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On moderate Muslims and the concept of “religiosity” [Part I]

The New Neo Posted on March 28, 2016 by neoMarch 30, 2016

[NOTE: This is Part I of a two-part series.]

A short while ago I wrote this about the so-called “moderate Muslims”:

Islam may not have moderate branches, but there are moderate Muslims who are good citizens of this country and believe in its ideals.

Do you not know nominal Christians and nominal Jews who don’t follow all the precepts (or even most of the precepts) of their religions? Islam is no different. I know quite a few people born as Muslims who are not religious. Some are even atheists. I know these people quite well. They would be classified by Islam as Muslims, and they would be Muslims by birth, but they are very moderate and no threat at all. They constitute more than 10% but probably less than 50% of the Moslems in this country. Some of them, for example, are expat Iranians who came (or their parents came) to this country after the 1979 revolution. They no more want that sort of life for themselves or for other people than you do, and they are against terrorism. Nor do they want other people to become Muslim.

When I wrote that, I had not yet read this piece by my friend Richard Landes. He makes a somewhat similar argument about “moderate” Muslims—although he makes it far more elegantly and clearly than I ever did, and he then goes on to expand on it greatly. I recommend that you read the whole thing, but here are some excerpts:

…I suggest we look at a matter not so much of theology, or even exegesis, as of “religiosity”””a particular “style” of living one’s religion, the way one’s religious convictions affect the way one treats others, both co-religionists and outsiders. Religiosity goes a long way toward understanding how any given believer reads his or her sacred and legal texts, and to what theological principles they will find themselves drawn.

Not all people who follow a religion follow it in the same way. Typically, the stricter ones consider the others as having left the religion or as practicing a bastardized and/or inauthentic form of the religion, but the rest continue to believe themselves members of that religion in good standing.

Landes goes on:

If “religiosity” designates a religious style, a way of “living” one’s religious beliefs, then “triumphalist religiosity” designates believers who need to assert their own dominance as a visible sign of their superiority, as a proof of God(s) “favor.” Put somewhat differently, “because we rule, our god is the true god.” In monotheism: “We are God’s chosen because we rule.”

So, what are triumphalists out to do?:

Triumphalist religiosity places great importance on a visible deference paid to true believers. It both demands that others pay it respect and, to varying degrees depending on circumstances, disrespects others as a matter of principle. Triumphalists find public criticism unacceptably disrespectful, and interpret blasphemy laws aggressively in order to silence dissent. Intolerance, disdain, violence, repression, intimidation””all of these deeds and attitudes, reflect triumphalist religiosity in its crudest forms. Historically, then, triumphalists exercise power in an authoritarian manner, and, when insecure, tend, domestically, toward inquisitorial persecution of dissent (heretics, apostates) and humiliation of non-believers, and internationally, towards holy wars (Jihads, Crusades) and the massacre of those who resist.

There is a close correlation between triumphalist religiosity and tribal warrior, honor-shame culture: When he found out about the [salvific] crucifixion, the triumphalist tribal war chief, Clovis, exclaimed: “If me and my men had been there, we would have avenged this wrong.” When the Parisian clergy demanded redress for the Chevalier de la Barre’s refusal to doff his cap at their Corpus Christi procession, they were asserting their rights to public deference, and the state made good on their outrage by torturing and beheading the insulter.

Note that the examples from Christianity are ancient. And in America, hundreds of years ago, a further and even more definitive break was made with that tradition by the Constitution:

When the U.S. Constitution separated Church and State, it formally renounced triumphalist religiosity. Every citizen of the democracy, and all the religious groups therein, have full freedom to believe that they are special, the one and only true faith, the exclusively chosen of God””in their own minds and hearts, in their own community of conviction. But they cannot use the state (i.e. coercive power) to impose that perception on others. This involves a collective deed of renunciation so rare, that the U.S. Constitution (1789) represents the first time in the 1750-year history of Christianity that tolerance of dissenting faith became a “winner’s creed.”

