The Kirk assassination: were there accessories before the fact and/or accessories after the fact? [scroll down for UPDATE]

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The question of whether Tyler Robinson may have had accomplices is being investigated, and for good reason:

The feds have widened their investigation into the assassination of Charlie Kirk to probe whether pro-trans, online groups and others connected with Tyler Robinson knew in advance about the plan to kill the MAGA influencer, The Post has learned.

Law enforcement sources said that investigators are examining leftist groups both in Utah and online to figure out if they helped him with the shooting — or at least heard it was going to happen.

The probe includes groups in online gaming community Steam, as well as a pro-trans organization called Armed Queers SLC, which took down their Instagram after Kirk was killed, the source confirmed.

The question seems to be whether this was actual knowledge of what was to happen, and if so was it actionable knowledge and even assistance. Or were the type of discussions that are being revealed more a form of sick jokes, repulsive snark, and/or random threats, versus real knowledge? I don’t have the answer, but I hope the answer will emerge.

For example, someone with the moniker “Omar” wrote on September 9: “Charlie kirk is coming to my college tomorrow i rlly hope someone evaporates him literally.” and then “Lets just say something big will happen tomorrow” with a grinning dog photo. Then after the assassination, “Omar” wrote: “CHARLIE KIRK GOT SHOT BRO I PROMISE I DIDNT HSVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.”

Were these threats just trash talk, or something more?

In addition:

Another widely-shared archived post from a TikTok user appearing to be made a day before the shooting uses ominous music and a video of a person wearing glasses and what appears to be a medical scrubs cap accompanied by the disturbing text, “charles james kirk. mr. college dropout does NOT know what’s coming tomorrow. be ready… This isn’t a threat it’s a promise.”

The video was captioned “it’s a BADDD day to be charlie [tomorrow] #uvu #charliekirk #liberal #debate #fyp.”

And then there’s Robinson’s roommate (perhaps his trans lover) who received incriminating messages from Robinson:

When investigators contacted the roommate, he said Robinson “made a joke on Discord,” a social messaging app, which caused law enforcement to ask him to show them the messages, according to an arrest affidavit.

The messages from “Tyler” stated a “need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, messages related to visually watching the area where a rifle was left and a message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel,” the affidavit shows.

I haven’t read anything that gives much context to this; for example, what possible reason would there be to assume it was a joke, was it prior to the murder or after, was it to a group or to the roommate alone, what was the group, and what were the responses? If it was an attempt to get the roommate to actually retrieve the gun, it reminds me of the case of Charles Stuart in Boston, who got his brother Matthew to dispose of the gun thinking he was involved in an insurance scam when it actually was the murder of Charles Stuart’s wife. It was Matthew, by the way, who went to police and implicated Charles, and Matthew spent several years in prison for his own role.

And then there was Michael Fortier of the Oklahoma City bombing:

At state and federal bombing trials, Fortier testified he received stolen weapons that were sold to finance the bombing, shared money from their sale with McVeigh, handled blasting caps and other explosives and had the same anti-government literature that McVeigh gave Nichols.

Fortier also accompanied McVeigh on a trip where they cased the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building four months before it was bombed on April 19, 1995, killing 168 people and injuring more than 500 others.

Lori Fortier, who was granted immunity and never served prison time, also testified at McVeigh’s trial that she laminated a fake driver’s license for McVeigh with the name of one of the many aliases he used, Robert Kling. …

However, Aitan Goelman, a Washington attorney who served on the bombing prosecution team, said it is appropriate that Fortier is being freed.

“He has paid his debt to society,” Goelman said. “Knowing about a horrible crime and doing nothing to prevent it is on one side, and on the other side of the scale is the tremendous assistance he provided to the government in order to prosecute the guys who actually did the bombing.”

Fortier pled guilty to a lesser charge, gave the state important testimony, and his wife got off. He (or they?) have apparently been given new identity (identities?) and are in the witness protection program.

The investigation into the Kirk assassination and the involvement of others is still in its infancy. But even if the FBI determines there was no meaningful or actionable involvement, the conspiracy theories will never die – and it’s easy to see why.

