Travel ban from West Africa?
Now, why ever would we do that?:
For now, the administration is rejecting calls for a visa ban for West Africans. “I don’t believe that’s something we’re considering,” a State Department spokeswoman told reporters. Health officials have described the Texas case, in which Mr. Duncan exhibited symptoms but was released from a hospital for two days, as a fluke misstep.
Calls for a travel ban extend back to the summer, when the disease first started to spread in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea. Rep. Alan Grayson, Florida Democrat, was one of the earliest to propose restrictions, calling for a 90-day ban on travel from Ebola-touched countries to the U.S.
“If they’d instituted the travel ban when Alan Grayson, of all people, demanded it, [Duncan] wouldn’t be here,” said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies…
Ace points out more:
I can’t help noticing that when the president doesn’t want to take an action, like banning travel from infected countries, the media is eager to report his claim that ebola’s spread in the US is “unlikely;” but then, after ebola does spread in the US, the same media rushes in to absolve him of blame, claiming ebola’s spread to be “inevitable.”
“Unlikely,” “inevitable.” Rather different words, aren’t they?
Obama (and the political class) do not want to shut down travel from West Africa for the same reason abortion extremists insist that it’s okay to perform post-birth abortions.
Because giving an inch on the extreme case — even giving an inch on the most indefensible part of your agenda — is thought to create some momentum against the more defensible parts of your agenda.
They don’t want to give an inch on partial-birth abortions because they don’t want to give an inch on non-partial-birth abortions.
In the case of a West Africa travel ban, this could create some small amount of political momentum, as Krikorian suggests, towards controlling our borders in other cases — for example, controlling illegal immigration at our southern border.
I had noticed that, too. Ever since the Duncan story broke, on various news shows the liberal talking heads have been shrugging and saying that Ebola’s spread to this country couldn’t have been stopped. Absurd. It’s true that we can’t be certain it would have been 100% stopped, but its arrival here certainly could have been made less “inevitable” (or greatly delayed) by a travel ban. Instead, it was made inevitable by the lack of one.
I agree with Ace that Obama and his supporters don’t want to limit people coming to this country, for political reasons. The arrivals are their tickets to permanent Democratic power, which is more important than anything else, including the health of the nation.
Their lack of an effective reaction to the threat is a combination of strategic political calculation (although it could backfire on them) and simple incompetence.
In other words, as is often the case, knaves and fools.
[ADDENDUM: Speaking of “lack of an effective reaction,” you’d think the CDC might have a protocol in place for dealing with the apartment in which the Ebola patient got sick. A plan, a recommendation, a team approach? Surely this might have been foreseen, and contingency plans developed?
Apparently not; the director of the CDC says they’re still sorting out the approach to dealing with the toxic waste that’s been hanging around the apartment—with the people confined inside—for several days now:
“It’s the first time we’re having Ebola in this country and the challenges are real in terms of what do you do with the waste, how do you move it, how do you dispose of it and we want to make sure that everything is done correctly,” Frieden said. “I’m confident that will get sorted out today.”
I’m glad he’s confident. The rest of us can be forgiven for having our doubts.]
we wont because the US is a racist state, and its flag is racist too.. and until all white males (ie all whites) are exterminated, it will be so, as will europe. once the world is free of the white priveleged beings, then eden will return… (cause the white man invented Ebola, dont ya know)
Canadian PHA’s section entitled “Mode of Transmission.”
8-06-14:
8-25-14:
When something becomes illegal it becomes unregulated and, and thus will arise an opportunity for illegal operators.
France is a frequent transit point from West Africa. So is the UK. It would require the cooperation of these countries to ban such travel. For example, they would need to detain and quarantine travelers.
It would be possible to regulate and monitor such travel, and it would be easier to get to cooperation of other countries.
The US health system is good at the hard stuff, and this would include contending with a viral outbreak. The solutions are rather low-tech, and most healthcare facilities are equipped to the degree necessary.
It would take sound administration, good communication and discipline, but we are better at that than we give ourselves credit for.
