The European elites ♥ the refugees
As in this country, the Western European and EU leaders are unresponsive to the people on the topics of immigration and of refugees. I can assure you that the speakers here will not have their lives affected by the problem in the same way the local hoi-polloi will, so they can afford to give them stern lectures about their bigotry [Hat tip: Gates of Vienna, where there is also an English transcript]:
Meanwhile, the WaPo reports that not all the leaders in Hungary are getting with the program:
The European Union’s sharpening divisions over a spiraling refugee crisis broke into the open Thursday with two leaders strongly disagreeing in public over whether the asylum-seekers were threatening “Europe’s Christian roots.”
That was the language used by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban as he warned Europe against allowing in mostly Muslim families.
Presently there’s a complicated standoff in a Hungarian train station where a train of refugees has been halted, and this sort of back-and-forth is going on:
Orban, Hungary’s nationalist leader who has spearheaded attempts to turn back the migrants, said Thursday that he had little choice but to seal his nation’s border with razor wire, soldiers and a high fence.
“We Hungarians are full of fear, people in Europe are full of fear, because we see that the European leaders, among them the prime ministers, are not able to control the situation,” he said in Brussels in a raw joint appearance with European Parliament President Martin Schulz. Orban and Schulz, a veteran politician from Germany, made no attempt to paper over their differences or their distaste for each other.
The Hungarian leader blamed Germany for the crisis, saying that its open-door policy toward Syrian asylum-seekers was propelling a wave of migrants to undertake dangerous journeys toward Europe’s heart.
It is similar to our own strife, especially last summer when the child refugee crisis seemed to reach a head. One difference is that we don’t have to deal with the interaction among all the countries of Europe, too; our own political factions within this country are enough, thank you very much. However, what happens in Europe doesn’t stay in Europe; it affects the entire West.
Here’s more from Europe:
Schulz called Orban’s approach “wrong.”
He warned that the splits emerging during the refugee crisis could do lasting damage to the 28-nation alliance, which was founded on a spirit of consensus and burden-sharing.
“This is a crucial moment for the European Union,” Schulz said. “A deeper split of the union is a risk we cannot exclude.”
They’re facing problems even bigger than a split in the EU. However, the split is indeed very real, and it seems to mostly involve Eastern vs. Western Europe:
Orban’s fears are shared by many Eastern European nations, which have pushed hard against any attempt to require them to take in asylum-seekers. Slovakia has said it will accept only Christians.
I don’t know, but it may just be that Eastern Europe has more experience with Muslim takeovers (at least since Ottoman times; here’s a map of the Ottoman Empire at its height). It may also be that Christianity is stronger in Eastern Europe than in Western. Britain is an anomaly in that it seems more resistant than the rest of Western Europe to this influx of Middle Eastern refugees.
Here’s another EU official:
“For a Christian, it shouldn’t matter what race, religion and nationality the person in need represents,” European Council President Donald Tusk said Thursday, launching into Orban before the two met in Brussels. Tusk, a former prime minister of Poland, proposed resettling at least 100,000 refugees across Europe.
Tusk is a Pole, but he represents the Western European point of view. However, I’d like to ask Tusk the following question: what if a major teaching of large groups within that religion is that it is at war with Christianity and Western values and seeks to replace them, if necessary by demographics such as emigration, or by the sword? What then? Is all of that still irrelevant?
My wife has relatives in Slovakia. Her cousin and her husband live with three children in a two room apartment. After years of communism–no private property, no means to save and invest–the local economy is ruined. The husband is a carpenter/factory worker. He works jobs all over Europe–Amsterdam, Berlin, wherever he can get work. He is a sort of EU internal migrant worker. Religion aside, the last thing Slovakia needs is an influx of migrant workers.
“The Camp of the Saints” was so eerily prescient. No, it’s not racist, it’s a deconstruction of the left and its assumed moral superiority because they are people who CARE. It’s about their refusal to consider the consequences of their beliefs, regardless of warnings from other people, and no matter how disastrous they are when put into action. Their argumentation and technique is a peaceful version of how Hamas fights in Gaza, making its headquarters in hospitals, riding to battle in ambulances, and using women and children as human shields when fighting.
The other major point is that by introducing so many people of another culture without requiring them to adopt yours results in a degraded culture and material well being that is dreadful compared to what you have, despite being a significant improvement for the immigrants. It’s a cultural form of Gresham’s law. Having acquiesced, there’s no going back either.
Neo-“I can assure you that the speakers here will not have their lives affected by the problem in the same way the local hoi-polloi will, so they can afford to give them stern lectures about their bigotry [Hat tip: Gates of Vienna, where there is also an English transcript]”
This. I can assure you, living in southern California that the people most responsible for the degradation of our communities are not living in areas where they see the unfortunate fall-out of their “sanctuary city” policies. It’s reminds me of the saying, “No where do you find more belief in the innate goodness of man, than in the gated community.” The Tusks of the world don’t take the Islamists stated intentions seriously. I saw an interview with a Muslim man regarding the population jihad in Belgium underway. There is an actual plan in action, and it won’t take that long to complete the objective. Naivety can be a very destructive thing.
