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Gotcha moment du jour: O’Donnell, separation of church and state, and the First Amendment

The New Neo Posted on October 19, 2010 by neoOctober 19, 2010

If you go to memeorandum right now, you’ll see that their lead story is a bunch of articles on Christine O’Donnell’s alleged ignorant/stupid/shocking faux pas in her debate with Coons, where she allegedly had no idea that the Constitution establishes the separation of church and state in the First Amendment. Here’s the quote:

The comment came during a debate on WDEL radio with Democratic opponent Chris Coons, who argued that local schools should teach science rather than religion, at which point O’Donnell jumped in. “Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?” she asked…

The audience at Widener Law School was taken aback, with shouts of “whoa” and laughter coming from the crowd.

Coons then pointed to the First Amendment, which states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

“You’re telling me the First Amendment does?” O’Donnell interrupted to ask.

Following the next question, Coons revisited the remark ”” likely thinking he had caught O’Donnell in a flub ”” saying, “I think you’ve just heard from my opponent in her asking ”˜where is the separation of church and state’ show that she has a fundamental misunderstanding.”

“That’s in the First Amendment?” O’Donnell again asked.

“Yes,” Coons responded.

I have read several stories in the MSM that report on the exchange, and so far I have yet to see a discussion of the very real issue that O’Donnell appears to be referencing here. Here’s a typical piece, in the WaPo, which quotes constitutional law professor Erin Daly, as saying that:

…while there are questions about what counts as government promotion of religion, there is little debate over whether the First Amendment prohibits the federal government from making laws establishing religion.

“She seemed genuinely surprised that the principle of separation of church and state derives from the First Amendment, and I think to many of us in the law school that was a surprise,” Daly said. “It’s one thing to not know the 17th Amendment or some of the others, but most Americans do know the basics of the First Amendment.”

I’m genuinely surprised to hear that Daly is surprised by Donnelly, because by his use of the phrase “derived” rather than “stated,” he shows his own awareness that the phrase “separation of church and state” does not appear in the First Amendment. I assume he is also aware that there is a school of conservative thought (one with which he probably disagrees, but still, it is a bona fide knowledge-based position) that points out that the phrase does not appear in the First Amendment, which is interpreted more strictly by them as doing two things only:

(1) banning any interference with citizens’ freedom to practice the religion of their choice, as long as the practice does not violate the law of the land (human sacrifice, for example, would be a major problem)

(2) banning the establishment of a state religion (a practice that was common in Europe at the time of the formation of this country)

In other words, it protects the religious individual from state restrictions, and it protects all individuals from the state elevating one particular religion to official status. Let’s look at the words of the First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The words “separation of church and state” do not appear there, which Christine O’Donnell’s campaign manager Matt Moran later said was what O’Donnell meant. I don’t have a transcript of the entire debate, so I don’t know if she attempted to clarify this, but if she didn’t, she should have.

However, I think it’s pretty clear from the part of the exchange I have seen that that was the basis of her statement, and that she had in mind the argument by some conservatives that the intent of the First Amendment was never to prohibit the insertion of some religious elements into public schools and public life, and that the courts have gone too far in that regard.

If you actually take a look at those words in the First Amendment, it seems fairly clear that the narrower, conservative interpretation is a valid one. The entire intent of the amendment appears to be to stop the state from interfering with various freedoms of expression, of which religion is but one, rather than to ban religion from public life and public utterance (the founders themselves made constant reference to it, for example). And it is a historical fact that it wasn’t until the twentieth century that the courts extended the prohibition on promotion of a particular religion to the states; before that it was allowed.

Now let’s look at the phrase “separation of church and state:”

The modern concept is often credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase “separation of church and state” is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists…

So it does not appear in the Constitution; only some time afterward. And what Jefferson meant by it does not appear to have been what the phrase has come to mean now in all its manifestations. His letter can be found here, and his words appear to reiterate the aforementioned two principles established by the First Amendment, calling it a “wall of separation between Church & State.”

I have noticed a trend in the MSM that goes like this: the press decides that certain candidates on the right are idiots (Palin and O’Connell come to mind, and Bush before them). There is then a sort of lying-in-wait for the absurd utterance to reveal the utterly moronic nature of that person. However, since the press and pundits are not necessarily brilliant critical thinkers themselves, the utterance they fasten in is often (not always, but often) actually more intelligent than they realize. They may not agree with it, but it is seldom based on nothing, and they reveal their own ignorance in their laughing derision of it.

