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The numbers games: House and Senate in 2010, and beyond

The New Neo Posted on March 23, 2010 by neoMarch 24, 2010

[NOTE: This post won’t be offering arguments concerning the question of whether entitlements can ever be undone. I am saving that discussion for another piece. But my short answer is that I think they can, under certain circumstances, and that HCR most likely fits those circumstances. So for the purposes of this post, let’s just stipulate that repeal of an entitlement is theoretically possible, and concentrate on the practical issues.]

The HCR bill is very unpopular right now. People are angry. Most benefits do not kick in for years but payment does, and the bill and its fearsome prospects are likely to hurt the economy and stall any recovery that might otherwise occur. Thus, if the bill remains very unpopular or even increases in unpopularity, and especially if this administration and Congress do other things that further anger the majority of Americas, the election of 2010 could represent a chance for the resurgence of the Republican Party, newly energized by actual conservatism and backed by the will of the people.

There are many wild cards here, however. There’s been much talk, for instance, about the prospect of the Democrats passing amnesty prior to the 2010 election, and therefore gaining all those new voters. I have been thinking for quite some time that they would make that attempt, and I have little doubt that they will try.

It used to be said that amnesty was too unpopular for even the Democrats to touch. But we have learned that the unpopularity of a bill no longer represents any bar to them. They have become unmoored from any need to answer to the people until 2010, and they believe they will game the system to insure their victory in 2010 and beyond.

However, amnesty could be opposed even in this Congress if (and again, that’s a big “if” with Lindsey Graham in the Senate) they can get forty-one votes in the Senate against it. At this point, there is at least a chance that all of the Republicans (and perhaps even Joe Lieberman?) might hang tough on that because they now they finally see the seriousness of the situation and the threat to them and all they stand for.

You might say well, what about reconciliation or the nuclear option for the Democrats to use in passing amnesty even if forty-one Republicans are against it? The nuclear option (changing the rules so that sixty votes are not needed for cloture) is only possible at the start of a Congressional session (look for it to happen, by the way, if the Republicans don’t gain control of the next Senate—and perhaps even if they do). So it could not be used until the Congress that begins after the 2010 election. As far as reconciliation goes—every bill can’t be passed through that route. It was available for HCR only because the Senate had already approved a version of the bill prior to Scott Brown’s victory—the House had to pass that version before reconciliation was allowed.

Naturally, since the Democrats are now officially a rogue party, they might start throwing away even those basic rules that remain in Congress. Then all bets are off—including the response of the military and the American people. But I don’t think that will happen; I think the Democrats will continue to maintain most of the basic forms of parliamentary government, and just tweak and twist them when they need to here and there.

I’ve read a bit about amnesty as currently proposed (don’t have the link right now; I may add one later if I find it), and my impression is that, even if a bill were to be passed by this Congress, the process of actually giving the illegals amnesty and getting them citizenship will take far longer to implement than could be accomplished before the 2010 election. So I am not at all sure it would affect that election, although it could most definitely affect subsequent ones. That makes 2010 a watershed year for the Republicans; they must win that election battle.

I’m not going into a discussion here of how the amnesty bill under consideration will be proposing to operate. If I did, this post would become a larger tome than it already is shaping up to be. But at some future date I plan to take that topic up, too. But I will say that if amnesty remains as unpopular as it appears to be—even more unpopular than the HCR bill—some Democrats who were willing to fall on their swords for HCR because they figured the people would grow to love it may not be quite so willing to do the same for amnesty.

Even if the Democrats pass amnesty, however, it is my prediction that it would cause an electoral backlash so huge that it would make the HCR angst look positively benign. That means that the Democrats would gain many eventual voters through passing amnesty, but they stand to lose even more.

But let’s get back to HCR and the possibilities of thwarting it through the actions of the next Congress. Assuming amnesty (passed or unpassed) isn’t a factor yet in the election of 2010, there is every possibility of Republicans gaining control of the House next session. It would be more difficult to gain control of the Senate, because there are only 18 Democratic seats up for grabs there. So in order to get a simple majority in the Senate, the Republicans would have to have a net gain of 10 seats (one less if Joe Lieberman were to join them). They cannot mathematically gain enough to get a filibuster-proof majority, but a simple majority is theoretically possible (if not easy).