Landes is a retired history professor who is an expert on the millennium of 1000, and this background positions him very well to understand the phenomenon:

In Paris in 2015, jihadis began with attacks on blasphemers and Jews and ended with attacks on the nightlife scene. Some puzzled about why. Whence this hostility? It seems less incomprehensible when one realizes that triumphalists find any independent infidel, especially those who are enjoying their (immoral) freedom, intolerable. While different believers have different thresholds at which they will become violent, all triumphalists are susceptible to the Jihadi temptation. When people warn of the negative impact of insults on moderate Muslims’, they refer, often without acknowledging it, to this tipping point at which triumphalists find the behavior of insufficiently deferential infidels unbearable.

Culturally, triumphalism is at the intersection of two powerful social forces: a tribal warrior ethos that appeals especially to the youth, and an imperial, millennial ethos that mobilizes the drive for world conquest. Together they constitute a powerful recruiting device urging hormone-riddled young people to join the apocalyptic global battle to implement Allah’s plan for a global Caliphate. And as victorious warriors, to them go the spoils of holy war.

So there are two dimensions about religion that matter in this discussion. One is whether a religion is “truimphalist” or not. If it is not, then it doesn’t much matter how deeply religious a person is; he or she will very much tend to be a live-and-let-live type. It the religion is triumphalist, then “religiosity” is a dimension that matters very much.

Islam is a religion that in its classic form is triumphalist (there are heterodox forms that are not, but they are minority sects of the religion). There are many Muslims in this country who display no more “religiosity” than the secular Jew or the reform Jew who doesn’t keep kosher and hasn’t read the Tanakh, or those nominal Christians who don’t go to church regularly and even have some trouble with the doctrine of Christ’s divinity. Many of those Muslims are citizens who are as dedicated to the principles of the Constitution as the average Christian or Jew. Those who suggest that all Muslims must be deported need to take them into account without just stating that all Muslims are secret jihadis or that these “moderate” people aren’t really Muslims.

They exist. They are Muslims of one kind or other. They are citizens. You may think they are the eggs that must be broken to make some palatable omelets, but I don’t.

[Part II, to come tomorrow, will deal with some suggestions of mine on what should be done.]

[ADDENDUM: Part II can be found here.]

Posted in Religion, Terrorism and terrorists | 43 Replies

Trump and that thing called character

The New Neo Posted on March 28, 2016 by neoMarch 28, 2016

I probably wouldn’t have said it quite the same way, but I think commenter “Bill” has put his finger on one of the many things wrong with candidate Trump:

…I think the biggest problem, or at least the root problem that Trump has that disqualifies him for President is this: He treats people like crap.

I may be in a minority, but in my assessment of another human being I generally like to get an idea of how they treat others. I think it’s an important trait in a leader ”“ are they ruthless or do they exhibit any form of grace or appropriate gentleness, especially when dealing with people who are not enemies of the country.

Trump treats everyone who comes against him like garbage, whether they are in the way of his real-estate plans, or in the way of his presidency. Just treats ’em like crap. Some people see this as strength. I see it as a really, really bad character flaw and disqualifier.

Note that Bill doesn’t say Trump treats everyone like crap. And of course Trump does not. I have little doubt that he treats his current wife, his children, and many employees and supporters very well indeed. But Bill is correct that Trump “treats everyone who comes against him” like crap, garbage, vermin, people worthy of destruction who can be lied about with impunity and without a moment’s hesitation.

And no, this isn’t just politics for Trump; Trump’s been doing this his whole adult life, long before he got into politics. Politics does indeed generally feature insults and lies, but Trump is more consistent, blatant, mendacious, vicious, and global in his condemnations. He and many of his supporters don’t just justify it, they glory in it—in their eyes it seems to be a feature, not a bug.

Many of the people who say they cannot and will not vote for Trump, no matter who opposes him and what’s wrong with that person, cite his (to them) repulsive character as the problem. Not to put too fine a point on it, he makes them sick, on a very visceral level. This is a big, big problem for a candidate, and it’s not going away.

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More on the Brussels bombing

The New Neo Posted on March 28, 2016 by neoMarch 28, 2016

RIP, Justin and Stephanie Shults.