But the goal is not to understand what the genuine arguments and disagreements are. The goal is to discredit. And in this, they have an ally in the current state of American education on our own traditions and their origins. It is certainly a valid point of view to believe that the development of constitutional law regarding the separation of church and state, and its current state of prohibition on any public or publicly-sponsored official religious expression, is an organic and valid expression of the intent of the Constitution. But to ignore the argument to the contrary, ridicule it, misrepresent it, and/or believe it is laughable, is ignorant. Unfortunately, they get away with it, and in the process we are all harmed.

[NOTE: There’s much more information on the Founders and separation of church and state here and elsewhere online. It’s a huge and complex subject, not easily simplified, except in gotcha politics. For one small example, there’s this:

In setting up the University of Virginia, Jefferson encouraged all the separate sects to have preachers of their own, though there was a constitutional ban on the State supporting a Professorship of Divinity, arising from his own Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom.[28] Some have argued that this arrangement was “fully compatible with Jefferson’s views on the separation of church and state;” however, others point to Jefferson’s support for a scheme in which students at the University would attend religious worship each morning as evidence that his views were not consistent with strict separation.]

[ADDENDUM: Ace agrees. And Michelle Malkin makes a good point about Coons.]

Posted in Law, Politics, Press, Religion | 49 Replies

Those “demonic” Obama photos

The New Neo Posted on October 19, 2010 by neoOctober 19, 2010

Rush Limbaugh is talking about this photo of Obama from Drudge:

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Limbaugh says:

An American president has never had facial expressions like this. At least we’ve never seen photos of an American president with facial expressions like this.

I beg to differ. When I saw the photos, I immediately thought of Nixon—a president who resembles Obama, not in his policies or his actual face of course, but in a sometime off-kilter-ness of expression.

Note Nixon in his famous “I am not a crook” speech. In particular, take a look at the 17-second mark, when his hooded eyes look way upward and to his left (our right) on the word “obstructed.” His head is down rather than up, and his mouth is sadder, but it looks kinda similar to me:

Posted in Historical figures, Obama | 12 Replies

I don’t usually agree with Eugene Robinson, but…

The New Neo Posted on October 19, 2010 by neoOctober 19, 2010

…he raises a good point here, which is: if the Republicans sweep into Congress, will they have the cojones to make the required cuts, and will the American public accept it if they do?

Because if it doesn’t work out, there may be another wild pendulum swing come 2012.

Posted in Politics | 21 Replies

Valerie Jarett meets Orwell

The New Neo Posted on October 18, 2010 by neoOctober 18, 2010

This is the sort of thing that is so infuriating about Obama and so many of his aides and admirers.

What’s so off-putting? It’s not just disagreement with them over their agenda for the country and how to solve the problems it faces. Nor even anger at their failure to hear the majority of the populace. It’s their tendency towards projection of their own worst traits onto others, and their need to invest Obama with exactly the opposite characteristics from those he actually exhibits.

That’s what makes Obama and many Obamaphiles especially unusual and particularly Orwellian. None of Bush’s supporters said he was especially articulate or exceedingly intellectual. No one said that Clinton had reached a high level of marital fidelity. I don’t recall anyone claiming that Nixon had a charmingly winning personality (oh, maybe one of his daughters, but you know what I mean).

But get a load of this, by Valerie Jarrett:

I think [Obama] is not a slick politician,” Jarrett said. “He doesn’t have the shtick, you know, the way a lot of politicians do. He’s completely sincere and true and I think people are not used to seeing that in their politicians. So it’s taking people a while to realize that he’s actually a real person and he’s not just trying to pretend and fool them and trick them into thinking he’s something else. He’s exactly who he is,” she said. “He doesn’t do the theater.”…

Jarrett also blamed some of the president’s perceived problems on “the fact that there’s a kind of toxicity in the language.” She said the president “always keeps an even tone and … he always looks for the better angels in people.”…

“A lot of people are very frustrated and they’re hurting,” she said. “There’s been a deep wound that was created before he became president, and now he’s president and responsible for helping heal that wound. But it doesn’t heal overnight.”

This seems to be the agreed-on meme du jour.

And I’m wondering just what on earth Jarrett could mean by this next quote:

He’s a student of history, so he knows that it’s in times of great challenges when our country has been the most innovative and creative, and we look for new solutions and new opportunity. That’s who we are; that’s our international reputation as a country.”