Of course, even if the Republicans took control of both houses in 2010 Obama could veto any legislation they might pass. But he cannot write budget bills. So the way to begin to attack HCR would be through the budget, although this is a very complex process as well (and as I’ve said many times, I am no parliamentary expert, so I may be making some errors here—but this is a discussion of the way budget appropriations bills work, if anyone cares to wade through it).

It appears that the 2010 Congress could defund current legislation through budget appropriations bills without repealing it (it could be repealed in 2012 if the Congress and the presidency change hands and there are more than 60 Republicans in the Senate). Defunding could actually be done without a 60-vote filibuster-proof majority in the Senate (that is what reconciliation was actually originally about—budget bills), just a simple majority in both houses. The president might veto it, but he cannot put in provisions for funding that aren’t there, and if he keeps vetoing the budget bill he would threaten to shut down his own government. Would he want to play that game of chicken? And would the Republicans be up to it?

Even if the Republicans were only to gain control of the House and not the Senate in 2010 (the more realistic possibility, I think), the two houses still must merge their budget bills into one because of the bicameral system. So there may still be possibilities even in that case for a Republican House to moderate a Democrat Senate.

As I said, I’m no expert, but that’s my understanding of things, at least from the quick cram course I’ve given myself online. I don’t know how the defunding would actually work in its details (or whether it would work), and after a quick search I haven’t found anything very specific on it, although I’ve seen it mentioned here and there during the last few months that HCR has been kicking around.

Of course, there are also the challenges to HCR pending in the court system. But I happen to think those will not go in our favor. There are also enough states incensed at this bill and threatened by its demands to their own already-strapped budgets that there is even a possibility of a Constitutional amendment to undo it if enough states feel this way—that’s a whole other topic for another time. I think it’s a longshot, but I mention it because it is a theoretical possibility—and depending on how much more this president and this Congress defy the will of the people and the will of the states, it might become a stronger possibility in the future. And of course, if the country edges even closer to bankruptcy—-all bets are off. Chaos theory and Cloward-Piven, anyone?

As with most civilizations, our biggest threats have come from within, and most be fought. Make no mistake about it, the Democrat leaders are most serious about their power grabs, and their respect for the rules of American political life has almost dissipated. They have been handed the gavel of power, and they are unafraid to wield it heavily—and, they hope, permanently.

[ADDENDUM: Here’s a post about defunding from Volokh, a law blog. Seems to be more or less in agreement with what I’ve written here, but is mercifully less wordy.]

Posted in Health care reform, Liberals and conservatives; left and right, Politics | 55 Replies

Notes from the British HCR experience

The New Neo Posted on March 23, 2010 by neoMarch 23, 2010

There’s an excellent letter from a British observer at the Corner, describing the British experience with government health care and contrasting it to ours. You would do well to read the whole thing. Here are a few excerpts (emphasis mine):

[T]here were no real losers in the Britain of 1948 [when their system was first set up]. Only a tiny handful of very rich people had any experience of great medical care””and they were rich enough to pay higher taxes AND private insurance premiums. Everyone else got roughly the same medical care; but now the middle class got it for nothing as most of the poor had done before. Nobody lost””not for another fifteen years when the quality of medical care began to decline noticeably. And by then they were hooked. By contrast almost every insured Ameerican [sic] is a potential loser under Obamacare. And some of those considered to be winners””i.e., the currently non-insured””will feel like losers if they are forced to insure and then remain inconveniently healthy.

So, for all sorts of reasons, opponents of this bill should not feel deterred from hope of repeal by the British experience. At the very least they have a window of opportunity to reverse the legislation of about eight to ten years. It’s doable if you think it’s doable””not if not.

The article points out that when the British system was implemented it had strong bipartisan support. This is completely different from the situation right now in this country, and the difference makes it clear that we are dealing with more—far more—than a simple difference of opinion about health care reform. We are dealing with a rogue government bent on tyranny, and their plans do not stop with health care.

Nevertheless, the same principle is true: it’s fixable if you consider it fixable. But you must remain focused on that task, and mindful of the wiliness and ruthlessness of your opponents.

Posted in Health care reform, History | 72 Replies

The joke that is the CBO

The New Neo Posted on March 23, 2010 by neoMarch 23, 2010

Here’s an explanation of how the CBO works—or fails to—because of the ridiculous rules by which it is bound.

I agree. As I wrote back in December 2009:

The CBO has become a way to give the imprimatur of fiscal propriety to bills that are essentially scams, and the CBO is powerless to do anything but be a yes-man to whatever a clever and duplicitous Congress manages to come up with.