I also suggest you read this article about how the Belgian authorities treated captured Paris terrorist Abdeslan with kid gloves. Here’s an excerpt:

Astonishingly, officials did not question Abdeslam at all for his first 24 hours in custody. He spent Friday night in the hospital recovering from a leg wound sustained in the raid. When he was finally returned to the police on Saturday, he was questioned by authorities for a grand total of .”‰.”‰. two hours ”“ and then was not questioned again until after the attacks. Why? “He seemed very tired and he had been operated on the day before,” a senior Belgian security official told Politico.

He seemed tired? That’s precisely when they should be interrogating him. The CIA used sleep deprivation as one of its most effective interrogation tools. But for Belgians, a terrorist’s exhaustion is a reason to stop questioning, not intensify it.

But here is the most incredible part: During those two hours of questioning, The Post reports, “investigators did not ask .”‰.”‰. about his knowledge of future plots.”…

Investigators had found unused detonators and weapons in a safe house with his fingerprints. Did it occur to them to ask what he had intended to use them for? Apparently not.

Abdeslam’s questioning is a textbook example of why the law enforcement model for interrogating terrorists is a disaster.

Authorities found no “ticking time bomb” scenario there, that’s for sure.

The author goes on to explain that the interrogation used the old criminal law template of trying to build a case against the perp rather than to foil coming attacks. In addition, the article criticizes the fact that Belgian police announced to the world that he was cooperating.

At this point it’s not only that the jihadis who seem to be on a suicide mission. A fatally kinder, gentler, and stupider Europe seems to be on one as well—only that latter endeavor is pure suicide rather than suicide-murder.

Posted in Law, Terrorism and terrorists | 3 Replies

If you really want to beat Hillary Clinton…

The New Neo Posted on March 28, 2016 by neoMarch 28, 2016

…support Kasich, at least according to the national polls, which you may or may not believe or care about.

That poll result is one of the many very strange things that have emerged so far this campaign season. Another is that Sanders does better than Hillary Clinton against all the GOP candidates in similar national polls.

Posted in Election 2016 | 11 Replies

Happy Easter!

The New Neo Posted on March 27, 2016 by neoMarch 27, 2016

Enjoy:

Have a wonderful Easter!

Posted in Uncategorized | 16 Replies

Surrender, Dorothy!

The New Neo Posted on March 26, 2016 by neoMarch 26, 2016

I’ve been thinking.

It’s been a hard year. Actually, it’s been pretty hard ever since Tuesday, November 6, 2012, when I realized the American people had re-elected Barack Obama and that now he was free to really implement that “change” we’d all been so fervently “hoping” for.

The political change I’ve undergone and then described on this blog wasn’t just a change from liberal to right. It was a change in the depth of my interest in the entire topic of politics, and that of history as well. Earlier in my life I’d read the newspaper regularly and kept myself fairly well informed, on the surface. But I had no particular interest in politics, and although I realized that politics affected me somewhat, I didn’t think it was of the utmost importance.

And in fact, back then the two parties weren’t as far apart as I now see them being. It didn’t seem so important to pay close attention. And politics was icky, nasty, stupid; both parties seemed petty, and I didn’t see many public figures to emulate or deeply admire.

Little did I know that was a relative golden age.

One funny thing—not funny ha-ha; funny strange—is that, as time has gone on and conservatives have griped about how there’s no difference between the two parties, I saw a greater and greater difference. There’s a huge difference in what they stand for, and even in tactics. Yes, yes of course the GOP often doesn’t stick to what it says it will do, and even if it sticks to it the tactic isn’t always successful. And yes, it seems that the Democrats are more unified and more ruthless in getting what they want, but you know one of the main reasons it’s that way? Because their task is much easier: they’re going in the direction of more power for themselves, not less, which is something politicians tend to like. And they’re going in the direction of making promises to give people stuff, and that’s something humans tend to like.