The Europeans may want to dig up Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski for another run at the Muslim invaders. The refugees entering Europe are from countries that are violent, lying, thieving cultures that abuse women. That’s what they do. Admitting tens of thousands of young Muslim males will be very instructive. Hide the girls and women.
Do Europeans have a right to keep their history, religion, architecture and way of life which is so vastly superior to much of the world?
Country or nation?
David Warren does a good job of looking at this from a Christian, and rational and just, perspective:
and
The full piece is here.
If US policy had been to maintain a large contingent of troops in Iraq, the refugee crisis might be more manageable. Radical terrorists like ISIL would have been substantially deterred. This is why troops were stationed for decades in fragile, war-torn democracies like Germany, Japan, and South Korea. It’s time to link the refugee crisis to the monumentally short sighted US foreign policy.
Ann–written and spoken like people who will not be directly impacted!
David Warren is only partly correct – Daesh or ISIS through civil wars has created a summer crest. But these migrants would not be leaping to Germany – the most prosperous European nation – without Mother Merkel’s insane offer of refuge there.
Together with her ridiculous Po-faced Green radicalism, she and Cameron are the Royal dunces of Europe. And Hungary’s PM Viktor Orban is only calling them out for their fatuous, unfathomed nuttiness – which is only surpassed by the ruling French Left (which is more complicated because of their colonial ties with North Africa).
Neo observes “I don’t know, but it may just be that Eastern Europe has more experience with Muslim takeovers (at least since Ottoman times; here’s a map of the Ottoman Empire at its height).” And asks if these development come because Chritianity is stronger in Eastern Europe?
No – it is because nationalism is stronger in the East, and the economic need to compete and better themselves is stronger and makes them more realistic.
Being of Hungarian descent, I have friends in Budapest. And I have followed events there quite closely. Orban’s government is already the most consequential for Hungary since 1848.
Orban is trying to protect a nation from enemies both foreign and domestic: to counter the post-communist crony rich by developing a proper bourgeoisie of small business class and professionals to counter their destructive powers – as well as to pull Central Europe away from the technocratic torpor that is Euro-Union centralization.
If one needs the relevant historical background, I would amplify what neo mentions this way: the Magyars arrived from East of the Ural mountains over 1100 years ago, to occupy the most Western-most portion of the geological Eurasian steppes, known as the Hungarian plains. It is somewhat encircled by the Carpathian Mountains like a reverse “C.”
But this has never prevented Central Europe from being subject by further invasions, and recurrent bouts of paranoid over the threat of further invasions. This has driven Hungary into the Austrian Empire’s arms, for example, and into the alliance with the German empire that eventuated in World War One, over the threat of Russian and South Slavic invasions.
In Central Europe, more than the West, the long arms of History are close to the surface politics – even today.
In Western Europe, the Left – as with Obama Democrats – court denial as a virtue. The ugliness of recent weeks and months mean Orban is the messenger of a very ugly future they heedlessly court.
So, just a Greece bankruptcy threatens the Euro project, so unchecked immigration from Muslim countries threatens the free travel zone of Europe, and the 28 Schengen Treaty nations.
Orson,
Also, this attitude will drive Eastern Europe towards Putin, Russia’s orbit.
But this has never prevented Central Europe from being subject by further invasions, and recurrent bouts of paranoid over the threat of further invasions. This has driven Hungary into the Austrian Empire’s arms, for example, and into the alliance with the German empire that eventuated in World War One, over the threat of Russian and South Slavic invasions.
Hungary was a member of the Axis powers in WWII. I don’t think that was because they feared invasion.
As Paul in Boston said above:
“…using women and children as human shields…”
There has been a push on Facebook the last few days, with many pictures of crying children, to say that anything other than the warmest acceptance of these poor suffering refugee children is sending them back to certain death.
As I’m sure most of you are aware, the prevailing wind on Facebook is strongly liberal, most often female, sentimental and without nuance.
There is in the EU and its member nations a split, a rupture, a schism. It is not purely the elites against the people. All the nations’ peoples are as much divided, and by the same particulars, as appears evident in the polarity between leaders and followers. I would be surprised if, among the elites, there were not those who opposed the treachery of the demolishers. As a matter of fact I would wager that it is impossible that there should not be such a contingent of leaders who are steadfast in their belief that a great subversion of Europe is under way. There will be more.