Mmmm, let’s have some more of that tasty CBO sausage, with a heaping helping of garbage-in garbage-out.

Posted in Finance and economics, Politics | 7 Replies

Liberal fascism rising

The New Neo Posted on March 23, 2010 by neoMarch 23, 2010

Here’s a lovely sentiment found in the comments section here at RealClearPollitics (I can’t seem to find a way to link it directly, but it was posted on March 23 at 2:55 AM). I include it because I think it’s an excellent example of the mentality of the most rabid variety of Pelosi/Obama supporter, mask removed.

You may recognize the type. The ascendance of tyranny always unleashes the aggressive fantasies of punkish thugs, who then sometimes become the willing aggressive (and often violent) repressive tools of the new regime, if the new regime happens to require their services, which it usually does:

We are in control now, doofus. And there ain’t a @#$%& thing you can do about it, so just keep throwing your silly little online temper tantrums. For what it’s worth I hope it made you feel better.

Think you’ll vote us out? Go for it! We might lose some seats this November but no worries, we’ll get them back soon enough. Because thanks to amnesty – which WILL pass before the 2012 elections, you can bet on it – there will be another twenty million reliable and highly motivated voters on our side, which is more than enough to tip the electoral balance permanently. Know what that means, hillbilly? It means your side will never control Congress, Senate, or the White House again. Ever.

Fight us in court? Dream on. As you well know, the courts already lean more to our side than to yours. And that will only become more solid as time passes, for the very same reasons that “conservative” votes are more futile every year.

Civil disobedience? Please, by all means get yourself arrested. You won’t achieve anything else. And believe me, we’re OK with that. At least then you’ll be off the streets for a while. (And getting three hots and a cot – and guess what, FREE MEDICAL CARE – from the generous progressive state you profess to detest.)

Armed rebellion? That’ll be fun to watch. Can you say “squashed like a bug,” Wolverine? Bring on your popguns and bean shooters. You’ll soon learn who controls the BIG guns. (Here’s a hint: it ain’t you.)

Secession? Oh, please! See Armed Rebellion, above.

Your best bet is to quit your pathetic posturing and get with the program, because I assure you there are plenty of us on the left who won’t waste their time talking to you as I did. Failing that, you really should emigrate, assuming you can find a country evil and desperate enough to admit your kind of right wing fascist scum. (Try Myanmar. Or maybe Saudi Arabia.) Honestly, the sooner you face the reality that people like you have no future in America the better off you’ll be.

WE are in control now, little boy. FOREVER.

Troll sounds like a cross between O’Brien in 1984 and a gangbanger. They are emboldened and drunk on recent events.

Posted in Liberals and conservatives; left and right | 53 Replies

Stop the whining about “it can’t be repealed”

The New Neo Posted on March 22, 2010 by neoMarch 22, 2010

I usually like Charles Krauthammer. But sometimes I find him incredibly and unnecessarily negative. Such as, for example, last night:

It can’t be repealed? Why not? I’m not going to answer that question in depth right now, but I’m working on a draft of a long essay about it.

I hear this defeatist attitude nearly everywhere. I could understand it if the nay-saying came from Democrats as a taunt, but it comes from Republicans as a lament. I disagree with the idea. One thing’s for sure, though—if most conservatives and Republicans have the same attitude as Krauthammer, it certainly won’t be repealed.

So I think this sort of talk needs to stop. Remember, there is no precedent for this bill and how it was passed against the will of the people, and we should not imagine that any precedent about not repealing entitlements would hold, either. As I’ve said several times, we are in uncharted waters. Let’s try not to lose our compass—and we may need our celestial navigation, as well.

Posted in Health care reform | 138 Replies

HCR: Obama the Orwellian liar

The New Neo Posted on March 22, 2010 by neoMarch 22, 2010

There’s something about the quality of Obama’s lies that is especially galling. They are not just ordinary lies, but outrageous inversions of the truth, almost a mockery of the truth.

Take a look at the following selections from his victory speech last night and you’ll see what I mean (my interpolations are in brackets):

Tonight’s vote is not a victory for any one party…

[This is said of the most partisan bill in history. It garnered not a single Republican vote and not even all of the Democrat votes. Thirty-four of the latter were given permission to vote “no” in an attempt to save their own butts in 2010.]

It’s a victory for the American people.

[This said of a bill that was opposed by over half and as much as two-thirds of said American people, depending on the polls. I bet most of them don’t feel all that victorious right now.]

