More thoughts and links on Hamas’ massacre in Israel
It has been described variously as Israel’s Pearl Harbor and 9/11, or both combined. And that is at least somewhat the case. The Hamas massacre was Pearl Harbor in the sense of a huge wakeup call that was not anticipated by intelligence. But Pearl Harbor was an attack by members of the Japanese military on military men and material at a military target, so in that sense it was more like a conventional war although war had not been declared.
And the Hamas massacre resembled 9/11 in that it was a massive surprise attack on civilians. But unlike 9/11, in the Hamas attack women and children and old people were specifically targeted, torture and desecration of bodies was common, and hostages were taken in order to use as torture bargaining chips. So Saturday’s horror was worse than 9/11 in that sense. Plus, adjusted for population, the number of people killed and wounded was greater.
But to me, the massacre by Hamas was also like a much smaller version of the medieval Jew-killings that almost eliminated the Jews of Europe, or the Nazi Holocaust. That’s the impulse I see operating, and I have no doubt that the killings would be of everyone in Israel if Hamas had the power.
I won’t watch the videos. The descriptive words are enough. Mark Steyn details the horror in this article, and I’m sure you can find videos all around the internet if you’re so inclined. As I write this, the most recent death toll in Israel is 1200 (9 Americans so far), and I’m inclined to think it will rise further (among other things, many of the wounded are near death and will probably die).
In the aftermath of the attack, Israel has somewhat relaxed its strict gun possession rules, but only somewhat. In addition, there is this:
Energy Minister Israel Katz announces that he has instructed authorities to cut off water to the Gaza Strip.
“I instructed that the water supply from Israel to Gaza be cut off immediately,” Katz says in a statement, adding that the flow of power and fuel was ceased two days ago.
How much of Gaza’s power does this affect? This Guardian article says 80%. That same article manages to barely mention the killings by Hamas in Israel, and certainly leaves out all the important details: the torture and horror, the sneak attack element, and the puposeful targeting of women and children, while it focuses on civilian casualties from the retaliatory raids (raids which are not a surprise at all, by the way).
Here’s an interesting quote:
Ghalayini said Palestinians were awed by the unprecedented nature of Hamas’s incursion into Israeli territory.
But, he added, this was not without widespread fear. “People are also very fearful of what’s to come. But Palestinians, especially in Gaza, have suffered so much over the past 15 years of blockade and attack after attack from Israel, so they feel they have nothing left to lose,” he said.
“Awed” – as in “celebrating the massacre, rape, and torture of helpless women and children.” The entire Guardian article talks about the Palestinians as victims of Israel, as befits a leftist media publication. But the Palestinians’ suffering is actually at the hands of Hamas, whom many support, and who really could not care less how many Palestinians die – even purposely locating military targets in civilian areas such as hospitals in order to use the civilian casualties as propaganda in the Western world.
I doubt that the Palestinians actually feel “they have nothing left to lose,” as quoted in the Guardian. I think most of them know full well they can lose a lot more, and that Hamas has unleashed a response from Israel that might have that result.
[NOTE: I’m not sure where to put this piece of news about certain Harvard groups supporting the Palestinians, so I’ll place it in this post.]
There have been similar statements from Columbia students as well as Harvard.
Edward Luttwak’s classic 1999 article “Give War A Chance” is evergreen: https://peacelearner.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/edward-luttwak-give-war-a-chance1.pdf
I hope Netanyahu is thinking along those lines.
I think that the “Palestinians,” as a group, have earned every bit of lethal misery anyone would choose to inflict upon them.
And recently (but before the current cataclysm) I heard the formulation that the Arab Muslims are occupying parts of Judea and Samaria, which belong to Israel — a different take on the usual “occupation” trope.
What would be an actual solution to the ceaselessly festering problem of the “Palestinians”? Robert Locke posted the answer at VDARE back in 2003, “Is Population Transfer the Solution to the Palestinian Problem—And Some Others?”: https://vdare.com/articles/is-population-transfer-the-solution-to-the-palestinian-problem-and-some-others
A few articles on Revolver of just pictures of killed including a family of a couple, 2 young twin daughters and even younger boy.
