Wishing the presidential race were “fair”
There’s that word again, fair:
Chris Rock would like the presidential race to be more “like a real fight.”
“I wish we didn’t have to stoop to this level. I wish they made it like a real fight. I mean, we’re watching the Olympics right now and everything is fair,” the comedian said on “CBS This Morning” on Thursday. “I wish both guys could only spend the same amount of money and let the best man win.”
Now, Chris Rock is a comedian, but he’s not trying to be funny here. His statements are not all that significant in and of themselves, but I think they’re a good example of a certain trend in thinking on the liberal side.
Note that Rock focuses on financial equality of result (not equality of opportunity) as the basis for “fairness.” And of course his Olympic analogy falls flat even on that score, since different countries have widely differing amounts of money available to support their athletes and their training, and different systems of doing so. So, even by Rock’s definition of “fair” (or maybe especially by his definition of “fair”), his statement makes little sense.
It’s highly unlikely that Rock did much complaining about this back in 2008, when the financial disparity favored Obama. I well remember when candidate Obama announced he was abandoning his pledge to run his campaign through public financing:
It’s not just that he reneged, either–it’s how he reneged. Who’s to blame, according to Obama? Why, John McCain and the nasty Republicans, that’s who. James Joyner writes that this charge of Obama’s does take “a bit of gall.” I’d say it takes substantially more than a bit, as well as a heavy dose of the whining, blaming, audacity in which the holier-than-thou Obama tends to specialize:
The public financing of presidential elections as it exists today is broken, and we face opponents who’ve become masters at gaming this broken system,” Mr. Obama said. “John McCain’s campaign and the Republican National Committee are fueled by contributions from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs. And we’ve already seen that he’s not going to stop the smears and attacks from his allies running so-called 527 groups, who will spend millions and millions of dollars in unlimited donations.”
As they used to say in the schoolyard, takes one to know one. Actually, it’s Obama’s campaign that’s been doing virtually all of the latter, as Jim Kuhnhenn of the AP points out:
Despite that claim, few Republican-leaning groups have weighed into the presidential contest so far. In fact, Obama allies such as MoveOn.org are the ones that have been spending money on advertising against McCain.
When Obama was ahead, it was all good. But now that Romney’s been raising more money, it’s bad and needs to be corrected.
When Obama announced his change of heart on this, back in 2008, I was especially struck by two things. His abandonment of a principle he had purported to support was not really one of them; politicians do that sort of thing all the time. It was his audacious blaming of Republicans for his actions that impressed me and seemed likely to be repeated as his go-to m.o., as well as the fact that his supporters and the MSM not only did not criticize him for his abrupt change of position and abandonment of principle, but supported and made excuses for him. It drove home just how fervent was the devotion to him, and how deeply the press was in his pocket, and was a portent of things to come.
The Democrats never assume responsibility…no doubt it is not their fault that their Romney killed the lady ad is a big fat lie…they were driven to it by the evil Republicans.
Note that Rock focuses on financial equality of result (not equality of opportunity) as the basis for “fairness.”
and where did he learn that communist thing?
Wait, arent women pushing equal outcome, and job equality? which is the same thing? of course…
and they are a majority (With the dissenting women meaningless as no one represents them, and they are not present in the halls of state as the feminists are as advisors and so on… so they are legends intheir own minds, as far as reality and outcome are concerned)
all you have to do is realize the degree to which women get their lives laidout for them by strangers and the entertainment they watch. (which is allrun by feminists, not anyone else… )
here is their location to learn what to be, how to act, what is right, what is wrong, and so on..
here are the TOP magazines…
notice the educational trend here gliechshaltung for the militant sex…
Cosmopolitan, 1.4 million
Woman’s World, 1.1 million
First For Women, 1 million
People, 939,554
Us Weekly 572,875
Family Circle 567,632
In Touch Weekly, 560,585
In Style, 544,875
People StyleWatch, 460,295
National Enquirer, 457,404
O, The Oprah Magazine, 448,649
Glamour, 422,868
Food Network Magazine, 400,254
All You, 394,967
Men’s Health, 391,400
you dont get to a non feminist magazine until number 15, and its metrosexual.
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Its all about projection by the Democrats.
Want to know what the Democrats are actually up to, and how they think and what they think about?
See what they charge their opponents with doing and saying and thinking, and that is what the Democrats are actually doing, and saying, and thinking.
P.S. Chris Rock is a nasty little weasel, who has made a ton of money off “the white man” he so obviously despises, and by playing the race/racial grievance card, which really comprises his entire schtick.
See, for instance, his recent fourth of July Tweet i.e. “Happy white peoples independence day the slaves weren’t free but I’m sure they enjoyed fireworks,”
since neo is going to delete the second half given its too long
‘Tis education forms the common mind
Just as the twig is bent the tree’s inclined
– Alexander Pope
IT all wouldn’t matter much if the population had not been previously prepared by liberating certain people so that certain other people who grew up, would be different than their parents and have no values, and so on and so on.