And it’s a victory for common sense.

[This said of a bill that is unbelievably Byzantine, fails to incorporate obvious fixes such as tort reform and portability of private insurance, and violates the common sense knowledge that there is no free lunch by hiding its true costs in accounting tricks and games.]

Posted in Health care reform, Obama | 23 Replies

Boehner’s speech last night

The New Neo Posted on March 22, 2010 by neoMarch 22, 2010

He really gets going in the last few minutes. Worth watching, although I don’t know about that “dignity of the House” thing. The House hasn’t had much dignity for quite some time—perhaps never.

Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

Posted in Health care reform | 5 Replies

About Massachusetts and the HCR vote: I just realized…

The New Neo Posted on March 22, 2010 by neoMarch 22, 2010

…that Democrats in Congress just gave a big FU to the people of Massachusetts, arguably the most liberal state in the union.

Think about it—it was Massachusetts that only two short months ago elected a Republican senator to fill what had long been Teddy Kennedy’s seat, for the express purpose of sending a message to Washington that it didn’t want this bill. It is Massachusetts that has a special burden and no need for this legislation because it already is being stressed to the fiscal max by Romneycare. And it is Massachusetts that has supported the Democratic Party perhaps more strongly than any other state, ever since the second half of the twentieth century—which included being the only state to have voted for George McGovern in 1972.

Some thanks Massachusetts gets. Under the bus with it!

Posted in Health care reform, New England, Politics | 7 Replies

Dog bites man once again: health care reform passes the House 219-212

The New Neo Posted on March 21, 2010 by neoMarch 21, 2010

So the dirty deed is done. A sad day for this country, but now another fight—actually, series of fights—begins. We need to be energized and not discouraged.

Every single Republican in the House voted against this bill, and there were 34 Democrats joining them. I am not a Congressional historian, but it seems to me that this type of split has never occurred before—certainly not for any major transformative legislation. So it’s “historic” in that way as well.

That sort of vote breakdown is beyond non-bipartisan: passage without even a single opposition member’s vote to provide cover as well as over 13% of the members of the majority party against it! If I am correct about the unprecedented nature of such a split, there’s a reason it’s not happened before—we’ve never had a party with such huge majorities that was so ideologically extreme and out of step with the people, and therefore so committed to passing a widely unpopular bill and dragging Americans down a road they don’t want to traverse.

I hope it comes back to destroy them as a force in politics for a long long time to come.

[ADDENDUM: I didn’t see it because I could not bear to watch the proceedings, but I keep reading that Boehner made a great speech. I realize a great speech at this point is quite irrelevant—perhaps it always was, once the election results of 2008 came in. But I note it because it indicates to me the possibility that Republicans and conservatives, both in politics and on the street, will be energized as never before by the passage of this bill, joined by simpatico independents and even Democrats who don’t like it either. That’s the coalition that elected Scott Brown in Massachusetts.]

Posted in Health care reform, Liberals and conservatives; left and right | 72 Replies

Pro-choice Democrat women…

The New Neo Posted on March 21, 2010 by neoMarch 21, 2010

…are angry at Obama (see also this) because he threw them under the bus.

But why, why, why would they be the least bit surprised? Actually, here’s an answer from the comments section at Firedoglake:

They’re idiots if they didn’t see this coming a mile back down the road. NOW and the other women’s groups were duped by our photogenic fuhrer. He could care less about us and our stinking rights.

They are learning one of the first rules about getting into bed with a tyrant: his word means nothing, he could care less about anyone and their stinking rights, and he will betray allies if it seems expedient.

But they already knew that if they been been paying attention. Either they weren’t, or they must have thought it was okay because the crocodile would eat them last.

Posted in Uncategorized | 17 Replies

Dog bites man: Stupak caves (or is that redundant?)

The New Neo Posted on March 21, 2010 by neoMarch 21, 2010

Obama will be issuing the executive order, and all is well in Stupak’s world. So it appears this will pass with votes to spare.

[ADDENDUM: Well, Stupak’s been consistent, I’ll say that for him. Watch the video and you’ll know what I’m talking about.]

Posted in Health care reform | 33 Replies

Apré¨s HCR…

The New Neo Posted on March 21, 2010 by neoMarch 21, 2010

…le déluge?

I hope Mike Flynn is correct.

[NOTE: Origins of the French phrase here.]

Posted in Health care reform | 35 Replies

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