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The AfD does very well in the recent German elections in Saxony-Anhalt — 47 Comments

1. AfD is a nationalist party on a continent and in a country that is not. The party does not trust the EU for good reasons, among them the forcing of unlimited 3rd world immigration into all Euro countries to precisely destroy every nation in Europe.

   As Elon Musk says, the AfD’s positions are ones that 25 years ago were Centrist and remarkably mainstream but are now labeled Far Right.

   If you watch Elon’s interview by the ghoulish reporter from The Economist a few weeks ago you can completely empathize with anyone voting for the AfD in Germany, or any similar party in Europe. The AfD is simply the German version of MAGA. If on the other hand you want unlimited Islamic immigration and Sharia Law, you won’t like the AfD.

   Every time Musk brought up the problem with the 40 million Muslims in Europe she brushed them aside with, “Of course some things are just problematic.”

   The AfD’s position on Russia or Mongolia for that matter is utterly irrelevant, and besides the point just as Trump’s position on politics in Japan has no bearing on MAGA.

   Incidentally, The Left in Germany detests Alice Weidel, the AfD leader for her support of Israel. Surprise, surprise. Antifa is also violently opposed to AfD which tells you all you need to know about politics in Germany these days.

   Wir schaffen das says Alice, as Mutti Merkel used to say.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuoqKYxDHVc

2. John Galt III:

   25 years ago it was not centrist to be pro-Russia or to consider that it should recapture Ukraine. I don’t think it’s irrelevant, either

   On many other issues, the AfD does seem to be relatively centrist.Wanting to leave the EU would not have been centrist 25 years ago, although i support that.

3. Amazing how an election turns out when the USAID $ is cut off.

4. Before Merkel, Gerhard Schröder was quite the suck-up to Russia. After he retired from the government, he became an executive at Rosneft. Ka-ching.

   Is it fear of Russia or maybe just greed? I’m not knowledgeable enough to answer that.

5. Huh. There are a fair number of free-market and/or “conservative” policy positions on the AfD website. I don’t see how that jibes with a pro-Russia stance. They seem a bit confused.

   https://www.afd.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/2017-04-12_afd-grundsatzprogramm-englisch_web.pdf

6. If Germany waits for the perfect party to take control of its borders, it will be majority Muslim before that ever happens. You could even see a Germany that is majority Muslim AND pro-Russian, which might also be majority Muslim by then: ethnic Russians are not reproducing even as well as ethnic Germans and ethnic Muslims are the only population in Russia that’s growing.

7. This puts a new perspective on Canada’s flirtation with the EU. Of course, you can already buy Canadian citizenship (see Chine$e expat community in Vancouver).

8. Pro Russia has been part of the opposition attack on AfD, and there certainly seem some in the party who support the Russian attack on Ukraine. How deeply it is embedded in the party I have no idea, and it would also be interesting to see what the motivation is. I would be surprised if Russia wasn’t interested in German politics, so that is another angle to keep an eye on.

9. Seems that mail in ballots have changed the results. AfD has gone down percentage wish, and oppos have gone up. Late night dump. Guess the Dems are advising German parties on how to cheat.

10. AfD has been the plurality party in Saxony-Anhalt for several years. It’s performance was telegraphed in every poll. What was uncertain is whether or not it would win an outright majority in the state assembly. It appears to have fallen a few seats short. Had the vote totals for the 4th leftist party (BSW) been about 5% smaller, it would have failed to meet the threshold for representation and AfD might have had its majority.
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    The Christian Democratic Union insists it will not co-operate with AfD or die Linke. It is not possible to form a majority government in Saxony-Anhalt excluding both parties. Something’s gotta give, and we’ll learn something about the Christian Democrats when we see what does.
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    The upcoming election is in Mecklenberg-Pomerania. AfD willl win a plurality, but the most likely result will be a coalition between the Social Democrats and die Linke.

11. Sure, label AfD a right wing extremist party; go right ahead with your mis-labeling.
    There is nothing right wing about wanting to leave the totalitarian Euro Commission.

12. Neo said:

    “John Galt III:

    25 years ago it was not centrist to be pro-Russia or to consider that it should recapture Ukraine. I don’t think it’s irrelevant, either

    On many other issues, the AfD does seem to be relatively centrist.Wanting to leave the EU would not have been centrist 25 years ago, although i support that.”