I suppose that a certain type of person reads the Guardian to re-enforce their own views and prejudices.
It would be interesting to know how many students at such as Columbia and Harvard are involved in their pro-massacre celebrations. I am not interested enough to look for it; but the reporting is no doubt along the same lines as that when a perpetrator is not identified. If details are omitted, you can draw conclusions in either case. At any rate it is sad, and frightening, since any involved would be defined as among the brightest in the rising generation. I suppose that class credit was awarded for their activism.
I rejected the 9/11 analogy. I suppose if you were comparing the shock that would fit. But 9/11, of course, was a single day event; and as bad as it was the level of atrocities and brutality do not compare. Another feature is that 9/11 seemingly had no motive other than pure hatred, and its goal, if any, was murky. As Neo noted, Pearl Harbor was a military attack on a military target. No, this level of barbarism seems fairly unique for modern times.
Although I don’t agree, I can understand why there are people who believe that Israel is occupying Palestinian territory. I can even understand why these people would think that violence is the only solution to their plight. What I simply can’t understand are those that celebrate the desecration and parading of the bodies of innocent people killed in cold blood. I just can’t put myself in the mindset of people who would do this. I don’t see how it is possible to make peace with people who would do this but I don’t really see a solution to this problem that doesn’t involve horrendous consequences.
This is not like Pearl Harbor in sense we knew an attack was forthcoming but didn’t really think that the IJN had the range to attack Hawaii. This seemed like a complete surprise. A bolt from the blue.
Nov 27, 1941
CNO to CINCPAC
This dispatch is to be considered a war warning x negotiations with Japan looking toward stabilization of conditions in the Pacific have ceased and an aggressive move by Japan is expected within the next few days x The number and equipment of Japanese troops and the organization of naval task forces indicate an amphibious expedition against either the Philippines (printed in ink, “Thai”) or Kra Peninsula or possibly Borneo x Execute an appropriate defensive deployment preparatory to carrying out the tasks assigned in WPL 46 x Inform district and Army authorities x A similar warning is being sent by War Department x Spenavo inform British x Continental districts Guam Samoa directed take appropriate measures against sabotage”
Though it in no way excuses Hamas’ atrocities, in the linked Mark Stein article, real questions are raised as to this apparent Israeli intelligence failure. In addition, Egypt is claiming that they repeatedly warned Israeli intelligence that something big was coming and Israeli intelligence simply ignored it. Then there’s the shifting away of nearly all of the reg. security personnel from the Gaza border. If true, there’s more to this then simply monstrous evil.
If we’re looking for another imperfect analogy, the Diplomad has offered up 1968’s Tet Offensive (https://thediplomad.blogspot.com/2023/10/hamas-goes-tet.html).
Today, Tehran plays the role of Hanoi; Hamas plays that of the Viet Cong.
Here’s the core of the Diplomad’s argument:
“Hanoi, you will remember, convinced the Viet Cong (VC) into launching a frontal attack on US and ARVN forces across South Vietnam on a holiday, taking over cities such as the old imperial capital of Hue, terrorizing pro-Saigon officials, and, most important, getting lots of media attention, e.g., attacking the US Embassy in Saigon. If you read subsequent accounts by VC leaders they argued against this strategy noting that the VC would get annihilated, but they went ahead. Well, it all went per Hanoi’s plan: the VC caught the US and ARVN forces off-guard, terrorized the populace, temporarily seized (with NVA help) Hue, attacked the Embassy, etc. The media reporting, of course, helped foment the belief that the VC were some sort of invincible force, blah, blah, and blah. Once the US and ARVN got their act together, the predictions of the VC leadership came true: the Viet Cong got annihilated, and never again was a significant military force. It was now Hanoi clearly in charge.”
I do wonder if Israeli intelligence circles knew that something was in the wind – and didn’t go full alert because they assumed it was just another messy little pin-prick attack with a handful of casualties, all of which would reflect badly on Netanyahu. It’s very hard to think that an attack this huge, this obvious would just pass unmarked by their intelligence circles. (our own are too busy looking for MAGA insurgents under every bed and figuring out ways to sabotage Trump, so no surprise there.)
