The caravan moves on—and on
“Sadly, it looks like Mexico’s Police and Military are unable to stop the Caravan heading to the Southern Border of the United States. Criminals and unknown Middle Easterners are mixed in,” Trump said in one tweet.
“I have alerted Border Patrol and Military that this is a National Emergy (sic). Must change laws!”
Activists say the journey through of at least 3,000 kilometers (1,800 miles) through Mexico to the US border could take a month.
The timing is interesting. Our elections are only about two weeks from now, so the caravan should still be in transit at that point. Does the left—which helped organize the entire thing—think that’s good timing for them? In the tweet I quoted above, Trump seems to think the timing helps the GOP, at least potentially: “Must change laws!” Of course, Congress has been talking about that for decades without coming up with anything workable.
“We also are deeply concerned by the violence provoked by some members of the group, as well as the apparent political motivation of some organizers of the caravan,” Pompeo said in a statement.
Seems to me that this could cut either way. The caravan energizes the right, for obvious reasons—including the lawlessness and defiance and yes, the sense of entitlement expressed by many of the quoted caravaners in the news. But there are a lot of people on the left who feel it helps them, by playing on the sympathy of those who think the US needs to take everyone who tries to get here.
Of course, those who think the US needs to take everyone who tries to get here are probably already voting Democrat.
And speaking of mobs—are we allowed to use the word for caravan? A mob in transit?
These are just hard working people looking for a good job in the U.S. and freedom from gang violence (except for antifafa). That’s why they are flying the Honduran flag in Guatamala and Mexico. Also, Breitbart shows the sweethearts burning a U.S. flag after having painted a swastika on it. They are just demonstrating their willingness to assimilate into our great (once great?) country.
James Woods and Instapundit, both on Twitter, have questioned that this is a group of ~5,000 people who just casually decided one day to pack a lunch and walk the 2,000 from Tegucigalpa to Phoenix? How are they eating? Where are they sleeping? Where are they getting water? I.e., who’s funding them? Oh, wait. The journalists will delve deeply into this story and give us those details right? R-I-G-H-T!!
Also Univision has a story about undercover terrorists in the mix of the so-called caravan. If true, this lends credence to Trump’s claims.
on another conservative blog “aces” they are talking about napalming the caravan so the women and children will be to badly burned to enjoy the privilege of coming here to clean out our port a potties to feed their children.
Three things that would halt illegal immigration without building a wall; 1) enforce current employment laws limiting employment to citizens and legal foreigners, 2) limit all government benefits, including education, to citizens, and 3) remove the ‘born on our soil’ citizenship path.
I expect the caravan will get here earlier than predicted, it’s not like they are walking all the way, buses and trucks are helping them on their way. What we see on TV is unlikely to tell us much about what is really going on, it is scripted propaganda and part of the show. Think of it as a Hollywood production.
The problem is immigration reform, special and peculiar interests, and advocates and activists for this unsustainable solution. The right approach is emigration reform that is pro-native.
Id certainly call it a mob in transit. Oh, and Chuck: I dont think the caravan is going to be any earlier than planned.
RD – you are correct. Three simple, logical reforms. You wouldn’t even have to remove birthright citizenship completely – just require that the parents be either citizens or legal residents. The education problem goes back to 1982, when the Supreme Court wrongly decided Plyler v. Doe 457 U.S. 202 (1982), decided by a 5-4 vote. That’s probably the first decision that should be revisited after the Supremes get rid of affirmative action when the Harvard case comes up.
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This should be considered as an invasion directed by Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico. I am in favor of sending military force to the border. Repeal the invaders by all necessary means.
Earth to wammo: a lot of people left and right talk online about a lot of crazy things.
Why these poor people? Because they live on the same continent?
I could find 10,000 people in Liberia in a second, ready to board a plane if it meant they could become Americans. And they would embrace America. Central America can’t hold a candle to the level of poverty and harsh lives faced by those trapped in the fourth-world hell-hole that is Liberia. Liberian GDP per capita is $800, compared to Honduras at $2700 or Guatemala at $4400. In fact throw a dart at sub-Saharan Africa. Whatever country it hits will be poorer.
Why doesn’t our compassion extend beyond those that can walk here?
