages to do so since we didn’t have smart phones and the internet back then.
No big deal.
Another point that I have read/heard was that there was a gas leak report in a nearby building. So that is why there were a lot of students outside and why there were police and fire nearby. If that hadn’t been the case, response time would have been much longer with more people injured.
Liz says, “Gees, when I went to Michigan, I was new, the campus was large and I was very capable of finding the nearest Catholic parish. And, I had to use the Yellow Pages to do so since we didn’t have smart phones and the internet back then.”
But it is a big deal. You had to not feel sorry for yourself and you had to be resourceful. The university failed you. You were maligned.
If you’re a Muslim upset at the bad press Muslim murderers get, going on a murderous rampage is sure to turn that around!
blert commented, “Suicide jihad resolves cognitive dissonance.”
Exactly. It resolves ALL KINDS of “shame issues”.
For all we know this doofus was flunking out of his “logistics management” (or whatever it was) classes.
Receiving failing grades would be especially difficult for somebody from an “honor/shame” culture that teaches “Muslims are the best and most-favored of people”… One can assume this fellow was an Affirmative Action admit anyway; upon finding he was unable to handle the load (while so many others seemed to breeze right through) you can kinda-sorta understand how he would defensively start to believe “It’s because I’m MUSLIM that all the teachers give me such poor grades!!”
For some borderline-personality types, it’s only a small step from that point to “I’ll SHOW YOU ALL that you should have treated me -a Proud Muslim- with greater respect!!”
Great link, blert. We have to understand and counter the jihadi ideology. To do other is to keep shadow boxing with the devil.
That is the reason why nobody from shame-honor culture should be allowed to live in USA. This is an insufferable experience for them which drive them to insanity and violent outbursts, including terrorism. People from 7-century culture just do not belong in modern societies and should not allowed to enter them.
Miklos — Pardon the digression. You said that gunshot victims more often lose the will to live. What do you mean? How much of survival do you think is will? I always see this on TV shows where they tell the victim to stay awake, keep talking, whatever. Does that matter? Is it simply that a conscious person is able to communicate with the doctors, and avoid aggravating their injuries, or does a struggle to stay alert really have an effect?
From my own research, there are several reasons why people die from gunshots during the trip to the hospital. Shock, organ failure, blood loss, and various physiological related stimuli. There are various instances where people think they were shot, and believed it so strongly, that they collapsed as if they were shot. It’s because they have mentally trained their body to mimic what they have seen on tv and in their imaginations. Later on, the medics check on them and they haven’t been shot at all. Physiologically, if a person believes enough that something has killed them or made them sick, they can cause their own body to replicate that state. This is correlated in my research to those who were healed by faith, prayers, or impossible to explain from a doctor’s pov.
TV shows… indeed, many people get their idea of life and death battle from tv shows. But in those shows, the first aid treatment for shock and blood loss is to keep the patient warm, and conscious only because of the risk of coma inducing concussions (heavy). Perhaps it may help their mental state as well.
miklos000rosza Says:
November 28th, 2016 at 8:35 pm
Prog, I disagree about knife-wounds. You can survive multiple lacerations, even having your throat cut. I worked nights in an inner-city ER for seven years, the designated trauma center for Portland, Oregon.
Few assailants know what they’re doing when their chosen or only available weapon is a knife. Lacerations and puncture wounds may bleed a lot but rarely end up being fatal.
Gunshot wound victims tend much more often to “lose their will to live.”
Frog Says:
November 28th, 2016 at 8:56 pm
miklos:
I understood he used a “butcher knife” to slash, not stab, his victims.
My point was not about fatality, but about the severity of even a single slash with a sharp butcher knife.
Cross referencing my experience with my research, I would say Miklos is correct about damage from slashing attacks. That is because unless one hits an artery, a major one not a capillary stuck near the skin, the “arterial blood gushing” doesn’t come out in the vivid red/pink looking blood. A lot of the slower bleeding is vein loss, non oxygenated blood, which is blackish/rust colored. Losing that type of blood doesn’t cause serious issues, until a certain point is reached. Thus slashing attacks have to be pinpoint, usually against major arteries such as the neck, using Incredible Strength or mechanically, a longer blade that cuts deeper. For example, an axe, a kukri, a one handed machete, or a hand and a half short sword with one slash could easily have the speed to cut into the body’s major arteries, past the muscles and skin, plus organs too. With a kitchen knife, one would have to have either incredible technique/accuracy, or massive strength (the hand and arm strength necessary to snap a person’s upper spinal cord via torsion). Somalis aren’t known for having American level physiques though.
There are prison attacks which the qrf took too many minutes to respond to, where the victim was stabbed by a makeshift blade 24+ times. That’s because it took that many hits to actually kill the person.
Stab attacks generally cause more damage than slash attacks. Stab attacks are also more likely to kill, because so long as the stab is to the torso, if it reaches far enough it will hit an organ and the difference between organ damage leading to failure and death due to exsanguination of blood from veins, is large.
One of the reported sentry kill methods in WWII was to stab a knife into the side of the sentry, then carve/push out in front, to exit. That way if the stab doesn’t kill or exsanguinate the target, the blade will cut the arteries going forward, and the vocal cords will also be severed if the person tries to yell while he is dying.