In the end, the war will not be Christian against Muslim, Muslim against Jew, native against immigrant, atheist against believer, the secular against the religious. The great war will be good against evil. On the side of good there will be Christians, Muslims, Jews, natives, immigrants, atheists, believers, the secular and the religious. On the side of evil will be Christians, Muslims, Jews, natives, immigrants, atheists, believers, the secular and the religious. How will you know them? How to discern good Christians, Muslims, Jews, natives, immigrants, atheists, believers, the secular and the religious from the bad?
The side of good will be on the side of life. Those on the side of evil will champion death. The leaders of neither side will falter in their belief. But you will recognize the side of evil by their leaders – for their love of death,* and rage against life and the living.** They will boast of it loudly. By the time the message filters down to the lowliest it sounds like “life sucks, then you die”
*In 1936, at a speech by the nationalist general Millé¡n Astray, at the University of Salamanca, in Spain, the hall thundered with the general’s favorite motto, Viva la Muerte! “Long live Death!” When the speech was over, Miguel de Unamuno, rector of the university, rose and lamented: “Just now I heard a necrophilous and senseless cry…this outlandish paradox is repellent to me.”
** see the anarchist Strelnikov in Dr Zhivago. His utter contempt for ordinary life is revealed first by his orders for wholesale murder of innocents and destruction of their villages; and second by his utter bewilderment at Zhivago’s stated purpose, the doctor’s answer to Strelnikov’s question – what had the doctor intended to do at Yuriatin (Zhivago’s destination) — “just live” says Zhivago. ‘Life’ had become repugnant to the university educated radical as it was originally alien. And his unfitness to live life made life, all life, for him, a mortal enemy.
Camp of the Saints: sea rescue.
She is a model! Will she take him home?
Why do they leave Turkey or Libya or not go to Kuwait, Bahrein, Iran, etc… Nowhere discussed.
Camp of the Saint images: beyond cockamamie.
If Germany wishes to commit national suicide yet again, just using a different route to self-immolation, I guess we cannot stop them. The trouble for the rest of the EU is that once these “migrants”, like starlings, hit Germany and are “settled”, they will then be free to go everywhere in the EU.
Insanity is the new PC normal.
The logical conclusion is that the so-called “Arab Spring”, including premature evacuation from Iraq, assassination of the Libyan regime, assault on the Syrian regime, Ukraine, and even Russia, was to cause dislocation of native people in the Middle East, Africa, and Eurasia, then to disenfranchise native people in Europe, Canada, and America. The excessive and unmeasured (e.g. illegal) immigration has also served to obfuscate the consequences of dysfunctional policies including selective-child, gender congruence, etc. And condoned the disaster created and promoted by political, diplomatic, and social intervention in second and third-world societies.
hoi polloi = “the many”
from wikipedia:
Some linguistic prescriptivists and students of ancient Greek argue that, given that hoi is a definite article, the phrase “the hoi polloi” is redundant, akin to saying “the the masses”.
This entire disaster is on Barack and Hillary and WE need to pin this on them.
If Barack had done his job, there would be no ISIS. If Hillary had done her job regarding Syria that little boy would not have drowned. He would be home in Syria.
If Mitt was president, none of this would have happened. But if anything remotely like this migration would have happened in a Romney administration, you can bet Barack and Hillary would be on TV daily screaming about what an idiot Mitt is.
We need to turn the methods of the Libs on them.
Ann Says:
September 4th, 2015 at 7:31 pm
Hungary was a member of the Axis powers in WWII. I don’t think that was because they feared invasion.
But Hitler DID invade them. He sent Skorzeny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny#Hungary_and_Operation_Panzerfaust
who decapitated the Hungarian government.
The reason that Hungarian Jewry was murdered only in the Spring of 1944 was because the Hungarians were shielding them at all times prior.
When the Red Army approached from the east, Hitler was mighty concerned that there would hundreds of thousands of Jewish survivors. So he finally coerced his way in — and deployed the SS. This was when George Soros first made his mark, BTW.
The Hungarians had seen what had happened to the neighbors — and figured it’d be better to go along foot-dragging than to let the monster in the front door.
Hungary sent a token military presence to the eastern front — and even that only after the Germans had pushed the Red Army away from Hungary’s border — weeks into the campaign.
Another, larger contingent was coerced out of Budapest in the Spring of 1942. It was crushed by the Red Army during Operation Uranus.
The German rear area logistical troops consistently looted the heavy weapons of their allies when shipped to the eastern front. (!) Consequently, the Italians, the Hungarians and the Romanians had light infantry — entirely lacking anti-tank guns. (!!!) These had been sent — but looted on the way.
The average Schultz could never understand why their allies were such flaky soldiers. They were never told that their friends had been logistically starved — and were totally defenseless against any tank.