There are many sanctuary cities in the country, whose residents have been proclaiming their moral superiority by refusing to allow the federal government to arrest and deport illegal aliens.
Let’s get two birds with one stone.
It is well within the capacity of the USAF Air Transport Command to move thousands of people in a very short time. Detain the invaders at the border. Get a DNA sample, fingerprints and mug shots. Put them on transport aircraft. Fly them to the sanctuary cities. Put them on the tarmac. Leave. Get more. Return.
Show our humanity by avoiding the separation of families, and/or bloodshed, which was the sole political purpose of those who organized the caravan.
And let every preening moralist in the sanctuary city suffer the consequences of their sanctimonious preaching.
Good idea CapnRusty, but I would add build fences around those sanctuary cities and not allow the illegals to disperse at their leisure around the country.
I’m not an attorney and don’t know what could be done, but the financiers, organizers and leaders of this horde need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible. The Soros’s of the left and several open borders groups who are all pushing these invasions, need to be prosecuted. How? RICO?
RD:
I’m going to add another suggestion: a national ID. I have opposed that for many years, but I think it is an idea whose time has come. We have the capability to make a quality ID card with biometrics that cannot be counterfeited. Let us do so, and let us require it for everything: passport, voting, drivers license, employment, plane and train tickets, credit card, bank account — you get the idea: if you want to live, move and work in the USA you need a national ID card. The time has come. I know it will be abused, but its absence is being abused right now.
F,
On national identity cards: Please see the comment by Art Deco at
https://www.thenewneo.com/2018/10/20/when-fathers-discover-their-children-have-a-different-biological-father/#comment-2408978
“Also Univision has a story about undercover terrorists in the mix of the so-called caravan. If true, this lends credence to Trump’s claims.”
Tell it to Jorge Ramos.
Guatemala has found at least 100 ISIS members among the invaders.
It’s a mobile mob.
If it isn’t stopped short of our borders, it will motivate hundreds of thousands, maybe millions more to crash our borders and challenge our sovereignty. This is a pivotal event. I hope that President Trump and the DHS have a plan that can turn them back without violence. On the other hand, if violence is required, so be it. It is our sovereignty at stake.
This whole march is obviously a set up, a propaganda operation engineered by Leftists and probably bankrolled, if not originated and/or controlled by Soros.
Who do you think is the source for the money we have videos of organizers paying to people to get them to participate in this march–especially women with children–the Easter Bunny? Who is paying for the marcher’s health care costs, travel expenses, food, and lodging on a march of way more than a thousand miles?
This is all agitprop, designed—in the short term—to effect the upcoming mid-term elections and, in the longer term, to effect U.S. Immigration policy, President Trump, and his presidency.
Count on this “immigrant’s march” to generate a ton of anti-immigration enforcement propaganda, along with a ton of sob stories about the poor “immigrants” who will, no doubt, claim to be ”fleeing persecution,” and who “just want a better life for themselves and their children,” and all sorts of editorializing and opining in the MSM about how these illegal aliens somehow have the “right” to batter down our borders, occupy our land, and become citizens–with all the benefits that citizenship provides.
The march organizers are obviously hoping that the U.S. will just back down and let them enter our country, or for some sort of confrontation at the U.S. border—the more violent and bloodier the better—and, no doubt, whatever Trump does, he will be portrayed by the MSM as heartless and cruel.
I am hoping that Trump takes a hard line, that our border will be reinforced, and that marchers will be met at our border by the U.S. military, and turned back.
It seems to me that by allowing this march to form and, further, by taking steps to facilitate this “march”–in reality an invasion of the U.S.–to be launched from and to travel through these country’s territories, without stopping and dispersing these marchers, these three countries–Guatemala, Honduras, and Mexico–are in the process of helping to commit an act of war against the United States.
Hopefully all three of the countries involved in facilitating this propaganda march and not making any efforts, or just going through the motions of trying to stop it will find that, in response, the hundreds of millions of dollars in U. S. aid they receive annually will be terminated by President Trump.
Perhaps we should start rounding up people, and paying them money to march into i.e. to invade Mexico, Honduras, and Guatemala.
I wonder how these countries would react to such a “march,” how they would like it?
