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Another failure for the Obama Justice Department

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This is exactly why civilian trials for the Guantanamo detainees were always a very bad idea. The civilian justice system is inadequate to deal with them, and was never meant to do so.

Not only that, but this trial was at the very least a waste of time and money, because the upshot is that the defendant Ghailani will go back into indefinite military custody.

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Another failure for the Obama Justice Department — 28 Comments

  4. “We know in the not too distant future, a half dozen corporations are going to control the media.
    We took this step (merger) to ensure we were one of them”–Time Warner

    “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great
    publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion
    for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if
    we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more
    sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty
    of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National auto determination
    practiced in past centuries”–David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting
    in June of 1991

    tons of quotes… all of them having to do with the games that are now coming to fruition…

    “From the days of Sparticus, Weishaupt, Karl Marx, Trotski, bela khun, Rosa Luxenberg and
    Ema Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing.

    This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the French Revolution.

    It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century.

    And now at last, this band of extraordinary personalities from the under-world of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

    Winston Churchill to the London press in 1922.

  5. This really skirts the the only really important question of how cool Obama is. I wonder if anyone even notices his failures anymore. It may be bad accounting on my part but he seems to be averaging one major screw up per week. Everything from a Chavez loving FCC liaison, Honduras, a medal of freedom for the ringmaster of the Durban anti-Israel hatefest, fill in the blank, but he still stays at 45%.

    I was watching a documentary on Napoleon yesterday (another narcissist on a white horse) which quoted him as saying that most people do not want freedom. That may explain the most of the 45% approval. They have their god, personal responsibility be damned.

  6. Boss Tweed would have made a more honest AG than Eric Holder. When have we had a worse AG than Holder? Some of his snafus follow.

    1) His saying Americans are afraid to discuss race, which ignores that the Politically Correct on his side of the aisle will cry racist at the slightest provocation, such as disagreeing with the POTUS. I don’t believe THAT was the reason why AG Holder thought we are afraid to discuss race, but from my vantage point, that is the main reason.
    2) Politicizing the Justice Department by not carrying through on the conviction of the Black Panthers’ misbehavior during election day in 2008.
    3) The current snafu with trying terrorists in civilian court.

    Some interesting factoids about AG Holder follow. He has West Indies roots: three of his four grandparents were from Barbados. This is another example of blacks with West Indies roots outperforming blacks with American roots, such as Colin Powell and Shirley Chisholm. Ronald Reagan appointed Holder to the bench at the Superior Court of the District of Columbia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Holder

  7. Eric, do you want to discuss race? Really? Do you want the truth?

    You can’t handle the truth!

  8. Now the DREAM act is going to the front of the congressional queue.

    Anybody have any word on its changes?

  11. Obama is consistent, I will give him that.

    Also the above statement should have been “Anybody have any word on its chances?”

  12. Too much, too fast, and for too long, this trial exemplifies the obvious, and the obviously predictable; that the Obama Democrats are an undeniable fifth column, that the 45% who enable them range from lethargic, witless fools to wholesale collaborators in treason. People have lost their sense of ethical proportions concerning the realities and ramifications associated with mass murder; and for emphasis Artfldg’s link: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/world/Obama-administration-plans-to-pull-back-National-Guard-from-much-of-the-border-1609716-108993629.html

  13. Depends on how you define “failure”.

    I propose that we let Holder define it, owing to his great familiarity with it.

  14. Obama has no clue what is going on in Washington. His czars, toadies, and underlings are running things and he does daily photo ops from around the country and world.

  15. hey, see the new newsreek cover?
    the reports are getting it wrong, as they say its Shiva… but anyone who isnt a muli kulti idiot would know its Kali

    they are often in the same poses which obama on the cover is in… but Shiva doesn’t have lots of arms.. Kali does.

    Shiva (pronounced /ˈʃiːvÉ™/; Sanskrit: शिव Åšiva, meaning “auspicious one”;) is a major Hindu deity, and the Destroyer or transformer of the Trimurti, the Hindu Trinity of the primary aspects of the divine.[2] In the Shaiva tradition of Hinduism, Shiva is seen as the Supreme God. In the Smarta tradition, he is regarded as one of the five primary forms of God.[3]

    KālÄ« (Sanskrit: काली, IPA: [kɑːliː]; Bengali: কালী), also known as Kalika (Bengali: কালিকা, Kālikā), is the Hindu goddess associated with eternal energy. The name Kali comes from kāla, which means black, time, death, lord of death, Shiva. Kali means “the black one”. Since Shiva is called Kāla – the eternal time, KālÄ«, his consort, also means “the Time” or “Death” (as in time has come). Hence, Kali is considered the goddess of time and change. Although sometimes presented as dark and violent, her earliest incarnation as a figure of annihilation still has some influence. Various Shakta Hindu cosmologies, as well as Shakta Tantric beliefs, worship her as the ultimate reality or Brahman.

    so basically they muffed it both ways..
    he is either shiva the destroyer, and has two arms
    of he is the female kali, shivas consort, and has many arms. both can be depicted as blue…

    Since most didnt listen on my history stuff
    i dont think most would listen to my stuff on reading the vedas and as many religions as i could.. 🙂

  16. oh.. i forgot… they may have been word playing since Kala is black… “Shiva is Kala, thus his wife is Kali.”