UPDATE 6:15 PM:

Robinson appears to have confessed to his buddies on Discord, but very shortly before he turned himself in. Makes me wonder if he’ll plead guilty:

Tyler Robinson apparently confessed to killing conservative icon Charlie Kirk in an online message to nearly three dozen people the day after the assassination.

“Hey guys, I have bad news for you all,” reads a chat message purportedly sent by Robinson, 22, through online community Discord, according to the Washington Post.

“It was me at UVU yesterday. i’m sorry for all of this,” Robinson allegedly wrote.

“Im surrendering through a sheriff friend in a few moments. thanks for all the good times and laughs, you’ve all been so amazing, thank you all for everything.”

I don’t think this goes to the issue of whether they have any legal liability, if it truly happened right before he turned himself in. But the tone is fascinating, and shows either what a psychopath can do or how some people can compartmentalize their personalities.

Health update on my ex-husband

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The summary version: he’s (knock wood) doing a great deal better.

The major crisis – which lasted about four months and required three or four visits to the ER (I forget exactly how many), one hospital stay of several days, and about two and a half weeks in rehab – has mercifully passed. He still has a chronic degenerative illness plus a few other major odds and ends. But for now the intense new problems have mostly receded and he’s once again living successfully on his own – with a little nagging from me, of course.

I’m very grateful for all your prayers and good wishes.

Oliver and Fawn, together at last

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This story seemed so odd when I saw it that I wondered whether it was for real. But apparently, it is:

Oliver North and his loyal former secretary Fawn Hall reportedly married in secret last month — 40 years after their leading roles in the infamous Iran-Contra affair.

A copy of the couple’s marriage license, obtained by journalist Michael Isikoff, shows North, 81, and Hall, 65, were married in Arlington County, Virginia, on Aug. 27. …

After the scandal, Hall worked as a model in Hollywood, Calif., where she married Danny Sugarman, the manager of rock band The Doors, in 1993.

Hall was married to Sugarman until his death in 2005. …

North reconnected with Hall last December, at the funeral for his wife of 56 years, according to Isikoff, writing for the “SpyTalk” Substack page.

“She rekindled the relationship at the funeral,” a friend of the couple said. “They started spending time together.”

And there you have it.

The ripples of the Kirk assassination

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When a stone is dropped into water, it creates ripples that go outward from that center.

The work of Charlie Kirk and the aftermath of his public killing, plus the celebration of much of the left, is something that will have many effects that we are only dimly aware of at present. But just quickly, at this early date, I sense that his death is especially shocking to young student-age people who not only knew him from social media but who admired him even if they disagreed with him. It might wake at least some of them up to the danger of leftist thought and the truly hateful rhetoric that tried to make Kirk into some sort of demonic figure.

The left and the MSM are busy trying to spin this in any way possible to blame the right or to blame both sides. But I don’t think they’ll succeed with most people. The situation is too stark, and too many people can see for their own eyes.

From what we know of Robinson he, if guilty (and I very strongly believe he is) bears full responsibility for his actions. Discussing influences on a criminal is neither absolving him of responsibility nor making excuses. However, those people who killed no one but have been engaged in spreading the poisonous lie that Kirk (and Trump, and Vance, etc….) are fascists or Nazis or that sort of evil also bear some responsibility. It is an “and” situation rather than an “or” situation.

That does not diminish the adult perpetrator’s responsibility nor does it dilute it. It creates a separate and additional-but-lesser, responsibility on the part of those spreading the propaganda. That latter responsibility is probably not a legal one – barring actions that amount to incitement. It is, however, a moral one.

By the way, I give you exhibit K:

Some people who actually celebrated Kirk’s murder on social media are being reported and fired. I think a school or a hospital or any business has a right to fire such people, just as those people have a right to express themselves on social media or elsewhere. It’s a risk, and they took it.

The poisonous atmosphere has been apparent for quite some time. As Mark Hemingway writes:

I do not want to live in a society where half the country simply uses whatever power is available to them to go after the other half. I do not believe the average Democrat voter believes that successfully engaging in good-faith debates on college campuses warrants death. But, and I am hardly alone here, I am increasingly concerned that there are forces on the left that cannot be debated, they must be made to feel pain until they stop.