But this … the whole of it, with the murder and kidnapping of hundreds, brutalizing children, elderly … and then expecting Israel to put on the kid gloves.
For a good few decades, I haven’t thought very much of the Palestinians. (Didn’t think much of Somalis, after the Blackhawk Down incident, either…)
But this… I won’t shed a tear if Israel turns Gaza into a sheet of glass. Seriously,
Seen on another thread –
“From the River
To the Sea
The Palestinians
Are Dead to Me.”
” What I simply can’t understand are those that celebrate the desecration and parading of the bodies of innocent people killed in cold blood. I just can’t put myself in the mindset of people who would do this.”
Study islam – it’s beliefs and it’s history.
” I don’t see how it is possible to make peace with people who would do this… ”
It isn’t.
This should “fix” things:
Biden administration to pour additional millions into ‘Gender Studies’ in Middle East
Circus clowns are serious by comparison.
The Palestinians are dead to me since Sept 1972 when Jim McKay said:
“Our worst fears have been realized tonight. They’ve now said that there were eleven hostages. Two were killed in their rooms yesterday morning, nine were killed at the airport tonight. They’re all gone.”
Study islam – it’s beliefs and it’s history.
–SueK
I used to bang the table, figuratively, and tell my liberal friends:
Read the Koran!
There is no mystery here. Islam has not been hijacked. We are seeing true Islam in action.
It took a while, but Mossad hunted down and killed all the Palestinians involved in the Munich Olympic Games 1972 massacre.
The Hamas are dead men walking. Not soon enough.
Most people here are knowledgeable. Just in case I would like to mention that Hamas has been dedicated to the obliteration of Israel since its inception:
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Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.
–“Hamas Covenant” (1988) (second paragrah)
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
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I’d also mention that Israel, in its repeated, doomed efforts to Give Peace a Chance, unilaterally withdrew its military forces and settlements from Gaza, and gave Gaza to the Palestinians.
The Palestinians were happy to take Gaza, then looted the greenhouses left by the Israelis. Hamas and Fatah had a civil war and Hamas won.
The world press blamed Israel, as they still do.
Sitting at a bar after a long day ruminating on the events of the last 72 hours or so, and had the following thought/wish. Just how proud would you be of your country if you knew we truly had Israel’s back at this moment?
Sgt. Mom: I had the same thought. Apparently there is some serious Netanyahu Derangement Syndrome going on and just as with the crazy leftists here “the end justifies the means”. Sadly, as sick as it is, I wouldn’t put it past some so filled with hate that they would consider sacrificing their fellow citizens. It’s disgusting.
Tonight on nbc news they interviewed a Brandeis professor whose daughter and son in law were killed, grandson shot and home set on fire. He said “these weren’t the ones they should have killed” – presumably because as he just mentioned they sent their son to a school that taught both Hebrew and Arabic. Perhaps I missed something; I was aghast. Which ones Were the ones who should have been killed?! Again, disgusting. All this talk of this uniting the people of Israel, yet within 48 hours that unification seems weak.
I will add that I read somewhere that the Israeli military and bureaucrats (maybe their version of a deep state) etc. was so focused on getting Netanyahu and some issue re Judicial reform that it caused some of the intelligence failures. I don’t know if we’ll ever find out. I continue praying for God’s chosen people and the Holy Land. May true peace arise out of this horrible tragedy.
Blockade? A blockade that let 5000 rockets slip through, along with paraglides, etc. Maybe Hamas should focus on providing goods and services rather than war and misery.
No sympathy for the Gaza Arabs.
* I meant intelligence, not (or maybe in addition to) military command
Maybe Hamas should focus on providing goods and services rather than war and misery.
This is exactly what the “smart” set said would happen. I could google and deliver articles by the likes of Tom Friedman, of the NYT no less, arguing that now that Hamas has to be responsible for garbage pickup, everything would change, but I’m too dismissive of their like to bother.