No, they don’t.
I would suggest checking to see if the premise, that the left helped organize the thing, is true. It reads like highly convenient propaganda, which is not to say it is, just that you should taste test this Kool Aid before drinking it.
Who? Name names. Quote them.
“mob in transit” is a tautology of sorts
Google dictionary:
MOB late 17th century: abbreviation of archaic mobile, short for Latin mobile vulgus ‘excitable crowd.’
MOBILE late 15th century: via French from Latin mobilis, from movere ‘to move.’ The noun dates from the 1940s
A Mob is a moving crowd, excitable or not.
Mobs want jobs –they say.
But there won’t be any if the Left succeeds in swamping the economy with illegals.
Brian E on October 22, 2018 at 7:06 pm at 7:06 pm said:
Why these poor people? Because they live on the same continent?
I could find 10,000 people in Liberia in a second, ready to board a plane if it meant they could become Americans. And they would embrace America.
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We have church friends who are also neighbors from Liberia: Mom, 2 children, their spouses and children (some born here).
We gave them money to fund immigration fees for other family, but they didn’t “pass” the test (whatever it was). Happy to do it, and would love to have more people like them in my country and home.
But they came here legally, above board, by the book, and are glad to be here and appreciate American culture and freedom. And they all are working.
Not quite the same as the Invasion of the Booty Snatchers.
(And some of them, I suppose, are good people. But some of them are NOT.
Francesca on October 22, 2018 at 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm said:
Guatemala has found at least 100 ISIS members among the invaders.
F on October 22, 2018 at 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm said:
RD:
I’m going to add another suggestion: a national ID. I have opposed that for many years, but I think it is an idea whose time has come. We have the capability to make a quality ID card with biometrics that cannot be counterfeited.
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Sweden is already on it.
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/22/658808705/thousands-of-swedes-are-inserting-microchips-under-their-skin?t=1540227144451
“a lot of people left and right talk online about a lot of crazy things.”
Yes. But a lot more people on the left are actually *doing* crazy things.
“I would suggest checking to see if the premise, that the left helped organize the thing, is true.”
Do you really think this is *not* organized?
Manju (aka NPC) says
Believe all progressives! Just Do It! When they want you to think they will tell you,
But why quote a leftist? Their words mean nothing, it’s power that counts.
See, this is weird: 3000 km in 30 days is 100 km/day or ~60 miles/day.
Even the toughest, most experienced infantry in history couldn’t force-march that for more than about two days running, but on the other hand it’s only a couple hours drive at most. So what’s going on?
My gut instinct was that the caravan could be bad for Republicans, if the press can manage to get some footage of a little kid crying, or something.
But Scott Adams thinks that the caravan is bad optics for the Democrats. It points out the lack of a wall at the border. He made an interesting point: as the numbers in the caravan grow, day by day, it is creating a “fear factor.” What if the number grows to 20,000? 50,000? Reminds me of Fantasia, where the Sorcerer’s Apprentice summons up powers he cannot control.
Maybe this is a little like the Kavanaugh inquisition. When it was just Ford (a “doctor” and “credible,” etc) it just might have worked. But by the time CPL Avenatti brought in his Gang-bang Groupie, it entered the realm of absurdity, and the thing fell apart from its own overreach.
soros got bombed tonight. a national id card would help democrats as they would make sure every democrat had one. democrats could no longer be stopped from voting with strict photo id laws and strict registration laws. conservative think tanks have looked into national id law it would add between 15 to 20 million new democrat voters who could not be stopped from voting.
How did Europeans address male, female, and child immigration reform forced by social justice adventures (i.e. elective wars, elective regime changes) in Africa and the Middle East, and the Leftist organized “trail of tears” across Turkey and the Mediterranean?
Immigration reform in lieu of emigration reform. Labor arbitrage for businesses and investors. Gerrymandered districts for Democratic votes used to disenfranchise Americans. Redistributive change for the socialists and monopolists. Compensation for the millions of lives deemed unworthy, Planned, and cannibalized under the Progressive-advocated selective-child (“wicked solution”), and sustained under a layer of privacy, no less.
FOAF, I’m sure it’s organized. But by whom? The Left…who think the timing’s good for them?
