It’s become more dangerous for gay people in Western Europe
As soon as I saw the headline—“Violence Against Gays on the Rise in Europe”—I figured I could guess why that might be occurring.
What group is also “on the rise” in Europe, that has a problem with gay people? Yes, it’s Muslims, who are apparently responsible for most of these attacks on gay people in Western Europe, although the media there doesn’t like to say so:
I looked at several news stories (in several languages) about these incidents – and about that October 22 rally. None of them included the words Muslim or Islam, even though the Religion of Peace is, to put it mildly, a major part of the problem – not just in Paris, of course, but all over Western Europe. Everybody knows this, even though virtually nobody feels comfortable talking about it. In most media reports of such incidents, indeed, the Islamic factor can only be discerned through exceedingly careful reading.
Western Europe is proud of its accepting attitude towards gay people, and until this point most of its leaders have been proud of their welcome to Muslims from all over the world. But the two values cannot co-exist very well at all. The author of the linked piece writes about his own experience:
Even as the growing Muslim population in Dutch cities has driven gays into the provinces and reduced Amsterdam’s gay scene to a shadow of its former self, Dutch gay activists have backed off entirely from truth-telling about this topic, not only insisting that Muslims pose no threat to gays but anathematizing the likes of Geert Wilders for daring to suggest otherwise.
…[L]iving in the Netherlands and Norway for the past twenty years, my partner and I, between the two of us, have experienced five encounters with Muslims that I think it’s fair to call assaults. (Two involved knives; two involved attempted beatings; I don’t include nasty sidewalk shoving, spitting, and name-calling.) I’ve lost track of the number of friends and acquaintances in Western Europe who’ve been gay-bashed by Muslims; the number of gay people I know who have been killed by Muslims in Western Europe stands, so far, at one. (That murder, a knifing, occurred in the victim’s office in the center of Oslo.)
Gay people and Jews are the canaries in the European mine. Both groups have seen their safety (and their liberty to act as they wish while in public) decline as the Muslim immigrant population has increased there. To a certain extent, the same is true for women, whose Western freedoms of mobility and dress face the increased risk of violence (especially sexual violence) as well, also mostly at the hands of the Muslims of Western Europe (particularly the recent arrivals [see *NOTE below]).
It is difficult to acknowledge these truths without sounding bigoted. And it is definitely true that the vast majority of European Muslims are not beating gay people up or raping women. But it also must be acknowledged that the vast majority of people who are doing just that are Muslim immigrants, and that so far Western Europe has seemed powerless and/or unwilling to do much about it.
[*NOTE: I tried to find some statistics on whether it’s just the recent arrivals from Muslim countries who participate in the violence, or whether their European-born and/or raised offspring are heavily involved as well. I had difficulty finding any information on that in the short time I had to research this post, but the linked article points out that Bulgaria has a lot of Muslims who’ve been living there for generations, and the rates of sexual violence in Bulgaria are low. I would guess that rates may also have something to do with which Muslim countries furnish the immigrants, because there may be differences between Muslim countries on that score.]
Muslims in Bulgaria are mostly Turks, a heritage of Ottoman Empire which ruled the country for 5 centuries. They do not read Arabic and so isolated by language barrier from the worst aspects of the militant and puritanical Wahhabi teachings and more gravitated to much more tolerant traditional Islam. Bulgaria is a very traditionalist, pre-modern society where everybody knows his place on social ladder, and the Turks are at the very bottom of it. They do all kinds of hard and dirty work, like chopping firewood or digging the trenches by spades. And yes, they are not invaders or new arrivals, they lived there for generations and are well integrated into this almost feudal social structure.
Mentioning Islam isssssssssssssst VERBOTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111q!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So the social progressives manage to restructure the laws of metropolitan society to suit them, and then have to flee to the provinces to escape what it is that they have created.
Of course, the “compassionate conservatives” in the provinces, secret masochist perverts that they are, hasten to welcome them.
Yeah, what we need is more birth control hormones in the water supply .. That will fix it.
This is closely related to the concept of “pinkwashing”, an insane anti-Zionist complaint when someone points out how much better gays are treated in Israel than the rest of the Middle East.
Western Europe is proud of its accepting attitude towards gay people,
That’s commonly manifest by declaring the ordinary discretion people once had about who they rent to, who they hire, with whom they transact business, and what the manners are in the workplaces they own are now actionable torts. Decentralizalized communal negotiation of manners and morals is replaced by lawyers and sundry compliance people bossing everyone around (and recruiting straw plaintiffs to assist them in this task). I’m sorry people are getting knocked around as that’s not right. I’d be more viscerally sympathetic if Baronelle Stutzman hadn’t been ruined because, you know, Love Wins!
So…how long have the Euros been smoking weed?
“…To a certain extent…”
Actually, to an unacceptably and (what should be an) embarrassingly large extent.