I will say, grudgingly, in their defense, many Israelis wanted this to be true as well. And here we are.
“…I can understand why there are people who believe that Israel is occupying Palestinian territory. I can even understand why these people would think that violence is the only solution to their plight.” Gregory Harper
This is why I do watch the videos. If someone to my face made such a statement I would stop them point blank and declare that they are defending Satan himself. All the money that is poured into Gaza and the Palestinians causes and they claim they live in an “open prison”. No excuses…no excuses.
I firmly believe and recommend that Palestine be bulldozed into the Mediterranean, All of it, taking the Palis with the destroyed buildings out to sea. Yes, there may be “good” Palis in Palestine, but there were good Germans in Germany and that did not stop Bomber Harris and his carpet bombing of Germany in WWII.
Tit for tat, Hamas.
And Israel will have to go after Hezbollah in Lebanon preventively.
These 2 swine may not exist any longer in any shape or form.
I understand that President Biden will finally be giving a speech about the Hamas atrocities tomorrow. I am also scheduled for a colonoscopy tomorrow.
Tomorrow’s gonna be great!!!
Mike Plaiss:
I tend to figure that the first time something is tried, if a person is too hopeful about its likely results, it’s at least an understandable mistake. After that, if they continue to believe the same thing, they’re either stupid or lying. At this point, no one should believe any good will come of any concessions whatsoever to Hamas.
DisGuested:
I would tend to cut the guy some slack. First of all, I believe he’s about 80-something, and he just lost his daughter and son-in-law in a violent attack. But also, if you have a link to the quote I’d appreciate it; I looked just now and can’t find where he said “‘these weren’t the ones they should have killed’ – presumably because as he just mentioned they sent their son to a school that taught both Hebrew and Arabic.” It seems to me that, if he did indeed say that, he could be meaning that it’s ironic that this particular family did not hate Arabs, but that the terrorists didn’t care about such things. I don’t interpret such a remark, if he indeed said it, as meaning that there was any Israeli the terrorists should have killed.
More from Troen, who certainly doesn’t appear to be cutting the killers any slack:
In the aftermath of the attack, Israel has somewhat relaxed its strict gun possession rules, but only somewhat.
So, so, wrong headed.
Sharon W:
Just to clarify, understanding why people might believe something does not mean that I think those beliefs are justified. It only means that I can comprehend the motivation. I understand why someone might want to rob a bank even though I think it’s wrong. I just can’t imagine ever finding a justification for desecrating bodies regardless of whether or not I thought I was being oppressed by an occupying power.
TommyJay, speaking of alternate universes (I was earlier) an AK 47 in every Israeli household with trained users. Maybe the fanatics would have done it anyway, but at far higher cost.
At this point, no one should believe any good will come of any concessions whatsoever to Hamas.
neo:
No disagreement at my keyboard, but what of Israelis? Will they unite as Americans did after 9-11 (for a while anyway)?
I agree with Caroline Glick, but is that message getting through to the Israeli left?
Time will tell, as newscasters say.
Gregory Harper: “What I simply can’t understand are those that celebrate the desecration and parading of the bodies of innocent people killed in cold blood. I just can’t put myself in the mindset of people who would do this.”
Chris Hedges, who is otherwise an intellectually dishonest sh1t, explains it this way: “War is a force that gives us meaning.” No doubt the same is true of jihad and genocide.
Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood has a long and sordid history going back to the 1930s when it was funded and trained by the Nazis. Its leader after WWII was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who was a Nazi war criminal and managed to escape to Egypt. The Egyptian government designated them a terrorist group for years after the 1950s for violent uprisings organized by them. Anwar Sadat who made peace with Israel in the late 1970s was assassinated by them for bringing peace.
MBs most recent atrocities were carried out after the “Arab Spring” in 2010. They were elected to govern Egypt and promptly began oppressing and murdering the Coptic Christians who are literally the very first members of that religion anywhere. The military, led by al Sisi, overthrew them and put them in jail.