None of what I have said addresses the political dimension. We can count on that to make things worse. It would surprise me to see the administration do nothing just to bait the opposition into making remarks that can then be called racist.
Drudge reports a possible Ebola case in DC. Guy came from Nigeria.
If confirmed, this changes everything.
It is a FUNDAMENTAL leadership principle to take ACTION when the cost is little and the possible risk is huge.
What is the cost to the USA to ban travelers from West Africa for 30 days? 10,000 people? Why do they need to be here?
I think the Brits and French did it.
Just turn West African passport holders (or stamps) back at the U.S. gate.
CORRECTION to my above comment:
It would NOT surprise me to see the administration do nothing just to bait the opposition into making remarks that can then be called racist.
Bill West: If a person has a passport issued by a West African country or their passport shows they were in certain countries in the last 30 days, just send them back at the gate.
The Republicans should beat the Democrats with this night and day. We have to know who is coming in and what their health status is. Those central American kids who stormed the border could have all sorts of diseases and they probably are not vaccinated for childhood diseases.
Again I return to Tom Wolfe’s “Back to Blood.”
Everything now is about race.
Ebolaphobia…. Obolaphobia?
Time to stigmatize the opposition as xenophobes and racists, and homophobes, and climate deniers, and and and and…
Cornhead: Everything now is about race.
Blood and Soil… repackaged…
Artfldgr:
I’ve been reading up on the transmission of Ebola and other viruses of its type, and as I understand it so far, there is a difference between airborne spread by inhaling small particles that are aerosolized (which has not yet been demonstrated to be a mode for spreading Ebola in humans) and “airborne” spread (not considered true “airborne” spread) by slightly larger particles, which definitely can occur with Ebola in humans.
The fact that it might occur in the animal vector does not mean it occurs in humans. There are differences between the way diseases work and spread in the different animal populations it affects.
Of course, we may at some point discover that it has become spread in humans by inhalation of aerosalized particles. But that has not been demonstrated in humans at this point.
If it is spread by touching an infected person and then touching your nose/mouth/eyes, that’s enough to account for the fast spread at this point, in my opinion. However, it’s also clear that there is something different about this outbreak, because it is much more widespread than previous ones.
When the CNN camera guy (who is traveling with an MD) my ears perked up.
They supposedly took precautions and he STILL got it.
Bill West:
Air France banned flights from Sierra Leone and Liberia over a month ago, through December, at the request of the French government, which has also recommended French nationals leave the country.
That was a month ago. And yet, we have done NOTHING.
Apparently, France is not suicidal.
Major concerns of mine are the implications should this virus become established in North American wildlife.
“…you’d think the CDC might have a protocol in place for dealing with the apartment in which the Ebola patient got sick. ”
Scientifically, the quarantine period of 21 days begins after the apartment is properly cleansed since members of the family who aren’t infected yet could become infected at any time until the apartment is sterilized. It will be interesting whether anyone at the CDC notices that problem? If the quarantine is done properly, at this point the family is under indefinite detention without a parole date until the apartment is actually sterilized.
I’m really tired of how liberals always frame these kinds of questions in an adolescent “all or nothing” context. If you don’t let me have the car Saturday night, my life is over!
Banning flights from Africa and monitoring incoming passengers from Europe who originate travel in Africa will not prevent Ebola from appearing in North America, so why bother? Well, if it helps limit the number of people to a very few, it will help a lot. Nothing is ever perfect. The argument against a fence on the southern border is always refuted with “some will still get through” Of course some will still get through, but a lot fewer and the price and risk will be very high.
Transmission of Ebola virus (Zaire strain) to uninfected control monkeys in a biocontainment laboratory
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8551825
and just to see how states deal with sensitive things like deseases… see
The 1979 Anthrax Epidemic in the USSR:
Applied Science and Political Controversy
http://www.amphilsoc.org/sites/default/files/proceedings/102.pdf
and
Statement by Dr. Kenneth Alibek
before the Joint Economic Committee
United States Congress / Wednesday, May 20, 1998
http://fas.org/irp/congress/1998_hr/alibek.htm
this would imply that they also have a means of preventing or curing infevction as a biological weapon that has no cure is inane and useless. (which is the point of my posting it, not that they necessarily let it loose, there is enough idiocy that it probably was not needed given the policies their followers are following)
Agents were studied for possible use as biological weapons, including:
Ebola
Junin virus (Argentinian hemorrhagic fever)
Machupo virus (Bolivian hemorrhagic fever)
yellow fever
Lassa fever
Japanese encephalitis
Russian spring-summer encephalitis.
smallpox
plague
anthrax
Venezuelan equine encephalomyelitis
Glanders
brucellosis
Marburg infection.