Now that we’ve got that cleared up—the conservative task is far harder—let me just say that there’s one way in which the two parties have gotten more similar, and that’s in how their constituents think about politics. Impatience and extremes. For example, lately I’ve seen a lot of this sort of argument from people on the right: the republic is dead, and cannot be revived, so it’s best to choose a tyrant from our side who’ll ride roughshod over many of the principles in which we believe—oh, like the rule of law—so that we can get things done. The ends justify the means.

I get that point of view, but I don’t share it, and I think it’s a dangerous, fatalist surrender to what you profess to hate.

Posted in Me, myself, and I, Politics | 58 Replies

Election 2016: the front-runners voters don’t like

The New Neo Posted on March 26, 2016 by neoMarch 26, 2016

I cannot recall a campaign season even remotely like this one, where the majority of voters dislike both front-runners, as confirmed by a recent CBS News/New York Times poll:

Compared to frontrunners in previous presidential primary races, Trump and Clinton’s unfavorable ratings (57 percent and 52 percent respectively) are the highest in CBS News/New York Times Polls going back to 1984, when CBS began asking this question.

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Perhaps, not surprisingly, most Democrats have negative views of Trump and a majority of Republicans view Clinton unfavorably. But more than half of independents have unfavorable views of both candidates. Clinton is viewed more positively by members of her own party than Trump is by his. Six in 10 Democrats have a favorable opinion of Clinton; just about half of Republicans have a favorable opinion of Trump.

So the difference between Hillary Clinton’s unfavorable rating and that of Donald Trump is that she has a higher favorable rating among her own party members than Trump does among his. But there isn’t a single previous candidate since 1984 that is even close in unfavorable ratings to either of this year’s front-runners. The previous high was a paltry 41% unfavorable, shared by several candidates.

Hillary Clinton tends to beat Trump in nationwide polls. Of course, in the past, polls that were taken at this point in time in a campaign have not been predictive of very much. However, unlike in many years, the public is very familiar with both of these front-runners, which might mean that attitudes towards them are more entrenched. And it may be that the main reason that Hillary does better in head-to-head polls against Trump is because she draws more Democratic support than he draws Republican support.

Posted in Election 2016 | 15 Replies

DaTechGuy has a question

The New Neo Posted on March 26, 2016 by neoMarch 26, 2016

Why has one story gotten a lot of coverage and the other story very little?

I guess not all National Enquirer gossip is created equal.

I suggest it all be ignored until proven true. But I doubt most people will follow that suggestion.

It all reminds me of this LBJ story (apocryphal or not) that I’ve cited before:

…[L]egend has it that during one of Lyndon Johnson’s congressional campaigns he decided to spread a rumor that his opponent was a pig-fucker. LBJ’s campaign manager said, “Lyndon, you know he doesn’t do that!” Johnson replied, “I know. I just want to make him deny it.”

Posted in Men and women; marriage and divorce and sex, Press | 7 Replies

How incompetent were the Brussels authorities?

The New Neo Posted on March 26, 2016 by neoMarch 26, 2016

There are some rather large security holes through which the Belgium terrorists slipped. For example, as in many other recent European attacks, the perpetrators were “known wolves”:

All three of the suspects, each Belgian citizens, had been alerted to Belgian officials prior to the attacks and were on a U.S. counterterrorism watch list. Police agency Interpol issued a “red notice” for Najim Laachraoui, saying he was wanted for involvement in association with terrorism and the unauthorized engineering of explosives.

Ibrahim El Bakraoui had been detained in Turkey as a foreign terrorist fighter last June and deported back to Europe.Turkey says the Belgian authorities failed to confirm the suspect’s jihadist links and released him.

In addition, there seems to be an unusual degree of denial, fragmentation, and confusion in Belgium:

On February 29, EU security agencies called for an immediate overhaul of the security measures at Belgian airports and borders, which were “wide open” to access by terrorists and lacked the tools for inspecting passengers on arrival and departure. These inclue Brussels’ second airport in Charleroi, the terminus for charter flights to and from Algeria, Tunisia and Turkey.