Or is it the Unknown Middle Easterners, like maybe MbS? After all, he’s one bad hombre. He lives on government handouts to boot. His economy is centrally controlled and come to think of it, that makes him a Leftist…just like Adolph Hitler!
It all makes sense now.
Manju, you’re right about Hitler. On the other hand, the Left is all in. I was listening to NPR yesterday and the reporterette was weepy and tearful about how brave the women were to bring their young children on this march to freedom and happiness, brave I tell you, BRAVE! AND WONDERFUL. She almost collapsed from joy to be able to walk and talk with these BRAVE women. I was waiting for the ghosts of Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks to make an appearance but they had to switch to a different sob story and never made it there.
There ought to be an Eleventh Commandment: “Thou shalt not use the goodness of another man — his disinclination to violence, his honesty, his trustfulness, his compassion — as a weapon against him.”
And then, there ought to be a Twelfth Commandment: “Thou shalt swiftly put to death he who knowingly violates the Eleventh Commandment.”
For it is solely the lack of weapons in the hands of this migratory mob which distinguishes them from an invading army. And if they were in fact armed, our response would be simple enough: Slay every adult with a weapon in his hand; capture the rest and put them in Guantanamo until they can be repatriated.
Why aren’t they armed?
Simple: Because by being unarmed, they are using our goodness as a weapon against us. We’re the good guys; we don’t shoot unarmed people. It is a power play under the guise of powerlessness. They violate our laws, brazenly, in full view of our police and armed forces, with impunity.
There has to be a way for “the good guys” to handle this kind of tactic.
How about some original thinking to disrupt the march.
Spray them with skunk oil from the air during the heat of day and again at night while they’re bivouacked. The skunks and the racoons used to have it out at night under my old garage. It could be a real challenge to get to my car some mornings because of the smell. Think about 5000 people covered in the stuff. Whew.
Have the US Treasury print up phony $100 bills and scatter them in front and behind the march. I’d bet the locals would join in the mass scramble too. Free money! Massive disorganization. Fist fights. Even The reporters wouldn’t be able to resist greed.
Drop ExLax, err, chocolate candy on the marchers. Within a couple of hours the demand for the porta potties would be very high. And the smell… “Madame, I can tell you’ve sampled both our fragrances today, which do you prefer?”
Take over the cell towers along the route and disrupt all communications. Send nonsense messages every few minutes.
Send over helicopters with massive loud speakers and broadcast Felice Navidad 24/7, especially at night so no one can sleep.
Other suggestions welcomed and should be forwarded to the appropriate government department.
conservative think tanks have looked into national id law it would add between 15 to 20 million new democrat voters who could not be stopped from voting.
Absolute nonsense but I assume that is why you are here.
I suspect that the only people left who would fall for the “fleeing persecution” cr@p and think that anyone who wants to live in the US, despite their inability to support themselves in a first-world economy, already votes Democrat.
“Or is it the Unknown Middle Easterners,”
Bwahaha. manju accuses us of drinking kool-aid but he’s drinking battery acid.
Migrant Caravan Goes Home As Trump Buys Honduras
President Trump sees Honduras as “a distressed property” that will become “the jewel of Latin America after it gets the Trump treatment,” according to a new brochure release by the White House to attract investment partners to the new property, tentatively dubbed Trump-Rico International. “The Trump Organization will create a luxury experience delivering a sense of style with unrivaled customer service — a real boutique nation for the discriminating resident or traveler.”
http://scrappleface.com/blog/2018/10/21/migrant-caravan-goes-home-as-trump-buys-honduras/
wammo on October 23, 2018 at 2:35 am at 2:35 am said:a national id card would help democrats as they would make sure every democrat had one. democrats could no longer be stopped from voting with strict photo id laws and strict registration laws
what planet are you on? we already have that
its called Real ID
made by markus wolf (creator of the East Germ Stasi)
and A Primikov (head of KGB)
was done years ago
tried to talk about it as its not trendy to be anticipatory but better to be reactionary
try to fly on a domestic flight witouth your INTERNAL PASSPORTS and see what happens!!!
duh, first you put the fence
then you add a fence after pigs return
then you add another
then another with a gate
when they return
slam it
you guys been completely ignoring the gates
telling the hogs with more experience to basically shut up, which we bascially did…
nothing you can do except bs while waiting you already lost decades ago
they just didnt act on it, so you could deny it, end neo deny it, till way too late and nothing can be denied, but onlu discussed – and soon not even allowed to be discussed
The Real ID Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109–13, 119 Stat. 302, enacted May 11, 2005, is an Act of Congress that modifies U.S. federal law pertaining to security, authentication, and issuance procedures standards for state driver’s licenses and identity documents, as well as various immigration issues pertaining to terrorism.