Extensive genetic engineering research has been conducted using vaccinia virus, ostensibly for vaccine development. The research has entailed insertion of genes from Venezuelan equine encephalomyelitis virus and from Ebola virus into the vaccinia genome
March 30, 2014
With the recent outbreak of the Ebola virus hitting southern Guinea, where it had never hit before, there is chatter that perhaps this Ebola spread is manmade. A bio-engineered test being conducted on Guinea to test this new bioweapon’s efficiency.
quoting RT
And the disease hadn’t been endemic to Guinea; it is more commonly witnessed in Congo, Uganda and Sudan — which is in the north-east. The first fatal outbreak in West Africa dates back to early February, when it took poorly equipped health authorities almost six weeks to identify the symptoms and scramble to contain them. But by then it was too late. The virus’s incubation period is three weeks.
Key to using such a thing, if not natural, would be to hide its transmission source…
unless peoplehavnt noticed, the soviet union, and china have not only been upgrading everything, including nukes, and military, but have suddenly become boisterous, and militant. note that the source of the recent computer break ins is considered to be russia…
a response to sanctions for daring to interfere with the taking of the crimea?
For those interested, i would suggest goig to the NIH website, and reading this:
Biohazard, the chilling true story of the largest covert biological weapons program in the world, told from the inside by the man who ran it.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/nichsr/esmallpox/biohazard_alibek.pdf
from another source:
The completely finished and accomplished biological weapons were as follows: smallpox biological weapon, then plague biological weapon, anthrax biological weapon, Venezuelan equine encephalitis biological weapon, tularemia biological weapon, brucellosis biological weapon, and some others. In the 70s and beginning of 80s the Soviet Union started developing new biological weapons–Marburg infection biological weapon, Ebola infection biological weapon, Machupo infection, [or] Bolivian hemorrhagic biological weapon, and some others. from interview with Dr. Kanatjan Alibekov was the former First Deputy Director of Biopreparat from 1988 to 1992
The obvious and only effective solution is to burn the structure down — promptly.
Everyone exposed has to go into quarantine.
ANY attempt to shift the materials around merely spreads ebola further.
For some reason it has not dawned on Barry that even a single virus — tiny as it is — replicates like crazy the second it gets inside a human being.
99.9999% elimination = 0.00000% elimination.
It snaps back THAT FAST.
That’s its character.
ZMAPP is NOT proven to be a cure. It was NOT tested using any of the accepted protocols for new drugs.
Instead, the powers that be threw the entire kitchen at the problem.
So the survivors may have:
1) Come back on their own
2) Been healed by some non-ZMAPP agent
3) Been healed by some treatment aspect that is not even recognized as significant. (This has happened countless times in medical history. A cure is stumbled upon by accident — which then takes quite a while to comprehend — since it’s coming out of left field.)
And even the survivors are not out of the woods. All are still considered contagious. (!)
That aspect is entirely down-played.
They’re vectors — yet allowed to roam freely. Think about that.
When ebola really gets rolling, you’re going to have a hefty population of ebola carriers spreading the disease — who have been deemed cured.
We actually DON’T know how long this lingering virus can stay in survivors. The CDC is merely slapping guesses up on the wall.
With jet travel, the First World will propagate ebola at a tempo that will terrify all.
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The media still refuses to recognize just how fast this critter replicates — and how easily it is transmitted and how feeble our isolation gear is.
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No-one who suspects ebola should be even approaching normal health care facilities.
THEY CAN’T HELP VICTIMS AT ALL.
Palliative care can be performed — on the cheap — just about everywhere.
