Some issues came up about abortion in the comments yesterday, and I think I’ll briefly take up two of them.
(1) From “R2L”:
I wonder why the standing of the father is so seldom mentioned in these cases and discussions. Clearly many men impregnating a woman “by accident” are not interested in accepting the obligations of rearing a child, but some are. Since 23 of the chromosomes in the embryo/ fetus are not really part of “my body my choice” it seems very fair to ask why the original owner of those chromosomes might have “standing” as well.
“Standing” isn’t just an interest in something. It’s a legal right to sue concerning something, and requires an “injury in fact” that is “redressable” by the court. A man who impregnates a woman could certainly sustain an “injury in fact” through her decision to have an abortion, but that injury is not “redressable” by the court. There is no getting around the fact that the woman is the pregnant person and he is not, and he cannot force her to bear a child and continue a pregnancy in her own body against her will, nor can he take on the pregnancy himself in his body (despite what trans activists might have you think). Men have rights in their children once they are born, of course, as well as responsibilities, and courts get involved in those things from time to time. But the man is not pregnant.
(2) From commenter OBloodyHell:
Not a big fan of this kind of challenges [to abortion]. They key on — rely on — far too much upon religious interpretations to justify their actions.
Religion is not, and should never be, a basis for The Law.
And if you try and say it should, grasp this: You are opening the door for Islam to demand Sharia Law be the law they operate under.
No. HELL NO
If you cannot justify a position simply by the notions of “natural law”, rather than using Jesus and the Bible for cause, then you are not only wrong, you’re being STUPID to support it being LAW.
This doesn’t mean you cannot use peer pressure to push behavior in a given direction. It just means you should not be using LAW to do the job.
And here’s a reply from “R2L”:
OBH, I agree with you in general, but it seems to me most discussions of “natural law” end up sneaking in concepts of God, revelation, absolute instead of relative, soul, and other semi-religious and “self evident” (essentially axiomatic) ideas. At least most versions are oriented to our Western Judeo-Christian history. Natural law is seldom addressed from the perspective of evolutionary psychology and our evolved mental states (or companion neuroscience). Also, of course civil law was derived from studies of Roman Law, and development of cannon law when the pope became supreme ruler over souls (1057AD?), and the success of cannon law led secular leaders to adjust it for non-religious uses in turn. These ideas were more widely spread with the creation of universities starting around 1188 and later, then the printing press, etc. The Renaissance and the Enlightenment brought us to our current state of a republican constitutional democracy (at least in theory).
How do we move the law to a position where it will give standing to the potential person gestating in the womb? I gather, following PM Thatcher, we have to win the argument first, and then we can obtain the votes. Given the divide in our country on several ideological fronts and issues, that will not be easy.
The left is constantly trying to find “penumbras” and hidden rights within the language of the Constitution and statutes in order to push through rulings they want and expand the law to cover things it never was intended to cover. The right opposes that – except that now and then a certain number of people on the right happen to want a certain result from the courts, such as a nationwide ban on abortion, and those people (fewer than on the left, but still not a minuscule number) are hoping the courts will find an implicit right somewhere that can make that happen.
In my opinion, that’s not the correct approach at all. The Constitution neither guarantees a right to abortion – Roe – nor supports its ban on the federal level through courts or even as an act of Congres. States can decide for themselves. But if either side wishes a national requirement that abortion be made legal everywhere – the left’s position, for the most part – or wishes a national ban or strong limitation (the stance of some on the right), there is a remedy: a Constitutional amendment. That is the way to establish a national right or to take it away (Prohibition is a good example of the latter).
Why don’t people talk much about this remedy, the amendment process? Because it requires a great deal of consensus. The Founders made amendments difficult to pass, for very good reason. As “R2L” says, first win the argument and then get the votes. That can happen more easily on a state level, but it could happen on a national level if enough people in enough states agree on one point of view or the other. But that’s not where we’re at right now.