Perhaps not the average Democrat voter – whatever that may be these days. But many young people do believe exactly that – or at least, that it warrants violence. This is the sort of thing they’re talking about, from a survey of college students:

College students are growing more tolerant of using force to stop viewpoints they dislike, and less tolerant of campus visitors with viewpoints at either end of the political spectrum, according to an annual survey of nearly 70,000 students by the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression and College Pulse.

More than a third of students would “at least rarely” accept the use of violence to stop a campus speech (34%), 10 percentage points higher than its 2021 survey, while majorities would block other students from attending such a speech (54% versus 41% in 2021) and shout down a speaker (71% from 66%), all “record highs.”

“For the first time ever” since it started the surveys, expanding from 55 campuses in 2020 to 257 in this report, most students say their schools should block speakers who hold any of six views associated with the left or right on hot-button cultural issues, FIRE said Tuesday.

The view they are most willing to tolerate is “Children should be able to transition [identify as the opposite sex, socially or medically] without parental consent,” the only one of the six to command a majority in last year’s report. This year it’s 49%.

The least likely to be tolerated: “Black Lives Matter is a hate group,” at 24%. The others: “Transgender people have a mental disorder” (25%), “The Catholic Church is a pedophilic institution” and “The police are just as racist as the Ku Klux Klan” (both 38%), and “Abortion should be completely illegal” (40%). Each fell several points from last year.

It makes me think of a quote from Heinrich Heine: “Thought precedes action as lightning precedes thunder.”

NOTE: Here’s a post at Instapundit showing many beautiful ripples around the world. They may surprised you as they surprised me; I hadn’t realized Charlie Kirk’s reach was so international.

NOTE II: The Kirk assassination has been food for so much thought that I have drafts for many more posts on the subject. But they will take a while to finish.

Where was the rifle when Tyler Robinson jumped off the roof?

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That was my question after I saw multiple videos released of Robinson’s movements on the campus the day Kirk was shot.

After all, prior to the shooting Robinson is walking oddly, with a limping stiff-legged gait, and you can see that it’s very consistent with the rifle – a Mauser – having been stuffed in his pants leg. No mystery there.

But then there’s video of him sprinting across the roof after the shooting, and jumping down a very significant distance – 15 feet or so? – and again racing, this time across a grassy area to a wooded area. The latter is presumably where the rifle was found wrapped in a towel. Robinson slows down from the run when there’s a car; probably he doesn’t want to draw attention. But where oh where is the gun? Certainly no longer in his pants leg. And I didn’t see him carrying anything and didn’t think he could be, when he made that jump.

But on closer inspection, I see that he was almost certainly carrying the weapon. He must have really really really not wanted to leave it up there.

You can see it for yourself if you look at the following video full screen and slow motion; you can also make the images larger. I don’t think there’s much question that he’s got a long black (or dark) item with him the entire time, probably the gun wrapped in the towel. If you watch this video on YouTube you can also read a discussion in the comments about this very topic:

Of course, conspiracy theorists are already calling Robinson an innocent patsy and blaming the killing on Trump or the Mossad or whatever or whomever is the theorist’s favorite villain. Prepostrous.

Whether or not Robinson tried to enlist someone to retrieve the gun in the woods is another story. This is possibly the case.

More details that are emerging, relevant to the retrieving the gun question: I had initially read that Robinson was living with his parents, but he apparently was not. Here’s the story, which I cannot verify but I believe is probably true [hat tip: commenter “huxley”]:

Charlie Kirk’s alleged shooter Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from a male to a female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.

That individual, who has yet to be identified by the authorities, is now fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added. The relationship was first reported by Fox News’ Brooke Singman.

Text messages and other communications that the transgender individual traded with Robinson, 22, helped the feds nab the accused assassin.

The messages apparently had to do with a request to retrieve the weapon.

This crime and this criminal are turning out to be the left’s worst nightmare, despite the fact that many have been celebrating it.

And if the transgender love interest story is true, it gives more weight to a possibility I mentioned some time ago, which is that Robinson may have timed the shot for the question about trans shooters. Yes, it might be a coincidence, but a very strange one. If I am correct and there’s a connection, it would give new and horrific meaning to the word “triggered.”