The debacle in late 1942 shut down further Axis contributions to the campaign. Only token forces were left in the field. (PR stunts)
So, the Hungarians were like the Swedes and the Swiss: terrified of a Nazi invasion. So they kissed his A$$ instead.
( If successful in the east, Hitler would’ve gobbled them all up — he even had fresh maps drawn — and these nations are all missing !)
The reason that Hungarian Jewry was murdered only in the Spring of 1944 was because the Hungarians were shielding them at all times prior.
When the Red Army approached from the east, Hitler was mighty concerned that there would hundreds of thousands of Jewish survivors. So he finally coerced his way in – and deployed the SS. This was when George Soros first made his mark, BTW.
The book about the Hungarian Jews is:
Emissary of the Doomed: Bargaining for Lives in the Holocaust
It makes for very very annoying reading ….
The leaders of the nations of Europe and North America are committing the greatest act of treason in all of human history by facilitating this invasion from the Third World. They should all be hanging from lampposts.
What sane white person wants to live in a neighborhood where whites are a minority? Yet we are constantly told that whites will be a minority in the United States by midcentury, as if it were an inevitable fact of nature. It is not. It is being done deliberately. It is designed to break the back of the white middle class, both politically and economically. White English-speaking Americans have the annoying tendency of insisting on our “Constitutional rights”. The nobles of the ruling class would prefer to replace us with illiterate brown peasants who know their place, have no such illusions, and will do as they’re told.
Does that make me a racist? So what? Sue me.
The highly knowledgeable Robert Spencer lends valuable perspective upon both the reality of Europe’s refugee crisis and the long term ramifications for Europe.
“The Hijrah Into Europe”
“Refugees” colonize a continent.
I find it vexing that Christians are lectured to take in the masses of Muslim refuges while their Christian brothers and sisters throughout the ME, north Africa and parts of Asia are being exterminated. Not satisfied with just killing live Christians, they are erasing all remnants of their ancestors by destroying centuries-old Christian artifacts and structures.
I am weary of socialists like Obama using the Christian faith to serve their agenda. We need leaders that can temper their compassion with self-preservation, compassion for their own citizens’ well-being.
It doesn’t help that ISIS announced they were sending their warriors in with the refuge masses to destroy Rome/the Vatican. How many jihadis are mixed in with the refuges?
http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/urgent-isis-threatens-invade-rome-fly-flag-vatican/
Trying to understand why the mostly white leaders of the countries of Europe and North America are pursuing policies that will make white people minorities in their own countries, I am starting to think that they are planning for a future in which the only white people left will be the members of the hereditary nobility, who will rule over a world of brown and black peasants and servants. Their socialist policies are certainly bringing us back to a medieval type of society with rigid and inviolable class distinctions. That we whites who are not part of the nobility will be overwhelmed and ultimately massacred by the browns and blacks concerns them not at all.
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My other idea is even more insane than that. Radical environmentalists have been saying for decades that the human population must be “reduced” to under a billion people. Is this migration an attempt to preserve as much genetic diversity as possible before touching off a war that will exterminate 5/6 of the human species?
Ricki:
Inevitability is one of the Left’s favorite rhetoric memes.
Resistance is futile! Succumb.
Seems to me that Europe is torn between politicians who want to seem high-minded, people who really want to help any and every person who appears, people who don’t want ANY foreign people to come, and people who are saying, “wait — who are they? what do they want? where can they realistically go? where would they harm and where could they be helped?” And each of those groups is at the throats of the other.
Here, everyone is talking theoreticals. Because we know we already aren’t going to help ANY of them (as this administration has made clear) we can safely say we want to embrace or reject them all. Trying to get a handle on it — what is happening, what will happen next — though, is a very different and bewildering thing that a lot of people don’t even want to attempt.
Prediction: Carly will pin this disaster directly on HRC and BHO.
The UK press is flush with photographs of the border crash in southern and eastern Europe. The vast majority in the photos are not children, women, and old men. What is painfully obvious is the vast majority are males ages 15 to 40 men who should be fighting in their home country to kill those they flee. If 1 in 100 is on a mission from allah the ‘enlightened elitists’ are dreaming if they think their actions will not one day bite them in the ass.
Europe needed immigrant workers to prop up their welfare system and to get more votes. In that sense, they are like the Democrats, but the Leftist alliance, HQ in the US, has ramped up their mobilization. Once they expose significant percentages of their total strategic assets, they can’t go back to a peace time footing any more. They will have to mobilize all of it, because the world will become their enemy. In a 3 way fight, at least. Probably more, like WWII.
The Leftist alliance is global, but much of their power and assets are centered in the US because of American influence and control of several levers like the UN or NATO in Europe.
The only reasonable people left in Europe are the national parties, the neo reactionaries, and so forth. But they are propagandized as Nazis, you know. Even people here have claimed it so, whether they came from Europe or not. That’s how broad the European mind control system is.