Ebola is exactly what can’t be treated by a hospital.
There are no drugs to administer. In the meantime, the victim is cross-contaminating EXACTLY THOSE who must live on to provide medical care.
In the 14th Century every hospital collapsed, none survived. Most all of the physicians, nurses and aids died off — FIRST.
The fact that 14th Century medical care was generally useless is irrelevant to current circumstances. What IS relevant is losing all of our physicians — and at a remarkable clip.
This is EXACTLY what’s happened in west Africa. It didn’t have a lot of doctors per capita in the first place. Without imported talent, west Africa would have practically no doctors left.
Even if a doctor survives ebola — he’s become a carrier of the virus. He can no longer treat anyone who’s not already certainly infected. For the risk is high that he’ll infect countless patients — very much in the manner of typhoid Mary.
She was asymptomatic — yet infecting anyone she met — like crazy.
She wanted to go on infecting everybody until she was legally restrained. (Effectively jailed.)
‘Ebola-Mary’ is sure to be created by random Darwinian chance. We’re not ready to deal with such a situation at all.
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We’ve got fools and knaves running the show.
They refuse to use historical methods that WORK.
They refuse to acknowledge that we don’t have a cure.
They refuse to acknowledge that ebola spreads like wildfire. The stats out of west Africa are tragic deceits.
Like the earlier pandemics, you can’t get anyone to venture into the Hell of the victims to tote them up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs
No-one will be laughing in a couple of weeks.
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It is imperative that a second track for ebola quarantine be established — yesterday.
Ebola victims — suspects — should NEVER be admitted into regular hospitals.
Doing so destroys that institution. It’s not configured to do anything but spread ebola like wildfire.
Even the west Africans have figured that out. That’s why no-one there is using ‘hospitals’ as anything but mortuaries.
ALL other illnesses have to be treated AWAY from ebola.
ISOLATION is the primary design requirement.
Regular hospitals are the exact opposite!
Aum Shinrikyo was one group that attempted to get samples Ebola…
Worst case scenario, what could happen?
Just to be scientifically correct, let me give you an example. Some[time] in the 60s here in the United States, and in the 80s in the Soviet Union, there were so-called [modern] experiments using some non-pathogenic bacteria spread in some metro systems. After this, calculations were completed. What we would see, for example, in case of applying a small amount of some agents in metro systems, up to 10,000 infected and dead people. And we can give many more examples, but you know, this is a real capability of biological weapons.
What are the ramifications of this type of weapon being used on a society?
As I said before, the logic of developing weapons and, eventually us[ing] these weapons in terrorist acts, then biological weapons could be undetected. A person or group of people who use it can escape from a place of appl[ication], even from a country of application, undetected. In my opinion, biological agents and biological weapons are very terrifying weapons … we don’t have a capability to detect these weapons before they’re applied, before they’re used. They’re very attractive for possible application, they’re not very expensive and [they’re] relatively easy to manufacture.
When you first started telling the details of the programs, how were you received in the United States by government officials?
It was a shock. A shock because this country stopped this program in 1969. It’s not naiveté, but you know, what the mentality is here in the United States–if [you] signed a treaty, [you] cannot do anything in this case. But this type of mentality couldn’t be applied to other countries. For some countries, just the process of signing one or another treaty is some kind of secret permission to activate to … intensify this activity, because it gives some kind of cover. For example, a country now understands that it has some kind of a weapon that could be used in future war without any serious consequences.
source: Alibek interview PBS frontline (no date given)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/plague/interviews/alibekov.html
“I agree with Ace that Obama and his supporters don’t want to limit people coming to this country, for political reasons. The arrivals are their tickets to permanent Democratic power, which is more important than anything else, including the health of the nation.” neo
I agree that for political reasons, Obama and his supporters don’t want to limit people coming to this country. As you state, the arrivals are their tickets to permanent Democratic power, which is more important than anything else, including deaths en mass of innocents.
That ‘correction’ is factually accurate because Obola KNOWS the potential risks and is acting in a manner that greatly increases the probability of that risk eventuating. Obama is guilty of “dereliction of duty”, “criminal negligence” and “depraved indifference”.