Although the Belgian authorities were warned that Charleroi presented Isil terrorists with an open door from those countries into Europe, passengers passing through were still not subjected to searches…

Critics have argued that the nation’s fragmented law enforcement and political systems ”” divided in part because of power splits between the two main language groups, French and Flemish ”” have helped extremists and criminal gangs operate with near impunity. Greater Brussels, for instance, is divided into 19 communes and six separate police zones. Belgium’s 10 provinces are split into almost 600 municipal councils.

Posted in Terrorism and terrorists | 15 Replies

Is Trump America’s Berlusconi?

The New Neo Posted on March 25, 2016 by neoMarch 25, 2016

I’ve seen that analogy before. Here’s an analysis that describes why it might be so, and what the consequences would be.

Excerpt:

Berlusconi wrecked the idea of the political party as the expression of a collective will. Forza Italia, which translates roughly to “Let’s go, Italy!,” was just another channel for Berlusconi to push his own personal brand. Ninety percent of its deputies in 1994 had never held parliamentary office. That inexperience translated into a lack of political energy and policy creativity. Twenty years of Italy as a joke on the international stage starts there. Twenty years of legislation tailor-crafted to Berlusconi’s business and legal interests; of spats with the Italian judiciary; of hedonistic sideshows leaving the highest office in the land impotent while the economy sputtered. And it all started with the notion, now echoed in America by Trump, that experience in office is unimportant, even detrimental, and that the party exists merely to serve the leader. Meanwhile, Italy’s corruption continued unabated, and the economy languished. Berlusconismo left untouched the negative elements of Italian political life that had ushered him into office in the first place.

You might want to read the whole thing.

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Well, at least you can say that Obama’s consistent

The New Neo Posted on March 25, 2016 by neoMarch 25, 2016

Obama reacts as usual—courting our enemies while downplaying his reaction to terrorism:

Obama remains inert, unmoved, displaying a neglect and insouciance that borders on denial. His nonreaction to the Belgian massacre ”” his 34-minute speech in Havana devoted 51 seconds to Brussels ”” left the world as stunned as it was after the Paris massacre, when Obama did nothing. Worse, at his now notorious November news conference in Turkey, his only show of passion regarding Paris was to berate Islamophobes.

Posted in Obama, Terrorism and terrorists | 27 Replies

Trump’s women problem—and Cruz’s?

The New Neo Posted on March 25, 2016 by neoMarch 25, 2016

As time has gone on, Trump has become more and more unpopular with women voters, and that includes Republican women:

This month, about half (47 percent) of Republican female primary voters said they could not imagine themselves voting for Trump. (About 40 percent of male GOP primary voters said the same.)…

Trump’s favorability with women overall is a dismal 21 percent positive/ 70 (!) percent negative.

With men, it’s 28 percent positive/ 59 percent negative.

And while women traditionally vote for Democratic candidates in larger numbers than men, data shows that a Trump nomination would exacerbate the issue for Republicans.

Asked if they would prefer to see a Democratic president or a Republican president regardless of who the nominees are, 52 percent of female voters chose the Democratic option while 36 percent chose the Republican option. That’s a net advantage of 16 percentage points for the Democratic candidate.

But plug in the names “Hillary Clinton” and “Donald Trump” and the gap gets even wider.

In that hypothetical matchup, just 31 percent of women said they would chose Trump, while 58 percent said they would chose Clinton. That’s a net advantage of 27 points for Clinton.

I think this is unprecedented, although I have no proof. It’s certainly ominous for a Trump candidacy, and I don’t see it changing, except for the worse.

I’ve seen it said by a lot of blog commenters and bloggers that Trump is an alpha male, and as such he appeals to women. I’ve long been puzzled by this “alpha male” designation, because it seems to me that Trump has little in common with actual alpha males. They don’t boast and tell you how great they are and how much everyone likes them and how much money they make, or lie to make themselves sound bigger and better. Those are fake alpha males. No one who really is like that needs to brag about it.

Alpha male examples: the characters John Wayne played. Reagan. Washington. Eisenhower. Many in the military. That guy who was instrumental in stopping the French train terrorist attack recently, for example.