The US university antics, are merely the Left mobilizing more of their mind control indoctrination systems, which has been working in Europe for some time now. It has passed its R and D trial period.
I make no guarantees that rickl’s hypothesis or predictions will never come true, however.
It could, but that’s the future, hard to predict. The past, however, is what I was generally describing. That’s been the case up until now.
In the future could the environmentalists take over like the homos have, and dictate that their particular brand of Planned Profit eugenic cleansing requires some sacrifices? Shrugs, could be. It is the Left we are speaking of after all.
Ymarsakar Says:
September 5th, 2015 at 1:22 am
In America, the La Raza types say, “You gringos stole this country from us. We are the rightful owners. Go back to Europe where you belong.”
Even assuming I wanted to do it, what is left of “Europe” for me to go back to?
Switzerland will still be good, for awhile until somebody disarms them. Their banking and neutrality policies will keep them alive for some time, even if Islam takes over the continent’s super weapons, nukes, infrastructure, churches, etc.
But hey, courtesy of G6 we have this http://www.naturalnews.com/051042_covert_war_China_mysterious_explosions.html
If Hussein Obola declares martial law and makes himself President for life, don’t say nobody ever warned people about that.
Courtesy of G6.
The Chinese are already crazy as it is. Hussein poking them like the way he funded ISIL via Benghazi and did a covert ops run there as well, isn’t going to help things over there. Nor is this something the Japanese government would have agreed to.
The New American Empire, whatever form it takes, won’t ever have allies again. It’s just too dangerous for the allies.
Years ago, I kept talking about dropping a kinetic weapon from orbit. Maybe I should shut up about that now, since it’s becoming a maybe reality.
All these Islamic style invasions like La Raza, just want the land. And they’ll get it by depopulating the natives via rape, executions, and jizya tax policies.
I’ve just rewatched the simulations people have ran about how Islam took over North Africa and Spain in 800 AD. Yes, 790 AD Islam occupied much of Spain, and Islam came from Mecca/Medina which is in Arabia.
They used a similar trick with population pressure, exportation of their militant males, and domination of the enemy by raiding and depopulating them. Islam conducted numerous raids for slaves, women for harems and eugenics, and money. This actually “depopulated” the enemy over centuries that Islam then took over easily.
The reason why the Africans were so keen on selling black slaves to the whites was because of Timbuktu, when Islam took over they also had a high demand for eunuchs. Meaning they would buy blacks and castrate them, then use them as guards for their harems and slave armies. I think the janissaries were one version of that practice, although later on.
So basically Islam created the slave system in Africa, before the Europeans even got to Africa. They don’t teach that stuff in history, do they now.
They also don’t teach that Muslims from North Africa raided Europe and took slaves for centuries.
There are an awful lot of Tunisians with red hair and green eyes. That’s because Irish women were especially popular.
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Let forgot every think and let thing as human who care about other human,
Most of you trying to find hid or her accuses to make his case and start filamentary comments here in regards to religion.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel according to the BBC
These people they are under the war and killing for the last 4 years, did any one of you asked himself/herself why this massive flux of people turned in few weeks to Europe or Germany?
Who is behind all this case? Who are benefits form this refugees smuggling? Where is western collation fighting Syrian regime or fighting ISIS there for last four years?
Now the proof is there, it’s the civilians they suffering and humiliated, those with or against the regime nothing happen to them.
Here I would like to bring your attentions all; Syria’s civil war has been a humanitarian and political tragedy for that country. … Sunni-Shiite regional power struggle between Saudi Arabia and Turkey, The Islamic Republic of Iran and other gulf states who starting this Syrian regime war? Who paid billions of dollars to western powers to fight the regime?
Many Arabs and Muslims see Qatar continued support of Islamic radical groups across the Middle East, including Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon and the Gaza Strip. Also The Islamic Republic of Iran has helped Iraq, Syria, Palestine and Hezbollah by exporting the technology that it has for the production of missiles and other equipment,” Revolutionary Guard Air Force commander Brig. Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh was quoted recently.
Regime Change lead by Qatar& How Qatar seized control of the Syrian revolution
Where all those wealthy gulf state from the sufferings
The Qatar News Agency quoted Hamad bin Jassim saying as stating explosively that “what is happening in Syria is not a civil war but a genocide, a war of extermination with a license to kill by the Syrian government and the international community.”43 Yet, as responsibility for Syria devolved to the United Nations and its special envoys, Qatar, along with Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, increasingly began to identify and “pick winners” among the myriad rebel groups operating in Syria. In Qatar’s case, these forces were aligned closely with the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, which caused mounting tensions with Saudi Arabia.
Who is killing civilians an innocents people, who responsible doing a genocide, a war of extermination with a license to kill?