One of the more beneficial uses to a heavy cutting blade such as the Chinese dao or the Japanese katana or daisho combo, is that even if a person is trying to fend off the overhead slash with his arms, it is not enough resistance to matter. One needs armored forearm guards to deflect that blow. One slash will cut through both wrists, and still imbed deep enough into the head or torso to produce a mortal wound. Given modern standards of people who use stainless steel wall hangers, though, the best reported result from home invasions has been death by exsanguination after the invader left the room after being slashed a few times. Not an instant kill nor a mortal one, if that person could retreat to his car from the house.
The good thing about firearms, what it makes an equalizer, is that one doesn’t need strength or skill to kill. The bullet and gun does most of the work. The user just needs to supply accuracy. But applies even more to melee weapons, especially ones that don’t offer much of a mechanical advantage. The less skilled you are, the less intent you are on the kill, the weaker you are, the worse results you get.
Given modern medical treatment and facilities, once a stab or slash victim gets to a hospital and can be treated for blood loss, their chances of dying go down significantly. However, that is why in some older martial arts, lunges and stabs are trained so that when you penetrate the target, you immediately twist your wrist and pull it out to On guard position. This enlarges the wound cavity, to the size of a .45 exit hole if not larger, except on the entrance hole. This produces greater blood loss and damage. For a stab that goes through the entire torso, with no armor blocking it as resistance, a twist and jerk will also reach some of the internal organs. By the time that guy gets to a hospital, he is already bled out. Internal bleeding is far harder to see and stop after all. If his organs fail, that’s even better for a kill percentage.
As for Frog’s scenario of gun vs blade, the gun has the advantage of range, but also the same disadvantage. Meaning, for situations where a target is in blade range, the gun is also in range. That’s bad for the gun user, since the gun user wants to pull range on the blade user and for certain shooting stances, trying to shoot someone rotating around you or charging you within 5m, isn’t necessarily all that optimal either. It’s why bayonets were fitted onto rifles. Get something that is good against all ranges, that you can switch to immediately.
For firearm users, to deal with CQB attacks, they generally have to free their non primary arm for a physical defense or counter, while using their primary arm to attack with the firearm, mostly from a hip draw. It is significantly different from the two handed, bring the iron sights to eye, stance taught as orthodox for medium to long distance shooting at fixed targets (sidearms).
Sergey Says:
November 30th, 2016 at 1:25 pm
That is the reason why nobody from shame-honor culture should be allowed to live in USA. This is an insufferable experience for them which drive them to insanity and violent outbursts, including terrorism. People from 7-century culture just do not belong in modern societies and should not allowed to enter them.
The only society honor culture stereotypes would be good in is the US Marines or other sub cultures like that.
For a Muslim that has certain requirements from Allah, the closest organization in the US would be a Christian one, and one of more stricter lineages, such as Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Amish, or the LDS Mormons.
The Atheist, US University, sub culture has almost no tie in with a Muslim. And thus no ability to assimilate or convert. There’s no military philosophy and discipline. There’s no spiritual maintenance or theology.
Russia is also an honor culture, but people should ask why they don’t see the Chinese or Russians blowing themselves up in US cities.
Also, besides the pirates, Islamic Caliphate, Arab raiders, and steppe hordes, 7th century culture was pretty advanced compared to even 18th century European culture.
The problem isn’t honor, shame, or the 7th century. It’s Islam. The only ones that might truly understand what the US faces in the world, are religious fanatics or people who absorbed ancient martial beliefs.
The technological sophistication and advancement of human culture is often tied to science, but I would also tie it to the amount of faith people put into the supernatural gods. In the Christian and old Judaism wording, that would be Lucifer/Satan, the fallen angels, the Watchers, and the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim.
Islam is perceived by people as a mortal threat, and they don’t need to believe in the above. They could even be atheists, like the homosexuals after the club attack. People may not be able to figure out what god or gods have to do with their own life, but they know when people are butchering them from a list. That list isn’t a coincidence.
One thing to keep in note is that the reason why Islamic cultures praise suicide killers as jihadists and heroes, is because these Muslims actually act like sane people to their own people. To infidels, they are your enemies of course. But unlike sociopaths or psychopaths, these Muslims do care, in some way, about their own people and their own people’s perception of them. Something sociopaths and psychopaths usually have little concern with. That is not to say societies have not trained people with sociopathic tendencies. Those kinds of people are very useful depending on what role society has for them. For example, IRS enforcers. One doesn’t need Mr Rodgers or the Kind Patriot for that role.
Yamarsakar, it seems to me you do not correctly understand what shame-honor culture is. In every culture shame and honor play some role, but distinctive feature of Arab and some other muslim cultures is that in them shame and a honor serve as the only regulative factors of social behavior, while others, more important in Judeo-Christian culture, such as feeling of guilt and bad conscience, are conspicuosly abscent. That is why Arabs feel totaly free to lie and even do not feel ashamed at all when their lies are exposed. And Russia is not a shame-honor culture, and never was. Honor in Tsarist Russia was a distinctive feature of nobility and military officers, and of nobody else. Peasantry, mercants and even Chirch ministers were not expected to posess any honor. After Bolshevik revolution nobility either perished in Civil War or was driven to emigration, their prerogatives, honor included, were annuled, and the remnants perished in Stalin purges. That left Russia completely honor-free, and the after collapse of Soviet Union it became conscience-free too, that is, completely immoral.
A very good take on the topic:
21stcenturymasculinity.wordpress.com/2016/11/30/resurrecting-honor/
Ymar said “7th century culture was pretty advanced compared to even 18th century European culture.”
That assertion is beyond bizarre.