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  1. The models were never falsifiable; that is, their theories cannot be subjected to the usual scientific method of theory, test, review results, revise theory if needed. We had an epic discussion about this a few years ago with an old friend, a top-tier researcher in space physics. My husband, with degrees in physics and electrical engineering, kept saying, “But, [friend], what about the scientific method?” She just kept saying, “They’re experts and they have models.”

  2. Ah, modelers; groundwater flow modelers, contaminant fate and transport modelers, excess cancer risk (for humans) modelers projecting from now to a thousand years into the future for the cleanup of radioactive waste. Hubris? Science? Not sure but very expensive. Good thing they figured out that there was not enough money in the world to safely dig up the underground tanks and associated piping where I work. Start with removing and treating the waste (make glass or grout); that should be done by 2070. Long after I’ve passed, become a Norwegian Blue.

    Climate change modeling? Much, much farther removed from reality than the models above IMO.

    Chalk up those costs to stoping totalitarian fascists and totalitarian communists. Temporarily anyway. But Iran having a nuke, what about my gas price!

  3. Yup. The United Nations IPCC and their RCP X.Y scenarios have been trending downward in alarmist temperatures for a long while now. I’m surprised they are still as high as 2.5 to 3 degrees.

    Aside from the general outrage about projections that were serious alarmist BS and that their idiots (think Carol Browner) would thump the podium with the smoke screen “peer reviewed science!” there are two things that really bug me about this.

    1) neo calls it hubris, but yes… There are definitely going to be complexities that they just don’t understand well. The one I focus on are the various feedback effects that could greatly reduce the temperature increase. The modelers invoke feedback as a mechanism that makes things worse, which is possible. But it is just as possible that the dominant feedback mechanism(s) make things much better.

    For example, for a while some claimed that the flora biosphere sucking CO2 out of the air had no feedback effect. Their concept is that dead plant life sitting out in the open air will decay and release its carbon back into the air, which can happen. But much of it won’t, as they now understand. Yes, plants can sequester carbon.

    I don’t know if it is a practical time scale, but erosion of rock and earth also sequesters carbon out of atmospheric CO2.

    2) The flora biosphere LOVES the extra CO2 that we now have in the air because of our fossil fuel consumption. Tens of millions of years ago, the atmospheric levels of CO2 were roughly ten times higher than now. Plants today are essentially carbon starved, though a bit less than they were 100 years ago. Crop production everywhere is higher now compared to 100 years ago.

    How often do you hear about that?

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