These are by any measure, “High Crimes and Misdemeanors”…
How is it that officials talk about ebola in Africa as an exigent crisis but ebola in America is not a big a deal, need not be prevented with travel restriction, and can be dealt with on the ground in a haphazard manner?
Blert, your point as to infection, survival, and asymtomatic carriers is close, but not correct. the doc that gets the condition and survives is not a carrier, but can have immunity, and so can treat patients. the person that is asymtomatic, can carry it, but depending on transmission, may or may not be able to easily pass it on.
in the case of mary mallone you said:
She was asymptomatic – yet infecting anyone she met – like crazy.
She wanted to go on infecting everybody until she was legally restrained. (Effectively jailed.)
you have the story wrong. mary was a poor woman of meager means and not too bright. she did not infect people by meeting them, she infected them because she liked to work food service. ie. preparing and serving food to people. an easy job that a person can get without skills and easy to go from place to place.
mary was locked up for a short while, but the courts basically said they had no right to hold her for committing no crime. they then released her with the understanding that she could not work in food preparation any more, or any such servicve. however, when she DID go back to that, they were able to get her on that violation of the court, not on the fact she carried desease.
it was not unti the AIDs virus and spiteful people purposefully giving it to others for revenge for their plight that we created laws to lock such away, but other than that, we still do not have such laws. they smack of the soviet unions ability to lock people away for the good of sociaty, and is a power that is easy to abuse once established. (And has been abused in the past in terms of things like mental disorders).
by the 1930s, there were over 400 people wandering abuot just like mary.. we did not lock them away.
Eric, they are relying on the idea that ebola can “burn out”. given its short life in terms of infection and passign it on, its theoretically possible that if you can sit tight, and prevent new infections, destroy the materials related to said infections, that they will burn out and not be an issue after that… which is and has been true in many cases, in fact, in aLL cases of plauge, and other deseases this is exactly what happens. it burns out and then slips back into the silent dormant stages, or disappears entirely till its resevoir distributes it again, or it mutates and becomes nasty again (something we wory about greatly with the flue given the prior history, and that its mutates a whole lot. so it can burn out, and then reappear, and burn out and so on)
Bert: Even the west Africans have figured that out. That’s why no-one there is using ‘hospitals’ as anything but mortuaries.
this is also not factual. they are using the hospitals, except the wards are full. ie. no more room. so they are also using tents and other things more localized. which is what you see in the pictures.
Art…
The MSM has repeatedly reported that Liberians no longer approached their hospitals for ordinary medical needs.
That collapse happened months back.
It was also reported that the shamans had a surge in street cred and business.
Riots have even occurred.
Families have attacked the hospitals to pull EVERY patient out, regardless.
Some Liberian doctors have lamented that the locals were no longer coming in — UNLESS the victim was in terminal ebola condition.
The cross-contamination there must be epic.
Look at the infection rates for the medical staffers… and they’re the ones wearing the protective gear.
Blert: The MSM has repeatedly reported that Liberians no longer approached their hospitals for ordinary medical needs.
the man in dallas took the pregnant woman more than one hospital location… not a tent in the forest.
they were turned away because the part of the hospital reserved for this had been full, and no beds were available.
please give links to articles of said riots and so on.
the only thing resembling riots was in ginea, and that was because someone spread rumors that the virus was sprayed on people in the markets.
remember, historically speaking, africans riot at the drop of a hat… in africa AND the usa… they often do so as a means of pseudo legal robbery using a event as an excuse to attack innocents and supplies of what they want… you can list out dozens of examples, including the recently discussed fergusson.
given this, one cant use riots among africans as a measure of much other than they got a bee in their bonnet and thought now is a good time to gather unto themselves what they can get en masses.
as far as the medical staffers, its only been 3-5 of them out of more than a few hundred that went to help. its these few that are making people worry about the aersols transmitting the desease as they are the ones who follow more protected methods.
To believe that viruses ‘burn out’ is akin to believing in the tooth fairy.
They don’t have internal clocks — like salmon.