ADDENDUM:

The roommate may or may not have been transgender, and may or may not have been a love interest. But here’s more information. Excerpt:

A 22-year-old wannabe professional gamer who lived with Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin gave cops incriminating text messages leading to his arrest.

Lance Twiggs turned over Tyler Robinson, who lived with him in a three-bedroom apartment in Saint George, Utah, Daily Mail can reveal.

Twiggs showed police texts from Robinson about stashing a gun linked to Wednesday’s shooting of the prominent conservative activist at Utah Valley University (UVU), a law enforcement affidavit said.

His identity was revealed as separate reports emerged from Fox and the New York Post which stated that Robinson was living with a ‘transgender partner’ who is co-operating with the investigation.

It is unclear if Twiggs is the same person referenced in the reports and he has not been named in the affidavit. His grandfather, Jerry Twiggs, told Daily Mail that he was unable to comment on rumors that he is trans and that there was a transgender motive to Kirk’s murder.

Both Twiggs and Robinson appear to have been fellow gamers, however. That’s consistent with the messages on the casings.

Charlie Kirk’s widow speaks of martyrdom

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Kirk’s killer didn’t think ahead very much. He was an effective assassin. But his getaway plan left a lot to be desired; his disguise wasn’t all that great, and he probably was unaware of the fact that his every move was being recorded and could be analyzed.

And where did he go after his bloody deed? Why, to his family’s home, where he could be identified and fingered by his horrified parents as the killer.

Then again, perhaps he wanted to be caught and thought he’d become a hero to some, a la Mangione.

One thing he probably didn’t think through, though, was the possibility that by killing Kirk he’d be elevating him to martyrdom. Charlie Kirk was a man of deep Christian faith which informed everything he did. And so was his wife Erika, who spoke publicly this evening. Some excerpts:

“My husband laid down his life for me, for our nation, for our children,” Erika said as she stood behind a podium bearing a sign of her late husband’s face with the text: “May Charlie be received into the merciful arms of Jesus, our loving Savior.”

“Now and for all eternity, he will stand at his savior’s side wearing the glorious crown of a martyr.”

“The evildoers responsible for my husband’s assassination have no idea what they have done,” she said. …

“They killed Charlie because he preached a message of patriotism, faith and of God’s merciful love. They should all know this: if you thought my husband’s mission was powerful before, you have no idea, you have no idea what you have unleashed across this entire country and this world,” she said passionately.

“You have no idea the fire you have ignited within his wife, the cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry. To everyone listening tonight across America, the movement my husband built will not die. It won’t, I refuse to let that happen.”

To make a speech like that at a time like this shows phenomenal strength.

I can’t predict the future. But it would not surprise me at all if she is correct.

Full speed ahead with Trump’s Senate confirmations

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Good idea at this point:

Republicans voted on Thursday to change the rules of the Senate in a rare move that will allow them to expedite the confirmation process for President Donald Trump’s executive branch nominees.

The party-line vote using the so-called “nuclear option” will enable the Senate to confirm some presidential nominees as groups, rather than individually, with only a simple majority vote.

Democrats had refused to perform the usual courtesy of confirming a president’s nominees, for no reason other than Trump Bad and Our Democracy.

Hard to believe that Trump has only been in office since late January, so much has happened since then.

Details emerge on Tyler Robinson, the Kirk assassination suspect

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[NOTE: I already have put up this post about the suspect’s capture.]

The story is worthy of literature, although there’s no Dostoevsky or Truman Capote around to write it:

Robinson was turned in after his father recognized him in photos released by the FBI on Thursday, law enforcement sources told The Post.

His father.

The father called Washington County Sheriff’s Department and confronted his son when he returned home, at which point Robinson admitted he was the gunman, the sources said.

Robinson’s father asked him to turn himself in, but his son replied that he would rather kill himself.

The father then convinced his son to speak with their youth minister, who also serves as a task force officer with the US Marshals Service.

The minister called the FBI and agents later took Robinson into custody.

We try to protect our children, but at some point we send them into the world and although most people try their best we cannot control how they choose to take that world in. Today’s young people are met with poisonous brainwashing. The brainwashing that’s entrenched in academia and so much of the MSM comes from the left and amounts to an almost constant and unavoidable barrage of systematic indoctrination. Some comes from the right, too (I’m thinking of people like Candace Owens), although it’s far more of a fringe movement and much easier to dodge or reject.