This book titled “Bending the twig; the revolution in education and its effect on our children” is a genuine inquiry based on thoughtful research into the topic…
A whole lot of this stuff would not work if the minds had not had their consciousness raised to be prepared to act this way and feel entitled, justified, and so on…
[and your certainly not going to reverse it at the last minute either…]
of course, we cant oppose any of that, and all this amounts to talking over the grave as the body is being lowered… plenty of time to keep talking but aint going to save the subject of conversation…
This is a small excerpt from the book:
Few Americans realize that Progressive Education was given a thorough tryout in Soviet Russia. When the Bolsheviks under Lenin destroyed the Kerensky government in November, 1917, they believed that a similar revolution was imminent in other countries and they sought to expedite it by creating in Russia a Communist model for the world.
They proceeded to inaugurate a series of drastic reforms and changes in the traditional life of the Russian people. [feminism, free love, no fault divorce, progressive education, etc… ]
A veritable orgy of change followed in all segments of their society from education to marriage. Many of these “reforms” were not only unnecessary but proved to be harmful to the Communist cause. [and when they discovered that, they stopped it and then worked to instill the same error i nthe US and forbid the reversal of it. our grandparents fought against communism, their daughters embraced it and forced their men to comply a la Lysistrata ]
Anything new or extreme was tried, provided it was a break with the traditional. [sound familiar?]
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You know, Artfldgr, whenever your seething little cranium says to you, “This…THIS …. this THING… while it seems TO BE about Chris Rock it is ACTUALLY, REALLY all about ze wimmins! Yes, the WIMMINS, WOMEN! those… those…. those aliens who have BLIGHTED MY LIFE and I shall now repeat what I have said before around here three gazillion times….”
That might be a sign to stop listening to that particular voice in your head. Or at least stop it from babbling on here.
Thank you for listening.
You see it is not only about having something to say, it is about having something NEW to say.
I have, over my now-many decades, seen/heard more than my share of “it’s not fair”. When used by children, I can benignly overlook it.
But I’ve seen/heard it from far too many grownups. And you know what “it’s not fair” generally means? It means “the outcome is not what I want” or “the outcome does not personally benefit me” or, more despicably, “the outcome does benefit that guy over yonder who is e-e-e-evil”.
It all gets so bo-o-o-oring.
vanderleun,
ever thought that the politicians and our culture doesnt USE women to promote goals they say are for women and help women, but are more helpful to themselves than women? do you really think having the state pay for better birth control than the free condoms it gives out is really for the benefit of women, or to meet goals for agenda 21 which they say they also support?
but who decided first that the patriarchy was unfair and that the world would be better if it was more fair?
thanks for making the case…
“How can you compare the suffering of a white women to the suffering of a black man? It’s not even close!”—Chris Rock
The end result can not be anything BUT what everyone here discusses they don’t want, precisely because, they are busy plucking dandelions and wondering why there are more dandelions and not less.
Without alternatives and having the TV, news, magazines, and ‘studies’ courses all speaking one voice as to what is ok, and what is not, who do you think controls the future, rewrites the past, and erases inconveniences? From birth control in the bedroom, to the workplace, to marriage, to every major place of contention, who is at the front homogenizing the message and even declaring who is a real woman, or not…
here is an example…
where did they get the knowing what political point to be behind, but yet, not know why? from tv, their magazines, school studies classes, posters at work, news articles… did i miss anything? oh yeah, the View… do you know the ratings for that show? its not because the women watching think the women talking and telling them what to think are nuts and its funny…
Since what they have read/seen/heard carries no real argument about why what the leaders want their people to support and push, when asked a question that is reasonable, they give really great answers. Yes?
Caleb Bonham Interviews Attendees of the Obama/Fluke Campaign Event
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aFIkK79Of8&feature=player_embedded
I ask you vanderleun, do you realize what they are teaching and saying about men like you?
“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” — Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor
We’ve begun to raise daughters more like sons… but few have the courage to raise our sons more like our daughters. Gloria Steinem founded Ms. magazine
Some of us are becoming the men we wanted to marry. Gloria Steinem founded Ms. magazine
now… do you think that perhaps the magazines tended to reflect their editors and writers and founders?
“You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs.” — Catherine MacKinnon (Prominent legal feminist scholar; University of Michigan, & Yale.)
of course her beliefs do not influence her classroom, eh?
the whole point of feminism is about their definition of FAIR! how do you not think that this is not related when this equal idea fairness, everyone wins a prize system is their idea?
“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future – If There Is One – Is Female.