The Real ID Act implements the following:
Title II of the act establishes new federal standards for state-issued driver’s licenses and non-driver identification cards.
Changing visa limits for temporary workers, nurses, and Australian citizens.
Funding some reports and pilot projects related to border security.
Introducing rules covering “delivery bonds” (similar to bail, but for aliens who have been released pending hearings).
Updating and tightening the laws on application for asylum and deportation of aliens for terrorism.
Waiving laws that interfere with construction of physical barriers at the borders.
Where are these thousands doing their business?
Where are they getting food and water?
Who is funding the trucks I have seen being used for transport?
The funders of this mess need to be identified and made to stand for their crimes.
That is the crux of this.
Where are all “the families”? I mostly see military age males.
Here’s one organization that seems to be behind organizing this mobile mob – Pueblos Sin Fronteras.
Watch the video here: https://www.foxnews.com/world/caravan-participants-get-help-from-within-mexico-amid-efforts-to-disband-group-and-pressure-from-trump
> Hopefully all three of the countries involved in facilitating this propaganda march and not making any efforts, or just going through the motions of trying to stop it will find that, in response, the hundreds of millions of dollars in U. S. aid they receive annually will be terminated by President Trump.
My first reaction when I heard about this was, “Don’t they know who the President of the U.S. is?! Why would they provoke him like this?!” and then, of course, upon further reaction, this is exactly what they (really the people who organized and financed this farce) are trying to do. Trump is in a no-win situation with respect to the media. They’ll excoriate them no matter what he does. They’ve probably already written the stories. So what Trump needs to do, and what I hope and expect he will do, is stand firm. He can’t win over his enemies and he can’t afford to antagonize his supporters. If he brings some moderates into his camp, that’s gravy.
IMO, the caravan plays into Trump’s hands. Except for the “that’s not who we are” folks out there, I don’t think the caravan plays well to the silent majority. No different than 2016.
Via Geller:
Univision is reporting that Bangladeshis are joining the invasion cohort.
Every last one has to be a jihadi. Otherwise they couldn’t fund the transit.
No doubt the hope is that the Invaders will be let in, with a sigh of resignation, rather than make a scene. But we’ve seen that story before, and we know how it ends.
…
It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: —
“Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”
And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we’ve proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.
…
Thus far, it seems that President Trump understands this. Let us hope.
A little info on the horde headed towards the U.S. border.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2018/10/young-angry-men-gangbangers-march-towards-u-s-yelling-vamos-para-alla-trump/?
> rather than make a scene.
Cue a picture of Donald Trump with Bugs Bunny’s voice saying, “They don’t know me very well, do they?”
And in an environment where people like Lindsey Graham are coming down with a sudden (and long overdue) case of cojones giganticus, perhaps the President won’t be the only one to play hardball here and do what it takes to turn this force away from our borders.
In my earlier comment on this thread, I pointed to vidio evidence that organizers were paying cash to people to entice them to jion the marcher.
And I raised the issue of just who is paying for the needs–essentials like food, clothing, shelter, medical care, transportation–for what has grown to become close to 10,000 marchers, and I mentioned that this aid had to provide for the month plus it will take the marchers to march over 1,000 miles to reach our border.
Well, looking at various reports, it appears that the distance is not just somewhat over 1,000 miles but rather, it is actually 1,800 miles.
How much money do you expect it will take to provide for 10,000 marchers traveling over a month and for a maximum distance of 1,800 miles?
I’d say a ton of money.
So, who is paying for the march? Who is organizing and directing this march?
We need to find out.
Snow on Pine: Earlier today VP Pence said that the Honduran President told him the caravan was organized by leftist groups and financed by Venezuela. No definitive evidence yet.