Not only has Obama given no indication of being a student of history—except, perhaps, the history of progressive activism—but her statement is so vague as to be virtually meaningless. Is she speaking of technology when she says “innovation?” Isn’t our international reputation about defending freedom and liberty here and around the world in times of “challenge?” About economic opportunity through capitalism? About individual rights? About our republican form of government?

Posted in Obama, Politics | 47 Replies

Obama’s Unexcellent Adventure

The New Neo Posted on October 18, 2010 by neoOctober 18, 2010

By Iowahawk.

[HAT TIP: commenter “Beverly.”]

Posted in Obama, Pop culture | 8 Replies

What’s the next Congress to do with HCR?

The New Neo Posted on October 18, 2010 by neoOctober 18, 2010

Some suggestions.

Posted in Health care reform, Politics | 4 Replies

Obama: the only thing we have to fear is…

The New Neo Posted on October 17, 2010 by neoOctober 17, 2010

…fear itself. Oh, and frustration:

Part of the reason that our politics seems so tough right now and facts and science and argument does not seem to be winning the day all the time is because we’re hardwired not to always think clearly when we’re scared,” Obama said Saturday evening in remarks at a small Democratic fundraiser Saturday evening. “And the country’s scared.”…

He faulted the economic downturn for Americans’ inability to “think clearly” and said the burden is on Democrats “to break through the fear and the frustration people are feeling.”

Obama really doesn’t learn. His above-it-all condescension, his tendency to play the social-worker-in-chief, his suggestion that he and his supporters are fact-driven and his detractors are emotion-driven, all come across worse as time goes on. And when he speaks at fundraisers in front of moneyed supporters, these repellent traits tend to come out in especially sharp relief. Bitter clingers and all that.

So let me respond. Yes, Mr. President, many people are afraid and frustrated, but not just about the economy in general. A great many of us have become afraid of the damage that can be done by you and your fellow Democrats remaining in power. We have become afraid of (and highly frustrated by) the attempts of you and your party to jerk us by the too-tight collar and lead us much further to the left than we think best. We have felt those twin emotions, fear and frustration, as well as others such as anger and a sense of betrayal, as we’ve watched over the last two years as you and/or Congress have passed one counterproductive and unpopular bill after another, ignored our clearly stated opinions and wishes, sucked up to dictators and apologized for this country, and broken promise after promise and then lied about it.

Who’s thinking clearly, and who is not?

[NOTE: And don’t think Obama is planning to abandon his agenda if he and his party do manage to bitterly cling to power. At this meeting and other recent ones, he’s made it clear that he will persevere:

He said he needs Democrats in the Senate “because every bit of progress that we need to make is going be a matter of grinding it out.”

“Grinding” is a word Obama returned to several times Saturday as he tried to empathize with Democrats who are frustrated with his administration and leaders in Congress.

“Now we’re in the midst of not just advocating for change, not just calling for change ”“ we’re doing the grinding, sometimes frustrating work of delivering change ”” inch by inch, day by day,” Obama said.]

Posted in Obama, Politics | 43 Replies

Bill Maher’s Christine O’Donnell clips

The New Neo Posted on October 16, 2010 by neoOctober 16, 2010

What does this video reveal?

(1) O’Donnell annoys liberals no end, and has been doing so for quite some time.

(2) She has a lot of experience being in the line of rhetorical fire.

(3) She’s pretty charming, which doesn’t hurt.

(4) She’s no dummy.

(5) Bill Maher doesn’t have quite the ammunition he suggested he did.

Take a look:

Funny that one of the clips features our senator-to-be from Minnesota, Al Franken himself.

[Hat tip: Althouse.]

Posted in Politics, Pop culture, Theater and TV | 64 Replies

Survival lessons from Chile: leadership and faith

The New Neo Posted on October 16, 2010 by neoOctober 16, 2010

[Bumped up.]

My new piece is up at RightNetwork. In it, I compare the leaders who emerged under two extreme survival situations in South America: the recent Chilean mine accident, and the Andes plane crash of 1972 that inspired the book Alive.

[NOTE: And if you’re interested in watching a fascinating documentary about the Andes plane crash—much better than the dreadful Hollywood movie made on the subject—please take a look at this.]

Posted in Disaster, Latin America, Literature and writing | 46 Replies

Obama appeals to blacks to save him

The New Neo Posted on October 16, 2010 by neoOctober 16, 2010

Charles Blow of the NY Times writes that Obama is now trying to rally the black vote to come out for him, based not on his record, but on racial solidarity:

…[A]ds, on black radio and in black newspapers, simply extol their audiences to “stand with President Obama.”