    25 years ago was 2001 and Gerhard Schrödinger:

    “In 2001, the Social Democratic Party (SPD) led by German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder pursued a policy of close partnership, economic integration, and strategic rapprochement with Vladimir Putin’s Russia.”

    It was totally and utterly Centrist and the policy of the German government at the time. Ukraine like Mongolia did not factor into the equation.

    The Centrist argument 25 years ago before Mass immigration was that is was insane and countries would of course object to the EU doing this.

    The AfD platform is ending the stupid war and actually being neutral. That might not be to anyone’s liking here but it is consistent with ending the European Union/EU strangulation of Germany unless of course you think adding 7 million Muslims to Germany was a good idea.

    Europe is a bloody mess and only Right Wing parties care to do something about it. The other parties are all in on it.

13. I wonder if Karl Mannerheim’s connections, at any given moment in time, gave you a pause regarding the cause of Finnish independence and sovereignty.

14. ”The AfD’s position on Russia…is utterly irrelevant…”

    Germany’s relation with Russia is the most important issue in the country right now. No other issue even comes close. Russia is preparing for war with NATO, and Germany will be caught up in that whether it wants to be or not. So will we.

15. John Galt III:

    I was specifically speaking of supporting Russia’s re-invading and reabsorbing Ukraine, not some general trade agreement, or buying energy from Russia, which has been going on for a long time. Did Schroeder support Russia invading and re-acquiring Ukraine?

    Otherwise, I have said quite clearly that the rest of the AfD’s positions, at least the ones I know about, seem centrist to me.

16. Roosia, aka, Putinstan, is already in a war by proxie, hybrid but not hot, with Europe; drones at the Leipzig airport, blowing up defense contractor facilities in Poland, sabotage of electrical infrastructure in Germany, etc.

    Germany has responded diplomatically such as closing The Russia House in Berlin. Poland has moved armored units close to the Kalininagrad frontier.

    Roosia has been sabotaging undersea cable infrastructure in the Baltic Sea for quite a while.

17. To Europeans everyone not a Socialist/ Marxists is a Extreme Right Wing, blame the Bolsheviks for the term.
    Their definition has lost all meaning.

18. Schroeder was especially sensitive to the Roosian escalation ladder strategy regarding Taurus missile sales to Ukraine, worse than FJB policies.

19. ”Roosia, aka, Putinstan, is already in a war by proxie, hybrid but not hot, with Europe…”

    This is true at the current time, but Russia is preparing for a hot war with Europe. Preparations similar to those of Fall 2021 have begun. Whether Putin will actually pull the trigger, I don’t know, but the signs are there and accumulate day by day.

20. Russia is preparing for war with NATO, and Germany will be caught up in that whether it wants to be or not.
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    Over the space of 23 years, VP built an army that can seize and hold portions of six of the Ukraine’s 25 regions. The Ukraine’s productive capacity is about 1/8th of Russia’s. It may be a while ‘ere ‘war with NATO’ is on the agenda. (Putin’s life expectancy is about 12 years).

21. ”It may be a while ‘ere ‘war with NATO’ is on the agenda.”

    Signs point to within twelve months, not twelve years.

22. I really don’t see Russia wanting to go fight more countries after they got bogged down in Ukraine

23. “Russia is preparing for war with NATO”, mkent

    Right. Putin is so insane that he imagines that nothing could go wrong when he attacks other Nuclear powers…

    P.D.S.

24. neo,

    I don’t think the AfD is in favor of Russia taking Ukraine. Alice Weidel has never said that. They are against the war and are neutral. To some that looks like they favor Russia.They also are inherently opposed to all the present German political parties. whom they feel have sold Germany out.

    From what I read in German blogs they just want what existed before Russia invaded. The AfD is not a pro-war party.

    A party like the AfD that has no power and has never governed and can only talk. Once they have a German State like Sachsen-Anhalt let’s see what they do there.

    I will most certainly change my mind about them if I see something I don’t like.

25. Geoffrey was blaming Putin’s war on Ukraine on NATO expansion, Dravos New World Order, Soros, and Ukraine, but not on Putin’s expansionist Roosian Empire rebirth. Geoffrey railed about the 13 minute flight time of NATO supplied cruise missiles that posed an existential threat to Roosia.