For the Saudi Arabia you can also find the devil driven by petro-dollar for terrorists all around the world. That
where he is from these flux of humans? Where his humanity and where his billions why not showering them to help these in need?
As western countries and people you should stand and call those Gulf regimes and The Islamic Republic of Iran to take their share of this human tragedy, they created and they should hold account for their consequences and their billions wasting for it doing a genocide, a war of extermination with a license to kill.
There is a 6 page thread (in one day) on a BB devoted to the migrant crisis in Europe labeled “The End of Europe.” here
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50253.html
Events are spinning out of control. Who has organized this invasion? Who has prepped the invaders? And who are they?
My guess: UN and NGO aid workers like Oxfam, working the border areas of Turkey and Syria.
Europeans and motivated North Americans and Aussies are discussing it, there.
@Ann
You’re right about people having the duty of helping others, but Europe has already gone far beyond what this duty requires, and some leaders want still more.
Some areas in Europe are out of control. Marseille (now a muslim city) has become the most dangerous city in Europe. In countries like Sweden or Danemark police don’t dare to enter some neighborhoods anymore.
If you take a refugee in your house, that’s great. If you take a dozen, one day you wake up and discover that you have become the minority in your own house and you must obey their rules. No christian duty requires such a thing.
I find much to admire in Hungary. An interesting nation.
I bookmarked the transcript of a long talk by Premier Orban at some youth conclave recently–reading it in German translation. It’s long and a lot to work through, but I hope to get there eventually. So far what I’ve read of it seems promising. It appears the man can really think seriously, unlike so many.
If you take a refugee in your house, that’s great. If you take a dozen, one day you wake up and discover that you have become the minority in your own house and you must obey their rules. No christian duty requires such a thing.
The bird feeder.
Some call it a rant …
Reading the FaceBook pages of my Zeropean friends and relatives and “friends of friends”, the drippy sentimentalism about the invaders is astounding….
There’ll be a reaction and it’ll be bloody…
All this has already happened in the now USSA:
A U.S. Navy destroyer stops four Mexicans rowing towards Texas.
The captain gets on the megaphone and shouts, “Ahoy, small craft! Where are you headed?”
One of the Mexicans puts down his oar, stands up, and shouts, “Gringo, we are invading the United States of America to reclaim the territory taken by the USA during the 1800s.”
The entire crew on the destroyer doubles over in laughter.
Finally catching his breath, the captain gets back on the megaphone and asks, “Just the four of you?”
The same Mexican stands up again and shouts, “No seé±or. We are the last four and we are just bringing the tequila for the victory celebration. The other 21 million are already there.”
Funny! No?
Perhaps we should seriously consider David Warren’s view of the immigrants’ treatment as our duty, but then race towards Larry Auster’s plan for separationism since Muslims are, for the most part, unwilling to assimilate and remain some of the most intolerant people who have ever lived.
Yes, you are right. But there is literally no arguing with a guilt ridden emotionalist with a taste for receiving abuse.
I, G6loq have seen the future.
What has been seen cannot be unseen.
It was only a matter of time.
@neo-neocon
You are aware that with including RT in your post you embed the state sponsored propaganda channel of the Russian government?
With regard to Cancellor Merkel’s remarks — she just reminds people of Article 1 of the German “Grundgesetz” (“Human dignity is inviolable.”) and § 130 (Incitement to hatred) Section 1 of the German Criminal Code:
“Whosoever, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace:
1. incites hatred against a national, racial, religious group or a group defined by their ethnic origins, against segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population or calls for violent or arbitrary measures against them; or
2. assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning an aforementioned group, segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population, or defaming segments of the population,
shall be liable to imprisonment from three months to five years ”
which is, of course, a reflection of the persecutions of the Jews and other minorities from 1933-1945 in Germany.
With regard to prime minister Orbé¡n of Hungary, he is most famous for his severe restrictions of media and press freedom in Hungary. Even John McCain called Orbé¡n a “neo-fascist dictator” who aligns with Russia’s Putin. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30318898 So Orbé¡n might not be the best choice for speculating about an East-West-rift in Europe. The anti-Muslim- and anti-refugee-sentiment is ubiquitous all over Europe, from France to Denmark, from Britain to Hungary.
@konrad
â– With regard to the “neo-fascist dictator” Viktor Orban famous for his severe restrictions of media and press freedom.
Well, those polemic severe restrictions of media and press freedom were issued because of a 2011 law that forced journalists to reveal their sources if necessary on grounds of national security.
It’s convenient to remind that US Supreme Court ruled in 1972 the same when a journalist has witnessed a criminal activity:
http://www.legalzoom.com/articles/can-a-journalist-be-forced-to-reveal-confidential-sources
It seems to me that the hungarian media law (which hasn’t even been applied yet as far as I know) is quite a light one in comparison with the US Supreme Court decision. Seeing how such a law is called “neo-fascist” when US has had a more restrictive one for the last four decades gives some food for thoughts.
