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  1. The anniversary of Constatinople’s fall merits the reposting of the following from the previous thread:

    Constantine XI Palaiologos, the last Byzantine emperor, died a hero’s death. Just before the Turks’ final assault the famous elite contingent of Genoese crossbowmen, who had fought valoriously for the emperor throughout the siege, but had determined to escape the doomed city while they still could, offered Constantine a place on one of their ships and asylum in Genoa. The emperor refused their offer, saying that he would fight to the death with his people, on the now-broken walls of his once-fair city. When it was apparent that all was lost, and hordes of Turks were pouring over battlements, he case aside his imperial regalia and wading to the think of the fighting, never to be seen again. After the battle ended the Turks tried to find and identify his body, but could not. The valiant emperor had disappeared into history.

    In the aftermath of the battle the Turkish sultan, Mehmed II — only 22 years old and a vicious pederast — loosed his troops on the city in an orgy of rapine, violence, and destruction. One of the Byzantine nobles was brought with his young son before the sultan, then seated in splendor on a throne set up to celebrate his triumph with appropriate majesty and ceremony. The sultan offered to spare their lives if they publicly converted to Islam. The father and his son refused to convert, and were executed forthwith — although it is said that Mehmed raped the boy before having him beheaded. Very likely this is a true story. Mehmed was well known for his penchant for having sex with young boys..

    It is the descendants of Mehmed and his people who have defiled, and continue to defile, one of the holiest and most beautiful churches in the world by using it as a mosque.

  2. I have heard that song. Never understood the words ’til now.

    “We’re talking about various kinds of conquest and not just the military kind”

    Immigrate, have lots of children, get elected. Take over without firing a shot.

  3. I just learned that today is the 573rd anniversary of the fall of Constantinople.
    ________
    Tomorrow. May 29.

  4. Today is also marked as the day of “Thales’ Eclipse” in 585 BC.

    Some say (following Isaac Asimov, I’m told) this is the earliest known exact day of an historical event, namely of the day a war between the Medes and Lydians was halted by mutual agreement on account of the gods turning day into night. So goes Herodotus’ account, anyhow — but then, Herodotus is well known himself as “The Father of History Lies“.

  5. I totally remember that song! I think I must have heard it first in school, maybe the first time learning world history, like 4th grade? Would have been around 1964 or 1965. I used to sing it to my boys. This is honestly the first time in my life I’ve ever heard anyone else refer to it.

  6. “They Might Be Giants” released a cover version in 1990. It’s got a faster beat and the violin gives it a klezmer feel. The animation is delightfully weird.

    –They Might Be Giants, “Istanbul (Not Constantinople) (Official Music Video)”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XlO39kCQ-8

  7. The Muslims might have been pushed out of Constantinople in the 19th century but apparently the British and French preferred them to Russia.

  8. Reading the lyrics I was wondering how they jam all those syllables in.

    Tonally, there is the middle eastern inflection. But rhythmically, it reminds me very much of “Puttin On the Ritz” with an extra beat or two thrown in. The verse section does anyway. All those syllables!

  9. The Turks were not the first conquerors to sack Constantinople and defile Hagia Sophia with rape, looting and murder; that distinction is held by Crusaders instigated by the Venetians to reimburse them for their transport costs, as documented by an eyewitness named Niketas Choniates in 1204.

    Condemned at the time by Pope Innocent III, but celebrated by a 1580 Tintoretto painting in the Doge’s Palace, which is well worth seeing if you are in the neighborhood, as is all the stuff the Venetians looted such as the iconic horses of St Mark, which Napoleon looted in turn but were eventually sent back to Venice. The horses have collars now because the Venetians had to cut their heads off to fit them in their ships.

    My personal favorite is the statue of the Four Tetrarchs, missing a foot of one of the Emperors, and this foot was just recently rediscovered in Istanbul.

    Of course some of that stuff had got to Constantinople as loot in the first place.

    When the sacred vases and utensils of unsurpassable art and grace and rare material, and the fine silver, wrought with gold, which encircled the screen of the tribunal and the ambo, of admirable workmanship, and the door and many other ornaments, were to be borne away as booty, mules and saddled horses were led to the very sanctuary of the temple. Some of these which were unable to keep their footing on the splendid and slippery pavement, were stabbed when they fell, so that the sacred pavement was polluted with blood and filth.

    Nay more, a certain harlot, a sharer in their guilt, a minister of the furies, a servant of the demons, a worker of incantations and poisonings, insulting Christ, sat in the patriarch’s seat, singing an obscene song and dancing frequently. Nor, indeed, were these crimes committed and others left undone, on the ground that these were of lesser guilt, the others of greater. But with one consent all the most heinous sins and crimes were committed by all with equal zeal. Could those, who showed so great madness against God Himself, have spared the honorable matrons and maidens or the virgins consecrated to God?

    Nothing was more difficult and laborious than to soften by prayers, to render benevolent, these wrathful barbarians, vomiting forth bile at every unpleasing word, so that nothing failed to inflame their fury. Whoever attempted it was derided as insane and a man of intemperate language. Often they drew their daggers against any one who opposed them at all or hindered their demands.

    No one was without a share in the grief. In the alleys, in the streets, in the temples, complaints, weeping, lamentations, grief, the groaning of men, the shrieks of women, wounds, rape, captivity, the separation of those most closely united. Nobles wandered about ignominiously, those of venerable age in tears, the rich in poverty. Thus it was in the streets, on the corners, in the temple, in the dens, for no place remained unassailed or defended the suppliants. All places everywhere were filled full of all kinds of crime. Oh, immortal God, how great the afflictions of the men, how great the distress!

  10. The roots of the crimean war were kind of tangled of course it had been nearly two hundred years since vienna and nearly three hundred since lepanto (where my namesake fought and ended up in an algerian dungeon) the crimea was the prize of the second russian war with turkey under catherines protege potemkin

    One of many wars they fought including a subsequent war in the balkan war along with the second world war over that territory (why russians are reluctant to give it up)

    The would be sultan erdogan sees himself in the light of s conqueror although its interesting how he views the conflict with Persia

  11. I remember the song!

    I’m glad I was able to see Istanbul before Erdogan took over Turkey. I sat and drank coffee at the top of the Golden Horn looking down at the Byzantine city.

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