Al Sisi remains as the dictator of Egypt to this day, although a very forward looking one for a Muslim. In January of 2015 he went to the Al-Azhar and the Awqaf Ministry, the highest religious authorities in Islam and read them the riot act.
it is not “possible that 1.6 billion people [reference to the world’s Muslims] should want to kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants—that is 7 billion—so that they themselves may live”
In simple language, Islam is the problem, Hamas is just a symptom.
https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2015/01/01/egypts-sisi-islamic-thinking-is-antagonizing-the-entire-world/
Gregory Harper:
Read the Koran!
The Hadith are good too.
Islam is simply a barbaric religion. Most Westerners have no idea. It’s not Christianity with a turban. Mohammed was a serious warlord.
The eighth chapter of the Koran is titled “Spoils of War.” There is no other major religious text with such a chapter.
Pail in Boston @ 11:04 pm.
Amen brother.
Wahhabi’s (1703-1792) interpretation of the Quran and Mohamed’s life was the beginning. Sayyid Qtub (1906-1966) picked it up and spread it throughout Egypt and other Muslim countries. Qtub and some friends started the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Its adherents have been murdering people, especially Jews, but all infidels are their targets.
Until this branch of Islam (which many will say is the only true branch) dies out, there will be no lasting peace between them and the rest of the world.
Qtub’s book, “Milestones,” is the jihadi handbook. You will find it in every terrorist camp.
As al Sisi says, they are at war with 7 billion people or more. They don’t hesitate to kill other Muslims who don’t share their Wahhabi beliefs (Apostates).
I’m not sure how you deal with such fanatic beliefs other than to kill them or keep them strictly isolated from those they would harm.
In re Islam and the Quran, an interesting discussion regarding its verity, on Sarah Hoyt’s post, which was about the Hamas attack and is worth reading itself.
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2023/10/09/shut-your-kumbaya/#comment-942000
suburbanbanshee says:
October 9, 2023 at 6:47 pm
You know… In a lot of ways, this shows the Muslim world being weak.
There are huge numbers of young men and women who are breaking away from Islam. Iran had some ridiculous number of mosques close in the last few years, because nobody was going there or donating.
Online apologetics and arguments tend to show that almost any religion is a better option than Islam, and a lot of terrible facts show up that have been concealed. Just a few weeks ago, there was a big online kerplop when some semi-famous Islamic guys did a religion show about how Allah says it is okay to lie to your wives or secretly marry other wives, with their wives as guest stars. Needless to say, the women were unthrilled. Or the bit where Muslims learned that Quran texts differ quite a lot, when they had been told that all Qurans were exactly the same.
So the Muslim leaders who are aggressive already, are starting to panic. They show their panic by violence and death, as a desperate attempt to show zeal. But they know they cannot win.
Obviously it is better to refute them on the physical violence front also, if they are going to try it at all, and especially this horrifically.
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Lauren says:
October 9, 2023 at 8:07 pm
I’ve heard “You read the wrong version” (of the quran) from the same people who told me that all versions are the same. There’s also a belief that all teachings are the same, in spite of proof to the contrary.
If you want to know their version of the end of the world, read Revelations with the roles reversed. Isa (Christ), returns alongside the 12th Imam to lead the 200 million man army against the Jews.
This army will be the only source of peace, with the rest of the world at war, and the infidel will have two choices–either join the army and fight against the Jews (marked in the hand) or support the army (marked in the forehead). The third choice being death.
Put the two accounts together, you get a very interesting picture.
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11B-Mailclerk says:
October 9, 2023 at 9:12 pm
The Koran is only in Arabic. There is one version only. Editing is strictly forbidden.
There is endless explanations, interpreting, and example stories.
But they do avoid that whole “which translation” thing.
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suburbanbanshee says:
October 9, 2023 at 10:54 pm
Well, that was one reason they have stabbed and tried to kill the Christian evangelist Hatun Tash at Speaker’s Corner in London.
She demonstrated with visual aids that there are at least 23 different versions of the Arabic Quran in print, and historically there were over 50.
The Egyptians and Saudis push a single edition created in the 1920’s, but in Morocco they use a totally different one. And lots of other Muslim groups also use different versions, which are historically standard for them.