“His abandonment of a principle”
Lefties have no principles, except power by any means.
Women for Fair Voting
FAIR VOTING ELECTS MORE WOMEN…NATURALLY
The top countries for representation of women use proportional representation (PR).
The majority of the world’s democracies use one form or other
of proportional representation. This includes all of Europe. Also Scotland, Wales, Ireland use PR for their parliaments.
All PR countries use lists–and most lists are used to elect 100% of representatives–not merely the 30-50% recently proposed in Canada and the provinces.
In PR countries, candidates are democratically nominated and
elected to the lists.
Lists are transparent, the voter can see right away if a party is
fairly nominating candidates.
Under our current FPTP system, nominations are often not
transparent and often under the control of backroom boys.
On average, 80% of the time, the backroom boys choose men
But 80% of Canadians want to elect more women.
Our FPTP system is not transparent, fails to represent women,
minorities, in fact…the majority of us who are underrepresented.
Wasn’t a problem last time of course….
And causation and correlation. People bet on the winner.
Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act…
the Paycheck Fairness Act
Real Clear Politics: Thomas Sowell
The whole point of this political exercise is to get Republicans on record voting against “fairness” for women, as part of the Democrats’ campaign strategy to claim that there is a “war on women.”
Source: Feminist economics wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_economics
Feminism, Fairness and Welfare: An Invitation to Feminist Law-and-Economics. Gillian K Hadfield
University of Southern California Law
Measured Fairness, Situated Justice: Feminist Reflections on Health Care Rationing
http://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=summary&url=/journals/kennedy_institute_of_ethics_journal/v006/6.1nelson.html
Fairness, Feminism, and Radical Feminism
http://marriage.families.com/blog/fairness-feminism-and-radical-feminism
Two types of feminism 1988
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/20014253?uid=3739832&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101126613961
Fairness Doctrine?
anyone still want to talk about the use and promotion of fairness, where and who has used it, and its past history?
Venderluen… the problem is that i dont write the history, i dont create the facts… if the facts i find lead me back to that over and over again. fine. but if you can show me another origin for such in society, and who was pushing it, and that they are NOT RELATED to the group even ancillary, then i would gladly accept an alternative explanation.
but telling me your tired of the explanation cause you want to really shop for another one, and have no actual facts or path to such, and so give me ad hominem, serves what purpose?
i remember when the whole fairness thing got started, and the politically correct thing and so on. all that stuff has a history, and promotors, and so on and so forth…
go ahead, show me a real alternative source for the idea of fairness, when the whole idea for affirmative action, alimony, title ix expansion, and on and on is for a new definition of Fairness.. including the idea that its not fair the wealthy not pay their fair share.
obviously your not sick of unfairness in the name of fairness…
To quote a former president, “Life is not fair.”
BHO is desperate and wishing for some fairy dust on his campaign. This whole Romney is a murderer propaganda smear is the supreme sign of desperation. Spin and lies work on 35 to 40% of the population. 40% of us know better. The 20-25% we label ‘independents’ will make up their mind in October when unemployment is still above 8%, consumer confidence is wallowing in the mud of the pig pen, and the markets have lost 20-40%.
BHO is going back to Chicago to lead a boycott Chic Fil A.
BTW, my newest granddaughter is a beautiful, putting on weight, and an unusually happy baby. All is where it should be in my little world.
I like Glenn Reynolds’ prescription for Hollywood: Tax them. Put them out of business.
>>> When Obama was ahead, it was all good. But now that Romney’s been raising more money, it’s bad and needs to be corrected.
“S.O.P.”
Dog Bites Man!! Film at 11!!
I mean, we’re watching the Olympics right now and everything is fair
The 2012 Canadian women’s soccer team is on line 1 for you, Chris. Also, on line 2 is the 1972 US men’s basketball team who were so torqued up about getting screwed out of a gold medal that they refused their silver medals, and do so to this day.
When Obama was ahead, it was all good. But now that Romney’s been raising more money, it’s bad and needs to be corrected.
I am reminded of Massachusetts changing the way that US Senate vacancies are filled, depending on which way would most likely result in a Demo filling the vacancy.
I don’t see anything wrong with fair pay for the same work. My grandmother got paid less than a man but worked 1.25 hours to every hour he worked, because he was head of his household and she had a husband at home. I also get damned angry when blockheads suggest that women’s suffrage should be repealed. I work, own property and pay taxes, the same as my widowed and spinster aunts. If I wanted to be treated like an idiot, I’d live in Saudi Arabia.
And as long as we’re on the subject of women (why?!?), what’s up with the reporters on Fox dressed like Desperate Housewives extras? Conservative men can’t handle women unless they’re dressed like tarts? Especially ridiculous when the men are in suit and tie and the woman in the middle is dressed for a cocktail party on an Arizona patio.