The only logical way for the general environment to purify itself is that some antagonist starts consuming ebola viruses.
That antagonist could be
UV radiation
Bacteria
Chemicals — trace ozone, for instance — even air pollutants like N2O4 — may prove to injure the viral sheath — fatally so
[Ozone is always present in air. Its concentration is normally so low that it can’t be registered. It has to exist because at even room temperatures, some feeble number of oxygen atoms will collide with enough energy to form ozone. Any so formed will have a very brief existence, destined to decay in extremely short order. Ozone, or any peroxide, is sure to tear up viral wall structure.]
Some research ought to be instituted — immediately — to find gases that attack ebola in its latent state. If something suitable is found, then tenting and gassing could save countless buildings, and the assets inside.
An ozone generating machine may actually do the trick. To my knowledge, this gambit has never been tried. As we all know, free oxygen purifies swimming water. (Ozone or hypo-chlorite)
It may also save ambulances that have carried ebola victims.
Where is the CDC on this vital issue?
Missing in inaction.
infection rates
In Liberia, 15% of those who have died from the virus were doctors or nurses who contracted it at work, government records show. In Sierra Leone, where the disease has killed at least 572 people, 50 of those were hospital workers, government data there show.
Blert…. your starting to be ridiculous in the things your saying as if your knowlegeable, but your not
they do burn out. but it depends on whether there is a resevoir, and other such things… all of them burn out eventually, and those that are more deadly and fast at it, burn out faster.
aids wont burn out, because its incubation period is 10 years of asymptomatic contamination. ie. any person that has it will be infectious for 10 years.
other things that are fast, like ebola, do burn out. and the viruses are not immortal. some are really tough, tough enough to survive space. others are not so tough…
ebola is not so tough.
[i should point out that i work in research computing in a medical hospital, and its part of my job to know this stuff and assist with studies, simulations, and so on]
ebola is a fragil virus. while ti can survive in left over material, disenfectants easily kill it, as does UV light.
the flu virus are quite hardy and hard to kill and can live for hours in the open, and have even been found to survive time in space.
PLEASE get the facts right on this stuff, as all your doing is feuling panic, and often the panic is more deadly than the deseases once it gets going!!!
Ebola is an incredibly fragile virus…
by the way… innoculation with vaccines created a situation in which small pox had no more carriers. so it burned out. it burned out to the point that the only places that have any small pox is russian and us labs that work on it!!!!
stop panicking… its not helping… its as harmful as the condition itself…
blert..
they use chlorine dioxide to sterilize buildings and the objects within… this is not only strong enough to kill ebola, but is used to rehabilitate places which have anthrax.
and anthraz is one of the toughest critters you can come up against… when it runs out of conditions favorable it starts making hard little spores that can survive over 100 years… easily… it can survive space… uv radiation…
its what they put in our drinking water to kill critters
other things that work are:
Bleach
ethylene oxide
hydrogen peroxide
peroxyacetic acid
methyl bromide
paraformaldehyde
vaporized hydrogen peroxide
u can add all kinds of things to that list like oxalic acid, which is also used to bleach wood, but i wouldnt drink it…
the above are used because they decompose into gasses once they are done and so, they can disenfect and then be gone without danger of leaving anything behind.
so they can easily disenfect the rooms that the patient zero was in…
what they CANT do is catch the adult mouse that may have eaten his vomit… the mouse can carry the condition, but cant spread it easily… (the virus kills baby mice). i have no idea or could find if cats who get the condition from a mouse can carry and transmit.
“as far as the medical staffers, its only been 3-5 of them out of more than a few hundred that went to help. its these few that are making people worry about the aersols transmitting the desease as they are the ones who follow more protected methods.”
The MSM has reported — more than once — that the local doctors, et. al. have been stricken with ebola.
Which makes sense, most of those would’ve been wide open during the early period before the outbreak was even discovered. Ebola protocols were adopted too late for too many. And there weren’t all that many to begin with.
BTW, the MSM credits many semi-skilled health workers with such status that they’d never receive in the First World. So — in every statistic proffered — figure on a huge skew from reality.