    That was 2022 Geoffrey isn’t credible regarding Roosian intentions or actions.

    IIRC, a few months ago the US intelligence community sent out a warning to Europe regarding Roosian near term hostile acts. Poland has taken heed as have the Baltic nations it seems to me.

26. Not only is ‘pro-Russia’ irrelevant (really no one but the US and China matter here so who cares what Germany thinks, like Canada), it shows deep ignorance of European history and culture.
    If I asked you what country was most responsible for defeating Nazi Germany, would you say the US? Not even close to the Eastern front meat grinder with millions of dead soviets thrown at the Nazis, without which the allies would not have won. And what side did tens of thousands of Ukrainians fight for in WWII, no not the allies, they wore German uniforms invading Soviet Russia which they hated. Yes it was my enemy’s enemy (who cares the uniform worn for revenge for the Homidor) and super complicated over there, but when I see some American basically mimicking the ‘Russia Russia Russia’ of the Trump years, but aimed at AfD, it shows shallow jingoism and no critical thought. Plus your making this claim on state elections so this is like saying California governor Newsom’s foreign policy positions matter at all.

27. The AfD is not without problems, but the two main issues behind their surge — immigration and energy policy — have been almost completely ignored by the major parties with disastrous consequences. Instead of thinking that maybe there is a reason for the AfD’s dramatic rise and maybe they make some good points, the major parties and the media have portrayed them as right wing extremists and Nazis.

    The more they try to minimize the AfD’s concerns and take steps to ban them, the more popular they will become. ARD and ZDF, the two main public television stations, constantly portray the AfD as extreme right-wing radicals. Unless you look for it, it’s not that easy to get objective news coverage in Germany. Their public institutions, like ours, have lost much of their credibility. This is not a healthy state of affairs.

28. Welcome to the backlash…which may or may not “be allowed” to materialize**:

    “Welcome To The World That Now Exists”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/welcome-world-now-exists

    **Which raises the question: Without Churchill (or any memory of him) to provide ballast, will our elites decide that Democracy MUST be jettisoned for the “common good”—this, of course, in order to “save democracy”(!)?

    + Bonus:

    “UBS Calls Brazil Election “Extremely Close” – Bolsonaro Win Would Cement LatAm’s Political Shift”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ubs-calls-brazil-election-extremely-close-bolsonaro-win-would-cement-latinas-political

29. Whatever doesn’t mention French, Dutch, Norwegian, and Baltic peoples who fought in the Waffen SS against the USSR, or Soviet POWs who went over to the Nazi’s to fight the Soviets.

    Save me the worship of the USSR, whatever.

    After the fact certainty of how the war would have turned out are bullshit. Hitler chose to attack the larger more ruthless monster in 1941. That much is known.

30. OM, you are right —– and wrong. Without direct military aid, Russia would have been in deep trouble. Would they eventually help defeat Germany, quite possibly, but in the time that they did.

31. Shirehome:

    I did not mean to imply that the materials supplied to the USSR by the US and Great Britain were not essential nor that the overwhelming losses inflicted on the Nazis by the USSR were of no consequence.

    I merely meant to point out that many Europeans fought against the USSR, not just Ukrainians.

    As it turned out the Allies didn’t have to drop atomic bombs on Nazi Germany.

32. Without direct military aid

    We and the Brits supplied about 75% of the trucks, 20% of the aircraft, 2000 locomotives (Russia produced 2 during the war), and tanks (Shermans were the first Russian tanks into Berlin). That is hardware, add in fuel, cloth for clothing, and food just to keep everyone alive. I think the war in the East might have ended inconclusively when everyone ran out of men. And it would have been an even bigger blood bath.

33. And what side did tens of thousands of Ukrainians fight for in WWII

    Both sides, actually. About 22% of Red Army deaths and 25% of Soviet civilian deaths were Ukrainian.

34. whatever:

    It would be a good idea for you to stop assuming people here know nothing or next to nothing about WWII.

    Not that, at this point, the USSR’s contribution to WWII is especially relevant to what’s going on in Europe today, and support of Russia’s takeover of Ukraine today.

35. John Galt III:

    The AfD wants to stop all aid to Ukraine and establish very close ties with Russia, as well as ending any sanctions on Russia for the war. They want to send Ukrainian war refugees back to Ukraine. They think the West provoked Russia into invading. That is effectively supporting Russia in its takeover.

