Commenter “Kate” writes:
I don’t think anyone on our side of the fence knows what’s really going on in Russia, or whether public opinion there makes any difference. Some military observers are now estimating Russian military deaths so far at 15,000; I had previously seen an estimate near 10,000, and numbers of injured are much higher. Russian leadership may not care about casualties; can they hide the numbers from the families of the dead and injured?
First let’s take the question of how many Russians have died fighting this war. The western military says it’s a lot, and there was also a brief Russian report to that effect
A Pro-Kremlin tabloid on Monday reported that nearly 10,000 Russian troops have been killed in the war in Ukraine — before the publication removed the figure and claimed it had been hacked.
The Putin-friendly Komsomolskaya Pravda, citing the Russian Ministry of Defense, reported that 9,861 Russian troops had died and 16,153 had been wounded in Ukraine since Russia launched its invasion on Feb. 24. It’s unclear whether the tolls were accurate.
Russia hasn’t released any figures since March 2, and even if they had there’s no way to trust their figures. So we just don’t know, but one thing that seems reasonable to conclude is that the figures were higher than expected and will get higher over time.
Russian propaganda has been prepping the Russian people for years with the idea that Greater Russia is a goal, that Ukraine is part of Russia and that it should be part of Russia (in order to rescue the Russians and good Ukrainians there from the bad Ukrainian Nazis), that NATO is trying to destroy Russia, and the like.
How many Russians believe these things? And how many will continue to believe them if and when they discover how many young Russian soldiers have already been sacrificed to this dream? Will they shrug the deaths off as in a noble and worthy cause? Will they think the deaths only prove what Nazis the Ukrainians are?
Or will they blame Putin? And if they blame Putin, will it even matter in terms of his hold on power?
I wish I had the answers, but I only have the questions and the gut feeling that Putin will keep his grip as leader of Russia.
However, I also think that comparisons to the Russian acceptance of the enormous Russian losses in World War II aren’t especially relevant. For one thing, that was a long long time ago and present Russian generations are not the same as those ancestors. For another, during World War II – at least for the phrase of it when the USSR was Germany’s enemy rather than its ally as in the beginning – Russians were defending their homeland from a truly frightening and predatory opponent. They knew without question that it was do or die, and that gives people the will to endure a lot of death and hardship.
That’s more like Ukraine’s position right now than it is like Russia’s today.
And what of the members of the Russian military themselves? If most reports are correct – and I don’t know whether they are, but I certainly think they might be – many of them are conscripts who also were not even told they were going to Ukraine to fight an actual war. They might feel betrayed and confused, which doesn’t add to a military’s fighting spirit. I’m not sure whether there’s been any actual laying down of arms by Russian military – and what is done to those who might do that, which can include being shot by those in charge. But even without outright quitting, there can be more subtle effects on the morale of the military and the vigor with which they pursue a battle. Is this part of the reason the Russian offensive isn’t going quite as smoothly as many think the Russian command expected it to go?
There’s a potential contradiction and confusion when Russian military are asked to kill so many civilians in a country they’ve been assured is populated by people who are their brothers and who will for the most part welcome them – but who are also Nazis. It’s a rather strange argument, if you think about it. And if these young military men were actually not told they were going there to a war of that nature, what then?
I suppose they can tell themselves all the dead are Nazis. I suppose the Russian fighters might be using weapons that distance them from viewing the dead and realizing what’s been going on. I suppose they can tell themselves it’s collateral damage anyway, inevitable in war. Or that the Ukrainians killed other Ukrainians for PR reasons (I’ve heard there’s Russian propaganda to that effect).
But these men are not the Russians of eighty years ago nor are they in a similar fight. Who they are I don’t know, and I don’t know what effect their perceptions have already had – and will continue to have – on the conduct and outcome of this war.
[NOTE: Some of the perception that Russian fighters feel lied to and betrayed comes from the statements given by many Russian POWs on video. I happen to think they sound sincere for the most part, but I also know that it’s a bad idea to rely on statements of prisoners of war because it’s not clear that they are made freely.]