  17. and in judaism, shiva is when someone dies and you mourn… (no mirrors, no cooking people bring food, etc)

    so this is heap big symbolism from the land of archetypes

  19. “Obama has no clue what is going on in Washington. His czars, toadies, and underlings are running things and he does daily photo ops from around the country and world.”

    If only Stalin knew…? Sorry. Not letting Barry off that easily….

  20. The Food Safety Modernization Act is back also. Artfldgr and I have both tried to point out how bad this is……

  21. There is a perverse nature to the Obama Democrat’s focus, their lack of respect for the 55% of their constituancy who they are fully aware now are not on board with their radical left agenda, and to whom they still owe a modicum of fiduciary duty; along with their stunted cognition of authentic ethical proportions, ie. comparing, what is in reality the comparatively rare use of duress in certain important and unusual American interrogations, versus the widespread use of gratuitous violence, intimidation and brazen mass murder around the world and on a daily basis by the brutally dedicated aggressive jihadi culture and their left-wing toads and tools. It is an enemy numbering, easily now, in the several hundreds of millions. Along with their phony indignation and contrived U.N. policy manipulations, it’s a state of affairs as insidious and dangerous as any events that were occurring in pre-WWII, late 1930’s history; perverse is the word that best describes today’s jihad/left-wing agenda, treasonous best describes the act of removing National Guard protection from the southern border; it’s a defense issue as real and compelling as anything in Afghanistan or Iraq.

  22. Truly an “oops” moment for the Obama Administration.

    What are they to do? During the campaign and after, Obama trashed the military tribunals set up during the Bush Administration. His anti-war base will not let him go back on that. But after this verdict he also cannot proceed with civilian trials, as he can’t risk having the next Ghailani being found not guilty on all charges. Given that no less a liberal than Senator Chuck Schumer opposes a New York trial for 9-11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (not to mention almost all other New York politicians, Republican or Democrat), it’s hard to see that happening too.

    The administration has painted itself into a corner. The political side of me will enjoy watching them squirm, but the patriot in me is saddened for our country.

  23. Lefties love show trials, which was what the trial was. Also, as others have pointed out, Obama HAD to use civilian courts because of his campaign rhetoric — the “trial” killed two birds with one stone.

    But Obama doesn’t have to worry about this travesty. His base loved it, it’s their kind of justice. I think most independents, if they cared about it at all, will have forgotten about it come 2012.

  24. I shudder every time I read a Lefty calling someone stupid, yet again. However, there has been this thing, that has bothered me almost as much, which is, well, stupidity. Over and over, the great and the minor have told us that “torture” or anything that they want to call torture would queer a prosecution. Only, we were not planning a legal prosecution, but fighting a war, which the other side loudly declared. Whatever interrogation we did was not aimed a getting ‘evidence’, which would have been tainted, from a prosecutor’s point of view, because we wanted to know what the bad guys were going to do, next. Then, they tried to prosecute these guys. Are they that stupid? Could anyone be? Here we go again, Obama:Fool of Knave?

  25. The administration has painted itself into a corner.

    Exactly. Proof positive that Barry, or whoever gives him his orders, is a nitwit. Someone with more intelligence would have left himself some wiggle room, and would have promised to convene one of those “blue-ribbon panels” so beloved of liberals, and thereby outsourced the opprobrium to them.

    But the Indonesian Imbecile, with a mind unsullied by facts, wisdom, or reflection, nailed his colors to the mast, and now he’s stuffed no matter what he does. Pure genius. Leftists will be incensed if he returns to military tribunals, no matter the outcome. Everyone else will be incensed if he tries them in civilian courts, particularly if the trials result in acquitals, but even if they don’t. Who wants his city to have a bullseye on it?

    Seriously, can the man not think at all? Has he never heard of a decision tree? Brilliant? I think the man is of below normal intelligence.

  26. Have you all seen Andy McCarthy’s reaction to this? I’m a little surprised that he’s taking it in an unusually blase way.

    His argument is basically that civilian trials for terrorists are a mistake, but given that the Ghailani case had already been tried in civilian courts, this was both understandable and not something to use as a precedent for further civilian trials.

    He thinks the compromise verdict is ridiculous (as are all compromise verdicts), but that that is what you get in civilian trials. It’s not Holder’s or Obama’s fault, he says, that there was a bad juror.

    I guess what he’s trying to say is that we shouldn’t freak out over this. But I don’t know. The guy was instrumental in killing over 200 people and justice is to have him convicted for conspiring to attack government buildings?

    Maybe I’m just being too sensitive here, but would anyone here agree with me on this:

    Lets say KSM was tried in a civilian court, and he got life with no possibility for parole, but on a charge of conspiring to destroy government property (or some other weak sounding charge).

    I really wouldn’t be all that pleased by that, even though the terrorist was convicted and sentenced to die in prison. I guess I just despise the idea of telling the families and friends of those who died on 9/11 that “We got him – on conspiracy to destroy buildings.”

    Holding him forever without trial at Gitmo at least acknowledges the truth – that he is a non-citizen war criminal and unlawful combatant, and as such has zero rights under our constitution.

    Having him convicted and sentences based on a lie does not seem like justice to me. But, I don’t know – maybe that’s just me.

    * oh, and I don’t mean to imply that McCarthy thinks the Ghailani result was “justice.” I just wanted to point out that of all the things for him to be cool about, I can’t figure out why it’s THIS.

  27. All part of the plan, man, dismantling from within. Keep the outrages coming, until you hit the right nerve, anger the right individual(s), and they react. Martial law, emergency measures etc.

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