[I’m reminded of Cuban ‘doctors’ who wouldn’t qualify as an RN by American standards. It’s by such means that Cuba has an astronomical number of ‘physicians’ — enough to export to Venezuela, even.]
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I’m sick and tired of the CDC happy talk.
We’ve already gone from: “it’s highly unlikely” to “it was obviously inevitable” in less than ten days.
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Those rascals are still arguing that general aviation is required to send doctors and medicine to west Africa.
It’s an absurd proposition on its face.
ONLY select flights should transit into the Hell zone.
Harsh as it is, none of the locals can be permitted to spread ebola any further. The boundaries of the quarantine are determined by history and nature.
The Atlantic and the Sahara are natural barriers — the only ones we can count on. Even so, transit must be restricted.
We must hope that Nigeria holds the line in the east.
If this is done, ebola can be contained, and the CDC can still labor to discover a cure.
It’s the height of insanity to send additional US Army troops into that Hell zone. We can parachute medical supplies/ tents/ you name it, without a footprint.
The experts there already are more than enough to follow assembly directions. The gear practically assembles itself. Local talent can provide all of the manpower ever needed. It’s not so great.
About the fragility of the Ebola virus — a piece in the Washington Post says:
Unfortunately, not terribly reassuring because of that “hard to say, exactly”.
Ban, hell. They won’t even do US side screening, which would be a second layer of defense.
And no plan or action to contain infectious waste.
FEMA’s competency for New Orleans is starting to look pretty good in comparison to the CDC. The levee failing was a bit of a surprise, but as they now say, Ebola in the US was inevitable. And that is from the outbreaks years ago and the one that has been running for months in West Africa.
Harsh as it is, none of the locals can be permitted to spread ebola any further. The boundaries of the quarantine are determined by history and nature.
so i guess your just fine with setting up the precident of the good of the many outweigh the good of the few, and that under the right circumstances, its ok to do what is needed (conveniently).
your not thinking ahead blert… not at all… more than once i put up the link to what the medical usage by the state has been in the soviet union, china, and germany with its action T4 leading to the final solution.
i urge you to think clearly… because you found the excuse that administrators can use for all kinds of things… your a conservative, adorno proves it, you get locked away for being a problem to the mental health of the population. your infirm, cheaper to kill you than treat you, so they kill you for the good of the public. your white, or black, or blue, and there are too many of you, and so, paring down of the population is medically necessary for the good of the rest of the public.
think long and hard about what such can lead to…
your going to argue that there can be limits on it, but why would they put your arbitrary limit on it? moral reasons? morality is old culture, not new culture.
too many white males, lets sterilize them..
right now they are arguing post birth abortions (infanticide unless you wait, then its murder)
Political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
deny climiate change? your nuts, lock em away
no one will care that the idea started with ebola!
dont think so?
The term “philosophical intoxication” was widely used to diagnose mental disorders in cases where people disagreed with leaders and made them the target of criticism that used the writings by Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, and Vladimir Lenin
Article 58 (RSFSR Penal Code)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_58_%28RSFSR_Penal_Code%29
Article 70 became Anti-Soviet agitation
a criminal offence in the Soviet Union. The term was interchangeably used with counterrevolutionary agitation. The latter one was in use after the Russian Revolution and was gradually phased out by the end of the 1930s in favor of the former one.
According to article article 58.10 of RSFSR Penal Code that acted during the period of Stalinism, “propaganda and agitation that called to overturn or undermining of the Soviet power” was punishable with at least 6 months of imprisonment and up to the death sentence in the periods of war or unrest.
why not line up the potential victims and just exterminate the towns? US movies have all entertained the idea of cleansing using a nuclear weapon…
lets just get rid of dallas to save the planet..
care to read the law from germany?
i know… since your here in the US, you may want to read the laws that we got rid of that were similar.