But women, it seems, like gays, like Jews, are expendable in the larger scheme of things, AKA “the greater good”(!).
And while we’re on the subject of Bulgaria, there’s this recent event, chilling in its implications for journalists; that is, unless the attack on this particular journalist was purely a “coincidence” (that is, if there is anyone who still believes in coincidences…):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/bulgaria-suspect-arrested-in-the-rape-and-murder-of-journalist/2018/10/10/6c1d9614-cc60-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html?utm_term=.447cb46fa70b
RE: “Gay people and Jews are the canaries in the European mine.”
I agree 100%.
RE: “I tried to find some statistics on whether it’s just the recent arrivals from Muslim countries who participate in the violence …”
(1) It’s worth looking at public opinion polls. Channel 4 in the UK did a poll of Muslims in the UK. It was roundly criticized, but it shows a great deal of support for conservative views by Muslims, including a condemnation of homosexuality. Pew did similar polling for multiple countries. I can’t find it right now (busy day), but I remember that one of these polls included a question about how long they had been in the UK, and they found that conservative views appeared to last — even to those born in the UK. Furthermore, the Ch4 poll shows that a high percentage of those with conservative views still look upon the UK as their home.
(2) There are a lot of “recent arrivals” in Europe. Even if recent arrivals are the problem, that may not help much.
(3) There is a substantial number of stories about how fighters are recruited by militant groups in the UK. Those stories point to young men who see the UK as the only country they have ever known.
Based on polls; stories from family and friends; and personal experience, I conclude that the real challenge for much of Europe is that various ethnic/religious groups tend to live in enclaves. Instead of melting pot, there are large undissolved clumps. That’s not good. The success of the US is in getting immigrants to accept and share the values and norms of our society.
RE: “Bulgaria has a lot of Muslims who’ve been living there for generations, and the rates of sexual violence in Bulgaria are low. I would guess that rates may also have something to do with which Muslim countries furnish the immigrants, because there may be differences between Muslim countries on that score.”
Yes, see the Pew Research polls. However, it may also be true that Bulgaria does a better job in getting immigrants to assimilate.
Islam seeks submission. That is all you need to know. Do all muslims believe non-believers need to submit? No. If 10% do and muslims comprise 10 % of a non muslim country‘s population, that country will eventually become a muslim country as the muslims will out breed you.
Islam in general seeks to destroy Western Civilization. If that not obvious?
Wait till the believe women feminists figure out that the islamics they been inviting to replace their lack of births and their hated potential mates, believe under sharia that a woman’s word is worth only half that of a man…
oh oh…
and unlike the local guys who have local images and so easy to shame
these guys? not so much…
I guess this is Tragic Comedy week at the pool on Mt Olympus and we are the laugh reels…
So the social progressives manage to restructure the laws of metropolitan society to suit them, and then have to flee to the provinces to escape what it is that they have created.
How truly insightful Mary Godwin’s Geneva nightmare was…
(before she married Percy and her name changed)
“It is difficult to acknowledge these truths without sounding bigoted.”
Bigot:
“a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.”
Factual observations are not opinions. Declaring factual observations to be biased opinion motivated by bigotry is willful deceit. Whether self-deceit or not is immaterial as it supports falsehood.
“I tried to find some statistics on whether it’s just the recent arrivals from Muslim countries who participate in the violence, or whether their European-born and/or raised offspring are heavily involved as well.”
History demonstrates it to be an irrelevancy. There is only one destination in Islam.
“Wait till the believe women feminists figure out that the islamics they been inviting to replace their lack of births and their hated potential mates, believe under sharia that a woman’s word is worth only half that of a man… Artfldgr
Half? It’s much worse than that.
“Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men (who presumably develop a conscience afterwards) are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.”
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/rape-adultery.aspx
A common penalty for a married woman’s ‘adultery’ is being stoned to death.
Let not tag this to religon
Looks thrs immigrant came and they can not leave thier culture an bad behaviors
Let read
Grooming gangs abused more than 700 women and girls around Newcastle after police appeared to punish victims
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-uk-britain-newcastle-serious-case-review-operation-sanctuary-shelter-muslim-asian-a8225106.html
Islam is Eastern Europe is heavily segregated. Actually, the problem with Bosnians (Muslims) that led to Balkan wars appeared when they left their mountains. This is Bulgaria:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Ethnic_composition_of_Bulgaria%2C_2011.PNG
And that explains the low sexual assault rate. Is Islamic culture prone to rape women? NOPE. So… what happens then?
Well, the trick is that Islam doesn’t consider infidel women as ‘women’ as such, and I mean, women as beings that deserve to be protected by society. For example, those ‘Hollywood’ Haarems were women are portrayed as walking around half-naked were real, but they were composed by sexual slaves from non-Islamic areas, since nobody would have allowed having an Haarem with decent Muslim women walking around half-naked. Actually, while America imported slave workforce from Africa, sexual slaves were an incredibly popular product to sell to Islamic countries.