Here’s a link to several links discussing that:
https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Venezuela+Financing+The+Caravan&qpvt=Venzuela+financing+the+caravan&FORM=EWRE
I report, you decide.
Real ID: description, map showing which states are in compliance and which have gotten extensions, update w/additional compliant states; where you must have Real ID card, etc.
https://www.dhs.gov/real-id
artfl — thanks for prompting me to look up Real ID.
J.J.–From what I gather Venezuela is virtually on death’s door, their inflation rate is close to 500,000%, they’ve had to devalue their currency, which is approaching becoming worthless, basic supplies like toilet paper, soap, and some basic foods are in very short supply, their economy is a wreck, they have few financial reserves left, there is increasing unrest in the streets, and a substantial portion of their population has already fled to other nearby countries.
Given all this, I can’t see Venezuela as a likely source for the funding for this march.
However, given his hatred for the U.S. and our form of government, and his efforts to destabilize democracies around the world, Soros seems a much more likely source for this funding.
John on October 23, 2018 at 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm said:
A little info on the horde headed towards the U.S. border.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2018/10/young-angry-men-gangbangers-march-towards-u-s-yelling-vamos-para-alla-trump/?
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Very interesting, and definitely not anything you will hear / see on the MSM.
“Guatemala is overwhelmed with the sudden onslaught and immigration officials confirmed 1,700 migrants have been returned to Honduras on buses. The first wave of migrants totaled about 4,000, according to Guatemalan government sources, followed by a second, less organized group of about 2,000. The impoverished Central American nation needs help, including logistical, communications and civil affairs support to stop the human caravans. “There are only so many resources we can dedicate to this,” said Guatemalan Secretary of Strategic Intelligence Mario Duarte. Guatemalans are getting robbed and crimes are being committed by the people in the caravans, Duarte said.”
I hope Mr. Trump’s plans include some of this kind of aid.
Threatening to stop their regular allowance seems to be having some effect.
“All of the migrants interviewed by Judicial Watch repeated the same rehearsed line when asked who organized the caravan, insisting it was a spontaneous event even though there were clearly organizers shouting instructions in Spanish and putting select persons in front of cameras for interviews.”
Kind of like those spontaneous mobs that just happen to gather at conservative events and start trashing things.
“Besides gang members and mobs of young angry men, the Central American caravan making its way into the United States also consists of Africans, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans and Indians. Judicial Watch is covering the crisis from the Guatemalan-Honduran border this week and observed that the popular mainstream media narrative of desperate migrants—many of them women and children—seeking a better life is hardly accurate. … includes a multitude of Special Interest Aliens (SIA) from the countries listed above as well as other criminal elements and gang members.
There are also large groups of men, some with criminal histories, aggressively demanding that the U.S. take them in. ”
What were the non-South-Americans doing there in the first place, and why are they coming north? None of that sounds like the kind of “immigration” we should accept.
M Williams on October 23, 2018 at 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm said:
IMO, the caravan plays into Trump’s hands. Except for the “that’s not who we are” folks out there, I don’t think the caravan plays well to the silent majority. No different than 2016.
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https://pjmedia.com//the-caravan-means-the-wall-will-be-built/
BY ROGER L SIMON OCTOBER 22, 2018
“If the caravan of thousands of prospective illegal aliens marching for our Southern border like an invading army has succeeded in one thing, it is that the wall finally will be built.
You can book it. People are fed up. And they damn well should be. If it gets any worse — and it could — we might see an army of of our own citizen volunteers heading down to the border themselves to build it.
Talk about unintended consequences. Try that one on your piano, George Soros or whatever assembled reactionary leftwing creeps instigated this escapade.
And let’s not forget Univision’s professional prevaricator Jorge Ramos, who insists most of these “caravanserai” are legitimate “asylum seekers,” as if there were some kind of genocide going on in Honduras as in Pol Pot’s Cambodia. Yet somehow these same “refugees” are waving the flags of the very countries they are supposedly fleeing while burning ours, the very place they seek succor. Go figure.”
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Americans (MAGA-style) will overlook a lot of insults; they don’t tolerate ingratitude.