â– With regard to RT.
Yeap, you’re right, it’s a pro-russian source, and I wouldn’t trust it when it comes to russian politics, for example.
However, if we’re talking about the massive immigration in Europe, RT has published pieces of news that main media in Europe put inside the drawer.
It’s a shame… no, it’s a SHAME that you should go to a russian source to know what’s happening in Europe right now, but this is what it is. And this is indeed a symptom of how manipulated the information is right now.
Why is that? Well, media are in the edge of bankrupcy right now, and some Middle East muslim countries are “helping” them with petrodollars as long as they’re giving the “right angle” about the massive muslim immigration in Europa. Last Saudi Arabia wikileaks are giving some clues. And it’s not just Saudi Arabia: main left newspaper in Spain is financed by Qatar.
That’s more food for thoughts.
â– With regard to the supposed Muslim persecution that is “a reflection of the persecutions of the Jews and other minorities from 1933-1945 in Germany”.
Muslims are not persecuted in Europe.
Indeed, a Muslim can go to a christian neighborhood without problems. However, if you go to some Muslim neighborhoods in Europe, sit down and have a sandwich of pork, you could have problems.
Jews in Europe, on the other side, right now they don’t dare to wear any symbol that identifies them as Jews. You can see hijabs everywhere right now in the streets of Europe. However, I haven’t seen a single kippah for the last four or five years (and I used to see some ones once in a while before that).
Jew communities in France are almost bankrupt because they must face high expenses hiring security companies to protect centers, synagogues or even schools.
The reflection of persecution of Jews in 1933-1945 is the persecution of Jews right now. And that’s the reason because Muslims are coming to Europe by hundreds of thousands, while Jews are leaving Europe. One of the ways of knowing who is the one that is persecuted is to check who is the one that is trying to escape.
This Is How Israel Denies Palestinian-Americans Right To Visit Their Homeland
http://www.mintpressnews.com/palestinian-americans-arent-welcome-in-israel/208983/
Yann Says:
September 5th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
Uncovered Western women who go into Muslim neighborhoods are liable to be gang-raped whether they are eating a pork sandwich or not.
They’ll be eating pork all right, but not by choice.
In capital Baghdad, Iraqi Protesters carried image of German Chancellor Merkel during popular protests in Tahrir Square on Friday evening.
Some carried banners and thanked the German Chancellor for providing assistance to refugees who have come home from Iraq and Syria phrases.
Thousands marched in the Iraqi capital Baghdad and the majority of the cities of southern Iraq and mass protests demanding the government Abadi for repairs and the fight against corruption in the ministries and State offices.
The demonstrators chanted slogans and slogans against the government reforms Haider al-Abadi.
Baghdad has seen and the cities of Diwaniyah and Babil, Basra, Karbala and wide popular demonstrations demanding the Iraqi government to eliminate administrative corruption of the long States departments and officials.
Konrad writes “With regard to prime minister Orbé¡n of Hungary, he is most famous for his severe restrictions of media and press freedom in Hungary. Even John McCain called Orbé¡n a “neo-fascist dictator” who aligns with Russia’s Putin. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30318898 So Orbé¡n might not be the best choice for speculating about an East-West-rift in Europe. The anti-Muslim- and anti-refugee-sentiment is ubiquitous all over Europe, from France to Denmark, from Britain to Hungary.”
Yes, I’ve followed this claim deeply. And it always amounts to projection and context stripping: socialist do “Fascist”t hings like re-writing the constitution or passing laws that hurt some but benefit others and are never called out for it.
But let a Right-winger do them! And ALL HELL FOLLOWS! The sky is falling and the earth is opening up.
In sum, these are Big Lies of Great (political) Convenience.
Hungarian politics finds the Left dominant in the media dn education and among the rich, just like here. The crucial difference is this: the Left, they are fighting among themselves, fortunately.
One ought to make a strong presumption of “They Lie” with Leftist claims. Demand evidence and proof. I’m not worried about Orban. I’m deeply alarmed by Left, REAL fascism.the
Fred Says:
September 5th, 2015 at 3:59 pm
This Is How Israel Denies Palestinian-Americans Right To Visit Their Homeland
Israel’s problem is that the vast majority of such Palestinian-American visitors are ACTIVISTS.
Hence, they are paranoid.
There is virtually no way that a visit from a Palestinian-American is going to play well in the West.
BTW, try being a Jewish-American landing in Riyadh — even with an American passport. Good luck.
You can’t even land in Riyadi with an Israeli STAMP upon your passport — if you’re a plain vanilla American.
Big Oil is so terrified of OPEC blow-back that they largely try to avoid even hiring Jews, and when they do, keeping the matter very hush hush. OPEC is a position to financially punish them — on a whim — making any Jewish employee impossibly expensive to keep on the payroll.
