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  1. It’s a fool’s bet to assume Trump doesn’t know what he’s doing or who the Iranian leaders are or what their strategy is.

    However it is a complicated situation with a lot of moving parts. I would argue the next phase is trickier, now that we will be moving into dual-use targets, not just military, which can do considerable damage to Iranian resources for post-war life in Iran. It’s not WW II. For instance, we would much prefer not to destroy Iran’s oil production.

    Plus there are now other countries getting involved, for better and worse, such as the Gulf states, whom we don’t wish to alienate too much. Now they are concerned about Iranian missile attacks on their oil production.

    That said, I will be disappointed if we don’t see some resolution this week — mostly likely the resuming of military operations.

  2. On the one hand — as objects of understanding for our leaders — we have the long regnant Shia supremicism coupled to their “revolutionary” political zeal, theologically driven once, yes, where perhaps now outweighed by motions of internal power politics. These, I believe, can be reasonably well characterized (and are, for the most part).

    On the other hand — again as potential objects of understanding — we have the very dark machinations of the aforementioned power politics itself, with uncertainties pertaining to who is active (i.e., not incapacitated, injured, or dead); what governing functions such actors hold; what decisions they can make or not make; what do they control (for now); how these remaining political actors vie or contest with one another to retain or to seize these powers, and etc. Such things, such relationships, may be extremely difficult to pinpoint on our goverments’ part where these self-same relations may be unknown even to those IRI political actors themselves as their situations shift beneath their own feet. So this arena, I believe, may not be so well understood by our leaders, and no wonder at that.

    Still, I’m not in much doubt that every effort feasible is undertaken to reach a clearer understanding of these uncertainties about the Iranians on the part of or on behalf of our own decision-making officials.

  3. I think the answer to the IRGC is to maintain the blockage. Yes, Iranians will (continue to) suffer, but so it goes.

  4. I just saw that also, Kate. Since there’s no mention of the U235, just the Strait, I take it as Iran got exactly what they wanted, and this whole adventure has been a complete waste. Well played, IRGC. They made fools of the US again, and will live on to build or buy a nuke later. Can kicked down the road.

  5. I hope a line on the ege of
    the Iranian shore was made because they will not abide by any agreement for long is my guess.

  6. If a deal on Hormuz is reached, I want to see the terms, particularly what Iran gets.

    Would a separate deal on Hormuz be such a bad thing?

    I don’t believe Trump will bend on the Iranian nuclear program and the enriched uranium.

  7. I don’t see how you can say it’s a complete waste without even seeing the details, physicsguy. For those who wanted the action to result in regime change, this will be a big disappointment. As I understand it, the U235 is buried under rubble and efforts to get it and use it are going to be very visible to surveillance. At least 70% of Iran’s military might has been destroyed. Its ability to finance terror proxies is severely degraded. We now see a re-ordered Middle East.

    We should at least wait until we see what this “deal” contains before despairing.

  8. I do sympathize with the feeling that we should have just blasted Iran back to the stone age, as Trump once said. I don’t know if that was the best option, all things considered. And, we don’t know what ongoing efforts, possibly undercover, Israel will make to bring down the remaining regime.

  9. I added this UPDATE:

    Legal Insurrection has posted this message entitled “BREAKING: Trump Says Iran Deal Near, Hormuz to Reopen.” As I read it, there are two points. The first is that nothing has been settled, and it may indeed be that, like so many other supposed agreements, this one won’t be finalized. The second is that it seems to involve opening the Strait of Hormuz but nothing else has been specifically mentioned. The supposed agreement could include more, but that’s not at all clear. Trump lists a bunch of countries involved in the negotiations.

    This makes me very very nervous. I am trying to be patient and ignore rumors – rumors of a type we’ve heard before, which include the idea that Trump is giving the Iranians all sorts of concessions. But we just don’t know, and we don’t even know if this deal is really going to go through or not. It’s very nerve-wracking.

  10. Kate,
    True, details are lacking. But the actions of the last 7 weeks have shown me to be highly skeptical of this whole “negotiation” process.

  11. I also wonder to whom Trump is mainly listening and who he’s trusting (if anyone): Witcoff? Rubio? Vance? The Saudis? And is Trump’s ego calling to him, saying he’s the big dealmaker and should be able to accomplish this? I haven’t a clue, but as I said, it’s very nerve-wracking. Rumors are flying, and most of them are not describing something that sounds good. But they are rumors.

  12. Heh, if there were rumors flying around making Trump look a brilliant genius, we’d all know we’ve crossed over into bizarro-backwards-land.

    As it is (more of the same Obamabros’ op-style JCPOA buggery) I think we can wait for substance over thrills and spills of the moment. “Op” being the keyword when it comes to “reporting”.

  13. I think Trump misunderestimated the 12 ers, bitt off more than he could chew and is now choking on it. Rubio is just trying to make the best of a bad situation.
    If he gets the straits open bfd ,straits were opened when this started. At this point we don’t know what is happening with the uranium . The nuclear program is delayed not ended. If the 12ers wanted to they could put a dirty bomb on Temple Mount or Demona so why haven’t they? We are dealing with Persians here ,not a bunch of Arab goat humpers. Persia has been at this for thousands of years . This will not end well.

  14. The 96 Hour Rule doesn’t apply to The Twelvers. Is it 96 Day Rule? I don’t know.

    I do know that BHO’s brain trust isn’t in charge so there is hope.

    I am not going to light what’s left of my hair on fire.

    Pray and try to remain calm.

    And our isolationist pays homage to the Persians, while spewing about the Arabs. But at least he forgot to crap on Israel. The Straits of Hormuz and world oil prices are not a consideration to our isolationist economist?

    Stupid on stilts doubles down.

  15. This has never been just Trump vs the Mullahs/IRGC. We have to consider the possibility that we’ve gone as far as the Gulf states are willing to go. Without their support (or acquiescence) we can’t sustain combat operations. Regime change was never one of POTUS’s demands. Our failure to ensure safe passage for international shipping meant it was only a matter of time before something had to give. Leadership requires tough choices. The Islamic Republic of Iran’s war on US will likely continue with degraded capabilities and the realization that we know a lot more than we did about their leadership’s pattern of life. I would have preferred that more IRGC/Basij had been dealt with but perhaps something else is in work for that problem. The Abraham Accords made the operation possible.They just may not have allowed our preferred outcome.

  16. Initially, I thought Trump was channeling his inner Sherman, and I was happy. Now he looks much more Iike McClellan.

  17. I tend to agree with crasey @6:46.

    Plus, if we want to win the midterms, we must have gas prices back down. If we lose the midterms, the results for our country could be disastrous. America First, remember? If the mullahs and the IRGC survive and pull something, we can obliterate them in January.

  18. A cascade of gunshots were heard outside the White House on the Penn. Ave side, causing reporters delivering reports from there to dive for cover, and lockdowns into effect indoors. The scene is crawling with Secret Servicemen, police vehicles and ambulances. No idea what went down, but it can hardly be good.

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