So, is it Islam prone to sexual assault against women?. Again, nope. Only against female infidels that reject to embrace Islam and, that way, become real women. In the mindset of Islam, you can’t count infidel females as women.
I read Pew polls and other indicators but I think the Turkish election where Erdogan put up a referendum changing the constitution to favour himself as an Islamist president is a more reliable indicator of what is happening with diaspora Muslims. The referendum passed by a bit over 50% of the vote in Turkey but European Turkish Muslims, who were allowed to participate in the referendum, voted by 70% for the referendum. That result seems to me to confirm that Muslims in the West get more conservative and that they are in fact not assimilating and that Douglas Murray is quite correct to warn of “The Strange Death of Europe”.
@Igude
That’s a well known trend. A old girlfriend of mine, sociologist, who had been working for the French government, talked to me about that… 15 years ago.
It was (and it’s) a known effect that happens in the second generation (and later ones). Since the immigration is massive, the new generation doesn’t blend in the host society. People need some root identity, so they go back to the original national values.
It’s not that Turkish are more conservative in Europe. It’s that they’re turning conservative (and for a Turkish that means: Islam and Turkish nationalism, which by the way genocided Armenians, Asirians and Greeks a century ago).
The same effect is happening in US. The difference is that it’s happening to the white population, which is quickly becoming a minority in their own country. The difference is that in that case ‘conservative’ means American and Republican values. Conservative just means that you ‘conserve’, but ‘conserved’ values can be very different.
“Gay people and Jews are the canaries in the European mine.”
I’d say in this particular case, tween and teen girls have been the canaries, too. How many tens or thousands of British girls have been drugged, raped, pimped out, and abused by so-called grooming gangs? For how many years has this been ignored and covered up by British authorities who could have stopped it?
“It is difficult to acknowledge these truths without sounding bigoted.” The problem is with Islam. It is barbaric and it will never be reformed.
How about this? I don’t like Islam. It barely qualifies as a religion. I assert that it was begun as a scam by a con man and warlord. He made a bunch of money, killed lots of people and had a number of young wives. What is divine or godly about that?
Compare St. Ignatius Loyola to Osma bin Laden. The first guy built a world-wide network of schools and helped souls. The second guy killed 3,000 innocents and started a war that continues to this day.
That networks of schools still exists. My father studied there, and as a tribute to St.Ignatius of Loyola I was named after him.
Much of this can be laid at the door of individuality, of identity politics.
Gays (formerly aka homosexuals) were granted “rights” in the West, which followed the birth of no-fault divorce. These were assaults against the nuclear family, the best instrument for human procreation! Now of course we have gay “marriages”. It is a process of slow societal suicide.
Now we have all sorts of clamors for rights and more rights.
I was in a Target store last year, needed a restroom, asked directions from a female employee and told her I “felt feminine” as a test of the sex/gender confusion in which we now live. She told me it was against corporate policy to say anything about restrooms and their use, other than where they were located in-store, and it was up to me to choose.
I think a big reason Islam succeeds is because it has a very strict code of behavior. We, on the other hand, are loosey-goosey, always defining new rights for individuals, with consequent loss of societal coherence. “Do what feels good” and “it is your right” are not a good guides.
Islam is an ideology, not a religion. That we treat it as a religion works to our serious disadvantage. But we have willingly surrendered a collective societal path in favor of identity politics. The Japanese have it right: extremely limited immigration, and a sustained collective, unitary society.
That networks of schools still exists.
Unfortunately, you can find provinces of the Society of Jesus whose charism is single-malt scotch and sodomy. Others are dominated by the sort of priest Fr. Joseph Wilson described thus: “Jungians, Unitarians, and goofies”. The research universities founded by the Jesuits still in operation in this country would be Boston College and Georgetown (gag!). The Catholic priest corps is shot through with mediocrities on the one hand and corrupt subversives on the other. Laymen seeking to live the Catholic life according to spec (as most baptized Catholics did 60 years ago) are abandoned and betrayed every day of the week.
Art Deco:
Oh, rubbish.
Go be a Unitarian. They rarely use the God word, they love gays..
It’s complicated. Jesuits have been always a rara avis in the Catholic Church. They never fitted well in the Catholic world. Think that the Society of Jesus was created in the XVI century in the Basque Country, and back then, that area was 50/50 Protestant and Catholic. So, even when the Society of Jesus is ‘in theory’ Catholic, the original core values are heavily influenced by Protestantism (Huguenots).
Jesuits kept that particular idiosyncrasy for centuries, but it’s (sadly) finally blending in the declining current trend of the Catholic Church.