RD said:
The only way you can imagine these suggestions can work is if you just don’t know the enormity of the criminal conspiracy that abets illegal immigration and how it reaches to the top levels of government. Under Obama that included the President his cabinet and political appointees. I don’t believe that’s true under Trump, but it does reach the highest level of the career bureaucrats, or “deep state,” if you will:
“Three things that would halt illegal immigration without building a wall; 1) enforce current employment laws limiting employment to citizens and legal foreigners,”
The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 is really the package of employment laws that you have been told limits employment to citizens and legal resident aliens. You have been lied to. In fact, the IRCA ties the employers hands. It states that the employer MUST accept any combination of documents that meet the legal requirements to prove identity and eligibility to legally accept employment in this country as long as they appear to be genuine. Given that they are generally blank state ID/Driver’s licenses and blank SSN cards sold by corrupt government employees they always appear genuine. For instance, generally the illegal commits partial identity theft, using their own name but either a valid or invented SSN. I say invented, but if appears valid it’s nearly certain that if it hasn’t already been issued it will be. And that means the day it is issued to an infant US citizen, that infant will be born into credit card debt, federal, state, and possibly local tax debt, and a criminal record.
Not matter how much I suspect that the individual is committing perjury when they sign the I9 form and are committing document fraud when submitting the bogus supporting instruments I can’t ask for more or different documents or I can and will be accused of racial or national origin discrimination and sued. Groups like MALDEF, La Raza, and the Obama justice department salivate at the thought of the opportunity to sue employers who are “overzealous.” In fact, when Holder used to say on TV that the Obama administration was vigorously enforcing immigration law I just presumed he was referring to employers who didn’t want to employ illegal aliens and weren’t aware that the IRCA essentially requires them to employ illegal aliens.
Also the IRS and Social Security Administration (SSA) aid and abet perjury and document fraud. When an individual signs an I9 form under penalty of perjury that they can legally work in the US when they can’t that’s a five year felony per the treasury code. When they present forged documents that’s document fraud, another five year felony. The illegal then does not file taxes. Why would he? The IRS goes after the American citizen/legal resident whose name and SSN match to collect the money. They have the I9 form; they know who isn’t paying taxes, and it isn’t the party they’re trying to collect from. They don’t care; they want the money. When you figure out you have been a victim of identity theft they will not reveal the individual’s name. They have it; they won’t tell, and insultingly they well say it’s because of taxpayer privacy laws.
Occasionally the SSA will send a no match letter to an employer when they realize the illegal’s name doesn’t match the SSN they are using. I’ve never gotten one myself but I’ve seen such letters that were sent to other business owners. It first tells you everything you can’t do, which is quite a bit. You can’t fire the employee and you can not draw any conclusions from the fact the name and SSN doesn’t match. The letter tells you that you can only refer to your file copy of the SS card the employee gave you when you employed them and see if you made some sort of mistake (invariably the employer did not) and if the SSN you have on file matches the SSN in the letter all you are allowed to do is give the employee a copy of the letter and ask him or her to resolve the situation. It’s like playing catch-and-release down on the border but with even worse odds. A percentage of illegals will show up for their immigration hearings; less than 2%. On the other hand 0% will resolve the situation once they’ve been caught. 100% will collect their final pay check and continue their crime spree by simply getting another job.
I have to hand it to the leftists; they’ve set up an almost perfect con. They can constantly point to “greedy employers” who want to pay illegals less. First of all, I don’t see how I can pay illegals less when I have to treat everyone with genuine-appearing but fraudulent documents as if they’re legal or risk being sued as a racist and a bigot, including putting them on the payroll and making all the payroll deductions. In fact, the deck is stacked against the employer by other forces that enthusiastically support illegal aliens. The anti-American open-borders leftists (and some country club Republicans, who are definitely not on the right, however), the federal bureaucracy that aids and abets illegal alien crimes, the media which is clearly pro-illegal alien (just look at how they’re lying on behalf of the illegal alien violent mob heading for our border), anti-American pro-illegal alien advocates such as MALDEF and LA RAZA, and the illegal aliens themselves.