These ads aren’t about policy. They’re personal appeals on behalf of the president. You don’t have to be engaged to get it. This November you’re voting for Obama, again.

Blow himself is black and an Obama supporter, so I assume he’s not just trying to smear Obama or accuse him of racial pandering. And he thinks the strategy just might work. As Obama told a largely black audience at Bowie State University, a historically black college: “Don’t make me look bad, now.”

Ah, how the “post-racial” president has fallen. It makes political sense, however, for him to use one of his strongest assets, the strength of his continuing support among black voters, to try to motivate that group to get to the polls.

Note, also, that Blow begins his column with the usual knee-jerk assertion about racist Republicans:

The president and fellow Democrats have taken a page from the Republican playbook. They’re unabashedly using racial-solidarity politics to animate voters.

The racist Republicans—it’s a meme that won’t die.

From the start, Obama has carefully used accusations of racism to explain those who oppose him. I first noticed it during his presidential campaign, and I wrote posts about it in June and then again in August of 2008. Here’s what I wrote in June:

Barack Obama, the candidate who wants to end divisiveness, and who wants to run a clean and honorable campaign without negativity, said the following in a recent campaign speech at a Florida fund-raising reception:

It is going to be very difficult for Republicans to run on their stewardship of the economy or their outstanding foreign policy. We know what kind of campaign they’re going to run. They’re going to try to make you afraid. They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?”

We have here a truly masterful attempt to flames of paranoia on the part of his followers and adopt the mantle of victimization for himself, thus raising rather than lowering the amount of divisiveness and vitriol in the campaign. Pretty good for just a couple of sentences.

Obama is correct in saying that there have been racist remarks against him. These have originated from fringe elements and/or commenters in the blogosphere and/or anonymous email campaigns. They focus on his “funny name,” for example, or the fact that he’s black.

But in this speech he appears to attribute””or to encourage his supporters to attribute””these charges to the entire Republican Party, couched as a threatening “they.”

It’s easy to forget some of these details of Obama’s campaign behavior, since so many dramatically distracting events have transpired since. But when he was running for president, Obama used the “Republicans are racist” accusation early and effectively and purposefully and explicity. Later, he was content to let proxies (including the compliant journalists of JournoList) carry on the torch.

Charles Blow and other Democrats in the press are still doing it, and Obama is looking to blacks to save the party in 2010. Why? Because it’s almost all they’ve got now.

Posted in Obama, Race and racism | 16 Replies

And speaking of ignorance…

The New Neo Posted on October 16, 2010 by neoOctober 16, 2010

…Joe Klein shows quite a bit of it himself in his hit piece on ignorant commoners like Christine O’Donnell:

[O’Donnell] is attractive, to some, because she doesn’t know anything. She couldn’t name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with, not even Roe v. Wade. There is no way she could ever be confused with a member of the elites; there is no way she could be confused with an above average high school student.

Only problem with what he’s written (well actually, it’s hardly the only problem, but it’s the one that initially leapt out at me) is that he is misstating the question O’Donnell was answering. She was asked to name a SCOTUS decision “of late” with which she disagreed. When she couldn’t think of one, Wolf Blitzer “helpfully” suggested Roe v. Wade, but O’Donnell corrected him by saying that Roe is not a recent SCOTUS decision (the date was 1973, in case you’re interested).

Perhaps O’Donnell’s difficulty in naming a recent case with which she disagreed might be due to the fact that—as Cornell law professor William A. Jacobson noted:

The question of dissatisfaction with Supreme Court decisions “of late” was particularly bad. For conservatives, decisions by the Roberts Court “of late” have been, for the most part, acceptable. The Kelo case, from 2005 (pre-Roberts), is being cited as something O’Donnell should have known, but that really is inside the law stuff. Coons didn’t exactly exhibit legal scholarship by citing the Citizens United case, considering that for the last several months the case has been the rallying cry of the left.

Klein doesn’t appear to understand the irony of his calling O’Donnell ignorant as he simultaneously displays his own ignorance.

Posted in Politics, Press | 14 Replies

Great campaign ad

The New Neo Posted on October 15, 2010 by neoOctober 15, 2010

Short, punchy, and to the point:

[Hat tip: Michael Barone.]

Posted in Uncategorized | 4 Replies

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