You’re looking at an existential war… being turned back is hardly comparable to being blown up by a jihadi.
As for the good doctor. He HAD to know what was coming.
He’d better not feed me the idea that he never saw it coming. Which makes me doubt his extremis.
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And the Arabs play population ‘games’ too.
Gaza had a population of zilch in 1946. It was not a place to raise a family. Above all the water was barely drinkable. The decent stuff was a day’s ride — north up the coast — Tel Aviv.
Yet, the Egyptian government turned a minor garrison of despondent Egyptian troops into a luxury refugee camp with concrete highrises.
Culturally, all Gazans trace their heritage to Egypt — not the West Bank.
The sole and only reason Gaza is Gaza is because the Cairo brought in women, drilled for deep water, etc.
The decent water didn’t hold up — so Gaza gets the vast bulk of its water from Israel. Yes, that’s how much the Gazan population has grown. It has, in most years, the highest TFR of the planet. The place is a sea side resort with nothing to do but screw and kvetch.
Egypt won’t let the Egyptian descendants return back out of Gaza, either. If they did so, most would decamp — as Gaza is BORING.
Throw that water away kufir.
Clearly all young and of military age.
First do the do gooders …..
offended by the red crosses that have been on the boxes since 1864.
TWANLOC have it coming ….
Yeah Ann is very wrong here, and so is Mr. Warren. It is a Christians duty to preach the Gospel and all that entails. Just letting a bunch of practitioners of a false religion into your country, and providing them with material goods, but not the Holy Spirit will do no one any good. I am sure both Ann and Mr. Warren believe that this will provide an opportunity to show our “Christian Charity”, which will convert some people. Fine, maybe a small percentage will, but we could instead gain a little courage and go over there and do the same thing. That way, the citizens of their respective countries could change the political situations in their own countries, resulting in fewer Islamic regimes.
BTW, try being a Jewish-American landing in Riyadh – even with an American passport. Good luck.?
Just think about one of them how many he been there?
He is:Thomas L. Friedman
What about those 8 million working in the kingdom, how many Jews between them? oh no those ECO who flying form and back from kingdom for business.
go get life dude.
what if a major teaching of large groups within that religion is that it is at war with Christianity and Western values and seeks to replace them, if necessary by demographics such as emigration, or by the sword? What then? Is all of that still irrelevant?
The Left has been doing the same thing to the West. They share common interests, for now. That is how alliances are born.
The Left has been doing the same thing to the West. They share common interests, for now. That is how alliances are born.
Explored here:
Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam And the American Left
Written in 2006. Apparently to no effect.
G6, until Iraq came around, the Left had been very quiet. The normal talk in DC was HRC’s “vast right wing conspiracy”.
I think Iraq allowed some of the inherent contradictions of the Left to pop out, given the internet. They couldn’t hide it as well as they did in Vietnam.
So it became a lot easier for people with Eyes, to see what was really going on, as the Left’s exposed assets and strategic capabilities that normally the MSewerM would have successfully hid from the native eyes of American patriots or intel analysts.
Ymarsakar Says:
what if a major teaching of large groups within that religion is that it is at war with Christianity and Western values and seeks to replace them
That so far prediction and dreams for some whom spreading fears to other…
Let remind you about the language is mostly spoken by Orthodox Jews who want to set themselves apart from the modern world. Yiddish culture, were a total of 360,000 Jewish elementary-school children in the U.S., the landscape of American Jewish education before 1910, the year when the Yiddish-secular school movement began. In those pre-shule years, the major form of Jewish education was religious, comprising yeshivas, kheyders, Talmud Torahs, congregational schools, day schools, Sunday schools, and private tutoring. In 1909, about 25 percent of the 200,000 New York City school-age Jewish children were receiving some type of religious education, with similar percentages in other communities.
Does that endanger US society then and after?
G6loq Says:
Let Read this……..
A Mosque in Munich: Nazis, the CIA, and the Rise of the Muslim
Brotherhood in the West
Ian Johnson , Zarinés Negré³n
I don’t understand what your point is JR or even what the argument is about.
Ymarkarsar — JR is saying that teaching people a religion and another language does not necessarily create a hostile population. OK, but that doesn’t have anything to do with what you were talking about, which is that teaching people that they are at war with the country in which they live and the values of that country does create a problem.
In classic leftist style, JR creates a strawman, vaguely related to what you said, to knock down, and then claims to have refuted your argument.
BTW, JR, orthodox Jewish children are taught this principle of Jewish law – “dina malchuta dina” — the law of the land is the (Jewish) law.
Male refugees should be let in only if they have been castrated, had a penectomy and have had their prostate removed. Their oppressed women can come in whole, but female circumcision ic common,