Commenter “DNW” writes, in a fairly lengthy comment:
You say that at some period or periods during your life, those in your circle have accused you of ” arguing like a lawyer” and being guilty of the acts of reasoning and logical analysis. This is if I understood you correctly, nothing new and very mich predated even your law degree. It was many of those you knew from day to day living who maintained this.
You have mentioned that 30 years ago in grad school, alarmed, you pointed out the dire consequences for the rule of law and constitutional governance for a particular trajectory upon with your masters of social work associates ( I think it was) had set. And that they heard you out with an air of polite if not sublime indifference not even bothering to respond or rebut.
You have mentioned that in your grammar school days children were drilled in civics and on the importance of Liberty and personal civic responsibility and that heritage of rights which were theirs to keep or lose; but that they got none of that, so you believed, at home. And after all, “Who did normally, or should?” was the standard operating assumption.
Your progressive minded grandmother friends, you say, are mentally occupied for the most part with doting on their grandkids and enjoying themselves; without ever really thinking too deeply about where their choices at the ballot box are driving us all; trusting to the same class affirming news sources they have always defaulted to, along with their feelings.
So, what are the personal responsibilities in a constitutional polity constructed to ensure a regime of Liberty and personal freedom, of such people? Are they meeting them?
In what sense are they deserving of receiving the benefits of such a life lived in a clearing they expend no effort whatsoever in perptuating?
Are they even ” constitutionally” ( no pun intended) fitted by nature for such a life? In what sense do they deserve the freedoms they are so indifferent to maintaining?
Frankly, I don’t think they do much value freedom for themselves if they have comfort and emotional tickles in compensation, nor do they like it much when others have it.
1. What are the personal responsibilities of these individuals insofar as it comes to being informed and thinking critically …whether they are spoon fed it or not.
2. Is it possible that they are not really fit to be free and don’t want to be, as Sarah Conley suggests?
I think you can see the answer for yourself in the words that loom largest in their minds: ” inclusivity”, “acceptance”, ” affirmation”, “community”, “feelings”.
If I was in error in describing them as effen peasants to the core, as basically clever grazing animals, concerned only with the languid enjoyment of their bodily functions and with not a higher consideration in their heads as Aristotle had asserted, I don’t think I could be shown to be in error by much.
I was planning on responding in a comment, but then I thought it might be a good idea to highlight my answer as a post.
First, I’ll get the simplest point out of the way: people who angrily accuse me of arguing “like a lawyer” are not usually referring to political discussions. They often are engaged in a more personal exchange with me, and are trying to defend themselves. I think most people – even logical ones, no matter what side of the political spectrum they may be on – get flustered if and when they’re emotionally involved in an argument, and are especially annoyed if the other person seems to more easily marshal counter-arguments.
The rest of DNW’s comment seems to me to completely ignore the basics of human nature, and to set up a meritocracy of freedom (perhaps “liberty” would be a better word, however) instead of a natural rights belief that all are entitled to it as their birthright. Obviously, freedom must be taught and defended – at least it’s obvious to me, although I seem to recall that DNW (at least, I think it was DNW; I don’t have time to go back and check and so I apologize if it was actually someone else) felt that it was somehow innate in certain people and not only should not have to be taught but could not be taught.
I disagreed then, and I disagree now. Yes, there are people who appear to just naturally (seemingly naturally, anyway) value liberty much more than others. Those people are not necessarily either peasants or aristocrats, and so I have no idea why DNW would consider them peasants, except as some sort of metaphor (a bad one, IMHO). And I find offensive any characterization of human beings as grazing animals – “clever” or not.
The people DNW are describing don’t share his – and my – fascination with politics. What’s more, they don’t read the same sources as DNW and I, and so what interest they have is skewed to the MSM “narrative” which is incomplete at best and deceptive propaganda at worst. That is the fault of the MSM, a group of people I consider far more guilty than any human being (not grazing animal) living his or her life and trying to be loving and responsible while getting a certain amount of joy out of existence.
I would be highly wary of anyone – and that most definitely includes DNW – who sets him or herself up as the arbiter of who “deserves” freedom or liberty and who does not. Talk about elitism! However, it is indeed the case that if enough people in a society do not value liberty, then liberty probably won’t last long in such a society. That is the situation in which we seem to find ourselves, but part of the reason we are here is that people who do value liberty were not aware enough of the leftist march through the institutions to stop it in time, before it had infected such an enormous number of people and such a huge part of our culture.
When I speak of human nature, I am thinking (once again) of Dostoevsky’s “Grand Inquisitor.” Here’s a previous post in which I quoted it at length. The Inquisitor believes that the vast majority of people will willingly give up freedom for security. He uses the metaphor of daily bread, but it can mean any sort of security, such as the hope that the government can protect us from a pandemic, for example. Some people are indeed willing to lay their freedom aside for something like security, but in my opinion most of the people DNW is so incensed at here do not believe they are giving up their freedom in any substantial way. In fact, due to the MSM and other propaganda, they strongly believe it is the right that wishes to take away their freedom.
Lastly, the idea that these people are only “clever grazing animals, concerned only with the languid enjoyment of their bodily functions and with not a higher consideration in their heads” is profoundly mistaken and profoundly narrow-minded. Lack of intense interest in politics, and lack of understanding of what the left is doing, absolutely does not preclude “higher considerations.” Some of these people are religious, many are good spouses and parents, some volunteer to help others, some are into various arts and other pursuits of that nature, and they ponder the meaning of life and all that other non-grazing-animal stuff.
I’m not in the habit of judging people’s lives that way. I figure that’s not my job. My job is to try to live a good life myself, and a responsible one.
[NOTE: I have no idea why DNW wrote that I believed this:
You have mentioned that in your grammar school days children were drilled in civics and on the importance of Liberty and personal civic responsibility and that heritage of rights which were theirs to keep or lose; but that they got none of that, so you believed, at home.
I certainly said we were taught those things in school, but never did I say many of us were not taught those things at home also.
In addition, I’ll add that the people who failed to answer or rebut what I said back when I was in grad school were in an undergrad class with me and members of a much younger generation than I. I was in my forties and they were college-age at the time, between 18 and 21 I’d estimate. So I have no idea what they were taught about liberty when they were growing up.]


