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  1. It would not surprise me if SCOTUS punts on this and leaves it up to Congress to define “jurisdiction” for the purpose of birthright citizenship. Not ideal because a Dem Congress + POTUS could enshrine it into law for illegals. But it would be awfully hard to get an amendment passed.

  2. RINOs are the obstacle for a Convention of The States to address amending the Constitution. That’s your crowd Bauxite.

  3. I have read the text of United States v. Wong Kim Ark which is currently the controlling SC decision on birthright citizenship. Wong, born in the US, was the son of a Chinese citizen with a work permit here who was insisting on his citizenship.

    It is mostly very expansive in defining birthright citizenship. However there is a passage where they say, paraphrasing, that, “it is clear that the father was allowed by the government into the US because he was given a work permit”. This seems to suggest that the decision may not apply to illegal immigrants or that at least their status is more ambiguous. Not sure though that would leave to a definitive rejection of birthright citzenship for illegals.

  4. If SCOTUS leaves it up to Congress to define “jurisdiction” for the purpose of birthright citizenship… it will be a clear case of dereliction of duty and, an implicit declaration that the Constitution is a suicide pact.

  5. @FOAF and Geoffrey Britain…

    I can’t think of a situation in which the Supreme Court has given Congress carte blanche to enact a law that construes a contentious clause of the Constitution. I can’t imagine it happening.

    If the Court were to punt, it would be something like: The President may not issue an EO of this nature. The EO is stricken. As we have no properly enacted statute before us, we make no ruling on the merits. [The implication being that of Congress were to enact such a statute, the Court would deal with it in an appropriate case.]

  6. This whole topic is quite dispiriting. Please read the first several paragraphs of Watt’s link. Through the “Birth Tourism” part.

    I get the idea of stare decisis. A legal understanding that has been in place for something like a century should not be overturned capriciously.

    However… On what planet would a legal system interpret the 14th Amendment to allow Birth Tourism????? Ahhrrgghhh!!

    The correct way to deal with this is to thoroughly read and understand the Congressional debates when the Amendment was written and passed. I haven’t done this. I have read some more recent pros and cons concerning exactly that debate. My guess is that it isn’t even close. Must be “resident” and “under the jurisdiction.”

  7. “Reside” is as important a word as jurisdiction here, as the piece in the Federalist argues. If you don’t “reside” in the USA because you are a tourist, international student, or illegal alien, then you are not a citizen just because you are born in a U.S. jurisdiction. Booker T. Washington and WEB DuBois might both agree.

  8. Having no faith in the Supreme Court, they will split the baby I half at best, allowing statis quo at worse.

    Congress, with 1/4 Marxists, another 1/4 wanting not to upset the apple cart has no desire to fix this.
    Our situation of illegal immigrants is only different that Europe’s want to take over, our Illegals just want to take everything they can get.

  9. In the words of the estimable John Derbyshire, “We are doomed.”

  10. It’s not that SCOTUS won’t it’s that SCOTUS can’t. There’s long-established precedent they’ll be bound to, as they should, and we don’t want the court legislating from the bench.

  11. @ Variant – “It’s not that SCOTUS won’t it’s that SCOTUS can’t. There’s long-established precedent they’ll be bound to, as they should, and we don’t want the court legislating from the bench.”

    You forgot to add “unless the ruling favors the Democrat / Leftist position.”

    Let me make one thing perfectly clear: SCOTUS can do anything it jolly well wants to. They are the only court hat is NOT “bound” by precedent.

    Supreme Court decisions have overturned MANY precedents that were wrongly decided by former Justices, or by lower courts, or by administrative judges, or were just de facto operations aka “common law.”

    If a procedure is unConsitutional then it is wrong. Period.

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