There are literally thousands of current variants, without even getting into the ones mentioned as historical in a hadith.
This is a very big deal in the Muslim world, and one of the things that is causing a lot of strife beneath the surface.
Thus the attempt to stop their people from thinking about it.
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suburbanbanshee says:
October 9, 2023 at 10:59 pm
No, there are (curently) 23 different Arabic versions of the Quran, most prominently the Moroccan version (which is totally different from the 1920’s edition pushed by the Saudis and Egyptians).
Historically there were hundreds of different versions, but most of them did not survive to the present day.
Most Muslims were unaware of this until recently, which is one reason a lot of them are dissatisfied.
Bari Weiss has been on top of the reports about the Hamas invasion at her Substack, the “Free Press”.
This is as good an explanation of the situation as I have yet seen, and is framed in a fashion that makes its contents suitable for rebutting ones Democrat friends who are still entwined in the media’s anti-Israel tendrils.
https://www.thefp.com/p/hamas-war-on-israel-everything-you-need-to-know
Rebuking the pro-Palestinian faction in somewhat stronger terms.
https://www.thefp.com/p/this-is-what-decolonization-looks
Eli Lake’s expository observations on the genesis of the current situation are marred, like many others including Glenn Reynolds, by the no-longer-tenable excuse that the Democrats are “deluded” about their Middle East policies, instead of demented.
https://www.thefp.com/p/delusion-in-the-white-house
John Hayward is more blunt than Lake, but still doesn’t drill down under the real-politick to Obama Inc’s hatred of Israel s a factor in its facilitation of an Iranian hegemony.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1711361850074366417.html
However, I’m not as pessimistic as Doc Zero, considering some of the indications that this time Hamas (IOW Iran) may indeed have gone too far, and the media can’t cover-up their atrocities as completely as usual, despite their frantic attempts.
Gaming out doesn’t guarantee the results you prefer will actually occur.
Will this visibly brutal attack be a tipping point in Western support outside of the die-hard Islamic communities & Leftist circles?
In re allegations that Egypt warned Netanyahu about the impending attack and was brushed off, streiff analyses the claim and dismisses it as propaganda.
https://redstate.com/streiff/2023/10/09/the-knives-just-came-out-for-netanyahu-n2164858
Another reason to honor Columbus:
https://redstate.com/heartlandinstitute/2023/10/09/christopher-columbus-and-hurricanes-in-the-atlantic-n2164870
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There will be an official inquiry once the war settles down and the Israeli intelligence agencies will scramble to deflect blame for the total surprise of the massive attack. The Leftist Israeli press will join with the intelligence agencies to blame Netanyahu aided and abetted by Left wing Israeli parties.
It is refreshing that no one is accusing the “misunderstanderers” (to use a Bushism) of Islam “hijacking a great religion.” We are seeing the true face of Islam.
I was a naval intelligence officer for 20 years. I did all my operational tours in the Pacific/Indian Ocean. Two countries took up 90% of my time. North Korea and Iran.
Naturally I studied Chuche (or Juche, since the only proper spelling is in Hangul), North Korea’s national ideology as well as their military doctrine which is tailored for the Korean peninsula. Both of which are widely available in unclassified sources, particularly Chuche as the North Koreans think its principles are universal and has been widely exported. It incorporates Marxism-Leninism but also quite a bit more. It’s practically a religion (Kim Il Sung is reputed to have been born on a sacred mountain, and when he was born auspicious portents were seen in the sky).
Just as naturally I studied the national ideology of Iran; the Quran and the hadith collections. I also read the Sirah or biographical literature since both agree on the same set of facts while Muhammad was alive. The split came after he died and had to do with succession. The Shia regard the first three “rightly guided” (from the Sunni perspective) caliphs as usurpers and the fourth, Muhammad’s son-in-law Ali, as the only legitimate heir to the throne. They have different sets of villains; according to the Sunni ahadith Muhammad was killed by a “Jewess” who poisoned a roasted sheep she served to Muhammad and his companions after the Battle of Khaybar. In which the Muslims killed her father, uncle, and husband.