In what universe, RD, do you imagine I as an employer am supposed to be the front-line of defense against illegal aliens? The fact that it’s rigged that way should clue you in that the people rigged the system have set up employers as scapegoats. Why do you fall for it?
2) limit all government benefits, including education, to citizens, and
Add to the powerful forces aiding and abetting illegal immigration the judiciary.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/09/11/texas.border.schools/index.html
“Texas school district turns away students from Mexico”
The superintendent of a school district on the Texas/Mexico border began turning away students because they don’t live in the district. They don’t even live in the country. And only a few of the children crossing the border to attend school at US taxpayer expense were even US citizens. Why do you imagine this was a headline? Who do you imagine created the situation? I can tell in a few short words; U.S. Supreme Court.
As Justice Brennan, who wrote the majority opinion in the Plyler v. Doe case wrote, “If the State is to deny a discrete group of innocent children the free public education that it offers to other children residing within its borders, that denial must be justified by a showing that it furthers some substantial state interest. No such showing was made here,” “imposing special disabilities upon groups disfavored by virtue of circumstances beyond their control [and which] suggests the kind of ‘class or caste’ treatment that the Fourteenth Amendment was designed to abolish.” At the time Texas only wanted illegal aliens to pay tuition if they wanted to send their kids to public schools as they definitely weren’t and aren’t paying property taxes. The SCOTUS said that argument was “nothing more than an assertion that illegal entry, without more, prevents a person from becoming a resident for purposes of enrolling his children in the public schools.”
In 1994 the voters of California (Yes, a once conservative state ruined by leftist billionaires, mass illegal alien entry, and lawyers and judges) passed proposition 187 which limited all state benefits including education to US citizens. A federal district judge eviscerated the proposition, relying on the Plyer decision. Essentially ruling that the 14th amendment prohibits states from treating illegal aliens differently than citizens. So, while I agree with it (I voted for proposition 187) good luck with that.
3) remove the ‘born on our soil’ citizenship path.
Again, good luck with that. Antonin Scalia, as conservative as he was, supported birth-right citizenship.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/09/supreme-court-justice-scalia-believes-natural-born-citizenship-is-jus-soli/
You may not believe this is the most reliable of web sites, and in truth I have no clue, but it contains a transcript of questioning during a case before the SCOTUS. There are two types of citizenship; jus soli (soil of one’s birth) and jus sanguinis (blood, or parentage, of one’s birth).
We need to have a convention of the states and amend the Constitution if we’re going to get rid of anchor babies.
R.C. on October 23, 2018 at 9:00 am at 9:00 am said:
There ought to be an Eleventh Commandment: “Thou shalt not use the goodness of another man — his disinclination to violence, his honesty, his trustfulness, his compassion — as a weapon against him.”
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This is always the way of evil, and is simultaneously the cause of its success and its downfall. Once they dispose of the good men who will not fight against them using their own evil methods, they must then deal with the bad men who are quite happy to mow them down. (implementing your 12th commandment)
As Mark Steyn’s maxim puts it: If the political culture forbids respectable politicians from raising certain issues, then the electorate will turn to unrespectable ones.
At the extreme, if you drive all the reasonable people out of the political space, you will have to deal with the unreasonable ones.
Capn Rusty on October 23, 2018 at 1:41 am at 1:41 am said:
My gut instinct was that the caravan could be bad for Republicans, if the press can manage to get some footage of a little kid crying, or something.
But Scott Adams thinks that the caravan is bad optics for the Democrats. It points out the lack of a wall at the border. He made an interesting point: as the numbers in the caravan grow, day by day, it is creating a “fear factor.”
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The optics will be used in every way against Trump, no matter how benign.
And if they can’t finesse the Border guards or military into actually firing into the crowd, they will counterfeit it.
Steve 57— The Constituiton provides (Article I, Section 8):
“The Congress shall have Power. . .
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization. . .”
Congress could pass a law stating that birth citizenship was only granted to the children of noncitizens in this country as lawful permanent residents (green card holders). I don’t think the Supreme Court — certainly not this Supreme Court — would hold that unconstitutional.
To get some idea of the extent of Soros’ efforts to bring about “fundamental transformation” here in the U.S., take a look at this extensive analysis and list of front organizations at Discover the Networks
See https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/george-soros/