Officials say that, as far as they can tell at this point, Robinson acted alone. I think that’s likely although of course myriad online conspiracy theorists will have a field day with it.

You can find explanations of the writings on the casings here. Suffice to say that they are loaded with references that come from online memes of the Antifa variety – which is no surprise whatsoever.

Robinson’s father seems to have been more on the right:

Matt Robinson is a 27-year veteran of the Washington County Sheriff’s Department, the Daily Mail reported. He is a registered Republican. …

A family member of Tyler was interviewed by investigators, Cox said. The family member said Tyler had become more political in recent years …

One might think that Robinson’s leftist indoctrination occurred at college, but I’m not so sure because of this report:

Tyler is photographed at Utah State University and was offered an academic scholarship to attend the Logan, Utah-based university according to a letter he read aloud in a video posted to [his mother’s] social media.

Utah State University said the suspected shooter “briefly attended Utah State University for one semester in 2021.”

He lived at home with his parents, according to neighbors who spoke with USA TODAY.

So it might be that, for whatever reason, he was a dropout and almost certainly spent a lot of time online. The family is Mormon.

In today’s previous post on Robinson I made reference to Crime and Punishment’s Raskolnikov. But now with these new details, Turgenev’s Fathers and Sons enters the picture – not to mention Dostoevsky’s Demons (which was called The Possessed in the translation I read). I had read all three works by the time I was twenty years old, the first in high school and the second two in college. Those works helped me enormously to understand the political carnage of the 1960s and early 1970s, and they remain relevant today. It is impressive how 19th Century giants of Russian literature were able to describe the seeds of what the left was sowing at the time and continues to sow today.

The suspect in the Kirk assassination is in custody

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Note that I wrote “the suspect,” not “a suspect.” His name is Tyler Robinson, 22, and he is a Utah resident.

Cracking this case demonstrates the tremendous usefulness of the ubiquitous surveillance cameras in public places, plus the technology to enhance them. Then of course television and the internet can spread the information around the world, with the result that someone somewhere recognizes that person. And if the person hasn’t successfully fled the county or killed himself (or herself, although with the exception of Charlotte Corday political assassins are virtually always young males), it’s just a matter of time. Sometimes a short amount of time.

That’s what happened with Mangione, and that’s what has happened with Robinson. Reports are that, in a twist reminiscent of the turning in of the Unibomber and yet even more poignant, it was the subject’s father who got him to surrender.

It will take some time for me to digest the information out there, but I wanted to put up this first post quickly. A great deal of information can be found here, including this mugshot:

No doubt the young women of the left will swoon, although he’s not really in Mangione territory in terms of looks. But I strongly suspect that becoming a leftist hero was one of his motives, although hardly the only one.

I am extremely glad this person has been apprehended.

All the people in the MSM, politics, and punditry who’ve been calling those on the right Nazis and are now wondering what on earth could have caused this killing need to look at their own heavy responsibility, although I doubt any of them will. Words are not violence; they are words. But they can beget violence when they affect impressionable minds. That in no way absolves the assassin of criminal responsibility. Let justice be served.

I plan to write another post dealing with the details as they emerge, but for now I’ll just mention this, which I think is very telling:

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson was “full of hate” in the days before the shooting, according to a family friend, as authorities revealed the 22-year-old had confessed to the assassination and had been turned in by a relative, after the suspect first said he would rather kill himself than go into custody.

Bullets found in the chamber of the rifle reportedly used by Robinson included apparent left-wing slogans such as “Hey fascist! Catch!” and another referencing “Oh, Bella Ciao!” a popular Italian anti-fascist song, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said.

Ah, but he had already had plenty of opportunity to kill himself and didn’t. Perhaps he had thought they wouldn’t be able to trace him. Perhaps he thought, like Raskolnikov, that he had committed the perfect crime.

But “Hey fascist! Catch!” is especially telling. It combines the common accusation “fascist” – although a less fascistic person than Charlie Kirk you could hardly find – with the comic-book type of snark we’ve come to expect from social media postings. An assassin for our times.