THE YEAR WAS 1979 AND THE place was the state capitol in Sacramento, Calif. Assemblyman Art Torres, chairman of the Health Committee, introduced a bill to the legislature to repeal the state’s sterilization law. First passed in the same chambers 70 years earlier and modified several times over the decades, this statute had sanctioned over 20 000 nonconsensual sterilizations on patients in state-run homes and hospitals, or one third of the more than 60 000 such procedures in the United States in the 20th century.
see: Madrigal v Quilligan
1849: First Bill Proposes Sterilization for “Undesirables”
1897-1909: Several U.S. States Approve Forced Sterilizations
1927: U.S. Declares Sterilization Of Handicapped Persons Constitutional
1942: Skinner vs. Oklahoma
1965: Sterilization of Puerto Rican Women Reaches 30%
1970: Nixon Administration Funds Sterilizations
1973-1976: 3,406 Native American Women Sterilized Without Permission
1909-1979: 20,000 Operations Performed in California
care to revisit the history of what your talkaing about?
jkb: The levee failing was a bit of a surprise, but as they now say, Ebola in the US was inevitable.
actually it wasnt a surprise at all… over a year before the event there was a scientific american article that detailed the situation.
the article was: Drowning New Orleans
A major hurricane could swamp New Orleans under 20 feet of water, killing thousands. Human activities along the Mississippi River have dramatically increased the risk, and now only massive reengineering of southeastern Louisiana can save the city
the article came out in 2001… it detailed the whole situation and what would happen…
oh… and jkb… ebola has been known in africa since the middle of last century… but thanks to the current situation you would be VERY hard pressed to find anything as looking up first ebola case will get you millions of pages generated about the US case, and in less than a few days.. amazing
Art…
Exterior nations — those outside west Africa — are in absolutely no position to establish quarantines INSIDE those nations… just for practical reasons.
Travel bans are pretty much it.
As for going off on the USSR’s perversions of medical care…
‘Tis a stretch. I don’t connect a quarantine to block a pandemic with political repression. But, that’s me.
Secr. Burwell at WH presser: Nothing about a travel ban.
Just tell us if you are sick before you get on the plane and monitor yourself for 21 days.
We are now a magnet for anyone who is sick and can buy a plane ticket.
Why not? We still have the best medical care in the world and it is free.
This is just like the border invasion from Central America this summer.
I have zero confidence in these people.
As scary as Ebola is ( Dulles Intl is my airport ), I wonder if drug resistant TB isn’t actually the most likely health threat many of us will face in the future. Last time I picked up a Rx at CVS all of the Rx bags had TB testing info stapled prominently on the front of them. Testing used to be required of only health and food workers, so why devote so much space to it?
KLS…
The southern wave has some TB infected souls in it.
The maladministration has placed some of these vectors in all fifty-states.
Stop worrying./s
Team obama’s ‘logic’ that banning flights from west Africa would promote the spread of ebola is preposterous and after a few more cases occur here at home the public backlash will be intense, lets hope it is not too late. Drug resistant TB is another very serious issue. A few weeks back there were several warrants issued in California for illegals with drug resistant TB who had refused treatment and run away. EV68 is infecting children all over the nation and there have been a few deaths, including 2 adults.
These diseases and the bho refusal to secure borders and protect the nation by banning flights are topics the gop needs to hammer hard as we approach the coming elections. A few, such as Scott Brown, have seen the light.
More Republicans are seeing the light — from CNN, Ebola becomes an election issue:
The recent Ebola outbreak is becoming an issue in the competitive midterm elections.
Top Democratic and Republican campaign officials in Washington are uncertain about the political ramifications of Ebola’s arrival in the U.S. and are grappling with how to respond.
But Republicans are seizing on the issue as an opportunity to again make the case that President Barack Obama isn’t leading effectively. They’re highlighting Obama’s recent assurance that Ebola was “unlikely” to get to the U.S. and calling for the U.S. to impose new travel restrictions for those countries in Africa where the outbreak began.
It’s all part of an effort to force their Democratic opponents to defend Obama’s response to Ebola.
GOP officials have reason to believe their line of attack will resonate with voters. CNN has learned from sources at the NRSC, the national campaign organization for Senate Republicans, that the group’s internal polling finds 60 percent of voters believe that if a single case of Ebola arises in the U.S., it should be treated as a major crisis by the federal government.
I think that 60% number is going to keep moving upward.