Pro tip: don’t let a woman cook you dinner after you murdered her family.
But according to the Shia collections it was Aisha who poisoned Muhammad at the urging of her father and Muhammad’s father-in-law, Abu Bakr, who wanted to eliminate him and take over as leader of the Muslims. Naturally you won’t find any ahadith in the four canonical hadith collections of the Shia, the Khutub al Arba, attributed to Aisha as you will in the Sunni Khutub al Sittah (the six books).
I actually had taken enough Islamic studies courses in college that I could have double majored in political science and religious studies, but I figured life would be tough enough with a poli sci degree; I didn’t want people to think I was a God botherer too. Also English transliterations of the Shia hadith collections weren’t available yet, but English transliterations of the Sunni texts were just starting to become available beginning with Sahih al Bukhari. Fortunately as I said the split between Sunni and Shia was political, not theological, you’re working with the same basic material, so while the cast of characters falls into the mix differently you still wind up at the same place. And it’s a vile, evil place as we’ve seen playing out in southern Israel.
Absolutely nothing I was doing was the least bit controversial as I continued to study Islam as more material became available until I retired in 2008. Fortunately before Obama was elected. Because in 2011 in what was obviously a move coordinated with various Islamic groups all associated with the original Islamic terrorist group, the Muslim Brotherhood, he through his national security advisor John Brennan agreed to eliminate all references in training materials for federal law enforcement, intelligence, and national security personnel to Islam as a source of terrorism. And essentially fired all training contractors who taught that Islam was a source of terrorism and retrained (re-educated really) government trainers. All the trainers had to essentially be approved by CAIR; anything less would be “Islamophobic.” This would be like trying to win WWII with a Japanese national security adviser approved by General Tojo lest we be called racists.
Of course the rot had set in before the coordinated move between the various MB front groups and the Obama administration (reminiscent of the more recent coordinated move between AG Garland and the National Association of School Boards to designate outraged parents as domestic terrorists). Recall the 2009 Fort Hood shooting. I read the official report. What was deliberately eliminated from the report was any mention of Islam or the perpetrator Nidal Hassan. Nidal Hassan had given his colleagues a power point presentation about why he was going to do exactly what he ended up doing. They understood it clearly and took it to the commanding officer. Who promptly threatened their careers since Nidal Hassan was the only Palestinian “American” in the Armed Forces and therefore checked all the diversity blocks that he, the commanding officer, needed to advance his career.
Recall the Tsarnaev brothers, and the fact that Russian security service personnel warned their counterparts in the FBI that the elder brother had gone to Chechnya to wage Jihad. The FBI still dropped the ball, no doubt because their CAIR/Ikhwan-approved trainers had taught them that Jihad consists only and entirely of soul-cleansing spiritual struggle.
As somebody pointed out on one of these Hamas atrocity-related threads, you will find no chapter remotely like chapter 8 in the Quran, “The Spoils of War,” in any other religious texts. Those spoils include sex slaves.
Surah 4:24 (quran.com) “Also ?forbidden are? married women—except ?female? captives in your possession.1 This is Allah’s commandment to you. Lawful to you are all beyond these—as long as you seek them with your wealth in a legal marriage, not in fornication. Give those you have consummated marriage with their due dowries. It is permissible to be mutually gracious regarding the set dowry. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.”
Naturally the sex slaves are sought purely for fornication, not marriage. And the Halali Khan version makes it clear these sex slaves aren’t just your captives, since sex slaves can be bought and sold as the captors please. Naturally it’s the Saudi approved version of the Quran. It’s printed at the King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Quran (“Holy;” yeah, right) and tens of thousands of copies are distributed for free to pilgrims arriving in Mecca for the Hajj every year. I say naturally because there isn’t a distinction either in the Arabic language or in Islam between a domestic servant and a slave. So domestics from the Philippines, India, etc., routinely have their passports confiscated by the families they work for, and are raped by husband. And the wife/wives don’t mind one bit. In fact, if this video out of Kuwait a few years ago is any indication they find the domestic’s plight wildly amusing.