    See also this:

    As early as 2013, Alexander Gauland, a founding member of the AfD, supported many of Putin’s imperial ambitions, lamenting Russia’s loss of “holy Kyiv” and arguing that Otto von Bismarck’s tacit alliance with Moscow should be a guide.

    The orthodoxy among AfD politicians today is that Ukraine’s war was forced upon Russia by the West, that Ukraine is not really a separate country and that by sanctioning Russia, Germany is only hurting itself.

    Actually, if Germany hadn’t destroyed its own nuclear power, it wouldn’t much need Russian fossil fuels.

    This stance on Russia is pretty much in line with that of the Buchananite right here.

36. Signs point to within twelve months, not twelve years.
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    Signs point to them being unable to take Dnipropetrovsk in the next 12 months, much less any place to the west of that.

37. We don’t like to admit it, but Russia was influential in getting Japan to surrender. Their invasion of Manchuria in 1945 quite possibly was the final straw that broke Japan’s will to be annihilated and probably saved a couple million lives, many of them American.

    Waidmann

38. Stassi smiles.

39. ”Signs point to them being unable to take Dnipropetrovsk in the next 12 months, much less any place to the west of that.”

    So?

40. We don’t like to admit it,

    The Russians invaded on schedule as agreed upon at the Yalta conference. It wasn’t fear of Russian invasion that motivated the Japanese, it was the diplomatic loss of Russia as a middle man in negotiations with the US. That left nothing on the table except the Potsdam Declaration and unconditional surrender.

41. Charles,

    I’m familiar with the debate as to whether it was the dropping of the A-bombs or the Russian invasion of Manchuria that pushed the Emperor into defying his Generals and surrendering. I’ve not heard that the diplomatic loss of Russia was any kind of motivation. But it is a fact that Japan refused to surrender even after we dropped two atomic bombs on them, were threatening to drop a third, had just about destroyed every city worth bombing, were in the process of starving them to death and invading them ourselves. The Russians invaded on the 9th of Aug, and Japan surrendered on the 15th. Interesting timing.

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/second-world-war/war-against-japan/soviet-invasion-manchuria

42. I’ve not heard that the diplomatic loss of Russia was any kind of motivation.

    We intercepted the Japanese cables and such. They were released in 1977-78, and the Soviet records in the early 1990s. The new information triggered the reevaluation of how the surrender took place. There is good documentary evidence for the scenario I presented, it isn’t new. The only difficulty with the Potsdam Declaration was that it didn’t guarantee the continuation of the Emperor, which was a deliberate choice. It did however, demand the surrender of the Military specifically, which was a careful choice. Preserving the Emperor was omitted for domestic American political reasons, but there was room for the Japanese to hope that the Emperor could be preserved. And that was the argument at the highest levels.

43. mkent:

    Putin in his bunker, where is AI filmmaking when you need it?

44. Waildman:

    And yet they surrendered, without much further ado. Now some may claim it was the Soviet’s actions in Manchuria, but did the Japanese or the Soviets know how many bombs the US had?

    If not it is an argument posited to instill guilt for the bombing IMO. IIRC the US still had the Demon Core available for use.

45. Related (AfD…from a maple leaf perspective):

    “When Will There Be An ‘Alternative For Canada’?”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/when-will-there-be-alternative-canada
    Key grafs:

    …A few years ago I wrote “What Does ‘Far Right’ Even Mean Anymore?” and came up with a working definition:

    “Far right” is basically anything that contests the Establishment narrative…

    …Because if you listen to the political establishment and its media organs, there are basically only two possible views around the problems facing Western countries….

    The first is to double-down on what we’ve been already doing, irrespective of hard data showing that the policies of the last decade have made Canada the poorest performing country in the entirety of OECD nations…

    …Door #2 is that anyone who has an issue with this is a “far-right extremist”, or more recently “a maple-MAGA”….

46. And welcome to the backlash to the backlash…

    (Not especially surprising, actually. Could even have been predicted.)

    Don Surber:
    “German politicians are melting down”—
    https://donsurber.substack.com/p/german-politicians-are-melting-down?
    H/T Blazingcatfur blog.
    (https://www.blazingcatfur.ca/2026/09/08/german-politicians-are-melting-down/)

47. So?
    ==
    What are you expecting, exactly?

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