Fake alpha males: Charlie Sheen. Donald Trump. Most of the guys on those “I’ve got game” blogs (I forget the names of the blogs, but I’ve read a number of them on occasion).

I had written all of the above before I saw this article at American Thinker, which says essentially the same thing—including another thought I had recently (after Trump’s targeting of Heidi Cruz’s looks), which was that “Trump fights like a girl.”

Here’s the American Thinker article:

To elaborate, this tweet, and its implied message, smacks of thirteen-year-old girl cattiness. “Never talk to my boyfriend again, Suzy! He would hate you anyway, because you’re so ugly!”

Why then, to be perfectly clear, have I flipped my previous assessment of Trump’s character from thirteen-year-old boy to thirteen-year-old girl? Because thirteen-year-old boys don’t attack other boys by telling them their girlfriends are ugly. Even by that pubescent stage of development, a normal boy has learned, by hormonal intuition if not by the influence of a decent father figure, that getting at a rival by insulting his girl is just about the most unmanly thing a male of the species can do…

And how will Trump’s most boisterous supporters defend their hero’s girlish attack on Cruz’ wife? They will say, as they already are saying, “But he started it!”

That’s what I meant by calling Trump “juvenile.” And it boggles my mind that so many people seem to think this indicates strength on Trump’s part.

Now the Trump activists are touting this National Enquirer article about Ted Cruz’s supposed affairs. It won’t matter a bit to them if a shred of proof is never found ; the rumor is good enough. And it doesn’t matter a bit to them that Trump has had multiple affairs and bragged about them.

Now, I have no idea whether the Enquirer story is true or not. I tend to think not, simply because I think Cruz is too smart to run for president with that many skeletons rattling around in his closet. But as I said, I don’t know, but the point of running such a story—true or not—is to get the rumors flowing.

And it comes as no surprise whatsoever—none—to learn that the CEO of the Enquirer and Trump are great good friends and have been for quite some time (and note that the following was written back in October):

Trump and Enquirer CEO David Pecker have been friends for years. “They’re very close,” said a source close to the Enquirer…

…[Trump’s] friendship with Pecker has paid dividends. At key moments during the GOP primary the Enquirer has helped boost Trump’s campaign by attacking his rivals and fawning over him. Two weeks after Trump launched his campaign in mid-June, the Enquirer reported that Jeb Bush was “involved in the drug trade in Florida” in the ’80s and that, as governor, he was plagued by “sleazy cheating scandals ”¦ [with a] Playboy Bunny turned lawyer.” In September, the Enquirer published an unflattering photograph of Bush’s adult daughter apparently taking cigarette breaks at her office. The article hit just days after Jeb told Americans they needed to work longer hours.

Carly Fiorina has also been slimed. After the former Hewlett-Packard CEO bested Trump at the second GOP debate last month, the Enquirer ran an article headlined “Homewrecker Carly Fiorina Lied About Druggie Daughter.” The article attacked one of Fiorina’s best moments at the debate: her emotional account of her daughter’s struggle with drug addiction. “The National Enquirer has exclusively learned that Lori Ann Fiorina, who died in October 2009, was in fact Carly’s stepdaughter,” the tabloid reported. “She was brought up not by Carly but by her biological mom, Patricia Fiorina, whose marriage allegedly was wrecked by the 61-year-old White House hopeful who is determined to knock Donald Trump from his superior front-runner status!”…

Meanwhile, Trump has been exclusively celebrated in the Enquirer’s pages. As talk of a Trump candidacy heated up last winter, the tabloid published an article headlined “Trump’s the One!” that reported him leading in the polls. In September, the Enquirer published a three-part series by Trump himself under the headline “The Man Behind the Legend!”

About a month ago the Enquirer endorsed Trump enthusiastically and unequivocally, and rumor has it (see? I can play that game too) that Trump’s own dirt is strictly off-limits for the tabloid.

I’d like to add that this is the sort of thing I detest writing about. But this is the sort of thing we’ll be seeing more and more of this campaign season, I would wager.

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