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/maid-begged-for-help-while-hanging-from-kuwait-apartment-window-her-employer-held-up-a-camera
“Maid begged for help while hanging from Kuwait apartment window.
Her employer held up a camera
‘Oh crazy, come here,’ a woman says casually in Arabic, holding a camera up to the maid. Advocates say its just one example of widespread abuse of domestic workers”
The maid survived the fall when she finally lost her grip since there was a sheet metal awning over the ground floor entrance several stories down. It was a hard landing but not nearly as hard as it would have been if she hit concrete; sheet metal flexes a bit.
I think I’ll have as much sympathy for the residents of Gaza as that chortling Kuwaiti witch had for her Ethiopian maid. Difference being that the maid didn’t do anything to deserve what happened to her. But Hamas, which per their own charter is simply the Gazan wing of the Ikhwan and their ululating, Allahu Akbar* shouting, corpse desecrating supporters certainly have earned everything the Israelis are going to do to them and no doubt more.
*Let’s dispense with the BS. Allahu Akbar does not mean “God is great.” That would be Allahu Kabir. Allahu Akbar means Allah is greater. Greater than your God. Whatever it is you’re fighting for, Allah is greater. It is a supremacist war cry.
Neo: It is at 20:19
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news-netcast/video/nightly-news-full-broadcast-october-9th-194771525981
“These are not the people who should have been killed by hatemongers” – well who Should have been killed?
I will cut him some slack as I do not know him at all and what he is suffering now is just horrible. It just seems like where is that coming from? Did it slip out that there are others that more deserved killing – perhaps because they weren’t so progressive? I’m thinking maybe there are some conservative Israelis who do not think it is possible to coexist with people who hate you and have vowed to wipe you off the face of the earth. People who didn’t want their children learning arabic culture. Maybe to him the Islamic terrorists would have made sense to kill Those people. Again I do not know him, but I know of progressive elites…
It just sounds horrible to my ear. Maybe he just doesn’t get Evil.
Re “should have been killed”
It makes me think of this, which another commenter posted in one of your threads:
“Many of the murdered and captured were not the usual targets. They came from leftist families and from the echelon of the elites. Had they been ‘settlers’, it could have been written off. But perhaps the Israeli Left is now willing to reclaim Gaza and end Hamas.”
http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2023/10/the-jewish-religious-response-to.html
The Leftist Israeli press will join with the intelligence agencies to blame Netanyahu aided and abetted by Left wing Israeli parties.
Israel has joined the suicidal western Intellectuals. Ask Sudetan Germans what happens when you start a war and lose it. The Arabs tried to eradicate the Jews in 1948 and lost. They tried again in 1967 and in 1973. The Israeli youth is as stupid as American youth. America has a chance to survive the idiotic policies that are putting us at risk. Israel has no room for such folly.
Why is Pakistan considered a “real” country when its foundation was purely as a refuge for Muslims ?
Thanks Steve.
Awesome post.
Particularly the description about Obama’s (and Brennan’s) sinister “Transformation” of the armed services and FBI, etc… as well as your assiduous and comprehensive studies about Korea and Islam.
“These are not the people who should have been killed by hatemongers”
Didn’t Michael Moore say the same thing about New Yorkers after 9/11?
It finally occurred to me after long reflection on the relations between “ultra-nationalist” Israelis and Palestinians living in Israel, that the history there might be part of the reason the government of Israel has been so reluctant to allow militia weapons to be held at ready by the general citizenry.
All it takes is one lunatic like Baruch Goldstein acting out his grievances and indifferent to the consequences, to drag a mixed population into social war. Wars, which some of these mass murderers across numerous nations, including ours, have hoped to precipitate.
As if that kind of thing needed additional stimulus.
Baruch, you may not be responsible for the massacre of your fellow citizens who you left behind after your orgiastic embrace of homicide, but you certainly did not contribute to their ability to become less vulnerable.
DNW:
That’s one potential problem. Another is this: do you let the Jewish Arab population have guns? If you let Jews have them and not the Arabs, what a propaganda point for the Arabs that would be!