Pretti had an altercation with federal agents 11 days prior to his fatal encounter
And it’s on video:
You might notice some people in the comments saying of course it’s fake. If you don’t like the contents of a video, that’s a common thing to say these days. However, this one is apparently real; Pretti’s parents have said it’s him, and that they already knew about the incident before the video became public. It’s apparently also been authenticated by the BBC, for what that’s worth.
Commenters on the left also seem to think the video shows the brutality of law enforcement. Whereas the rest of us think it shows what an angry aggressive guy Pretti actually was, not the gentle ICU nurse of lore, at least not in these confrontations. He not only yells the F-word over and over with great animus, kicks out the taillight of the car (is it ICE’s or some other law enforcement group’s?), but right before that he appears to spit at the driver. He does all of this (as shown in a video I saw that analyzed the content in slow-motion) while carrying his gun in the waistband area.
He’s guilty of a number of probable misdemeanors and felonies involving damaging the car and spitting at the cop (the saliva doesn’t have to make contact). Supposedly Pretti’s rib was broken in the encounter. If only he’d been arrested, he’d probably be alive today. One thing he did not seem to learn from his experience was to not touch cops; in the fatal encounter he apparently pushed the agent who had pushed a woman who was blocking the way.
You will notice the crowd of people, part of what ICE has to deal with constantly in Minneapolis, as well as the honking of horns and the blowing of the loud whistles. It’s designed to annoy and impede the authorities, and it does. I’ve also read that the whistles could be criminal – impeding – but I’m not sure that’s correct. At any rate, during the fatal encounter I’m convinced the purposeful noise pollution contributed to the confusion among the agents about the removal of Pretti’s gun.
One thing this video doesn’t affect is whether the agents who shot him in the later incident were acting justifiably. Depending on one’s interpretation of that later video, it’s very possible they were acting justifiably because they thought he was armed and had gotten off a shot (instead of the gun misfiring in the agent’s hands). The previous video shows Pretti’s possible state of mind, but that’s actually not especially relevant in the evaluation of the reasonableness of the shooting. It’s the perceptions of the shooters that matter, based on what they saw and heard.
Dealing with a lot of people who were probably not subject to corporal punishment as a kid, unlike almost every generation before them.
When the history of our civilization is written, one of the great downward turning points – that took a while to fully bear fruit – was the widespread elimination of good , old fashioned trips to the proverbial wood shed.
These videos, or at least uncovering of Pretti’s rioter/protestor history, puts into context that *Pretti was no angel (he was acting like any other deranged, douchey anti-ICE rioter at that time), but it still doesn’t erase the legit suspicion that his shooting may or not have been justified. I don’t want to give him sainthood like The Left nor do I want to dig up past behavior to stronghold the argument of “See! He was an agitator! He had it coming!” (i.e. Officer Tatum).
*Why does MSM and social media constantly remind us he was a nurse? Perhaps because nurses, for whatever reason, are one of the professions in the States that are quick to protest anything or seek attention (i.e. COVID). Well, white/black American nurses that is. Asian/Filipino nurses, though vote Dems, aren’t liberal dumb like Pretti. Filipino nurses tend to be all business.
The story coming from the Left is that ICE is harassing normal people at random. Pretti is not a normal guy harassed at random, but a guy who sought out confrontations with ICE while he was armed and they were trying to do their jobs. Had he done this many times, something bad was pretty well guaranteed to happen, which the Left knows and counts on, they just lie about it.
We here already knew that of course, and that these people act as an organized group and pretend just to be normal people who are justifiably outraged by ICE.
But this group was not got together in a day the second that ICE stepped up its presence in Minneapolis, and somebody is paying for their resources.
I agree it doesn’t change the evaluation of the circumstances of his death. What i do enjoy is the rejection of his canonization as a saint and martyr due his being an “innocent and caring person” who was gunned down without provocation.
Mengele was a doctor. Che was a doctor. Mao was a poet.
There was a VCU nurse last week who posted on TikToc urging fellow nurses to murder ICE/CBP personnel.
I don’t give a flying “f” if such of the “caring” profession never work again. They don’t have a license to murder people that disagree with their pure and lofty motives. Unless of course their future lifetime employment is making gravel.
The left and the media think you are stupid and evil.
“The left and the media think you are stupid and evil”
Talk about projection …
And of course who can forget the “dancing nurses” of the COVID police state era?
Can’t be trusted to empty a bed pan.
Renee Good was also a member of one of these Signal chats. She and her partner went out to interfere with federal law enforcement deliberately.
A hotair Headline today. Worth reading:
https://shipwreckedcrew.substack.com/p/the-law-on-excessive-use-of-force
Re Pretti’s reported broken rib … how does one go into a guaranteed fight, at the least a shoving match, just 11 days later? Personal experience advises otherwise. It makes me wonder if he was on some kind of substance to “assist” with the rage and bad judgment. Is there any word on a tox screen or whatnot on him?
I think it will be a stretch to term Pretti’s shooting ‘not justified’ given all of the circumstances.
I see now that analysts(?) say he may have been holding a phone, and not a gun. I have heard that refrain before.
So much we don’t know as of yet, but if it were his gun that misfired while in an Agent’s hands, as reported, that kind of ruins the phone narrative.
I have felt over the years that cop’s are too quick to shoot rather than use less lethal tactics these days, on the other hand with so many cops ambushed, and the circumstances that ICE is operating under; I have adjusted my judgement on what constitutes overreaction.
I have said before that I hope that the Feds don’t throw the agents to the same wolves that destroyed Chauvin. Well, it appears that
they will not give any one up to the Minnesota political mob; and I hope that they will stand firm behind their men–or women.
It is hard to say that anyone deserved to die violently; on the other hand it is not too hard to say that an individual deliberately created the circumstances that led to death. And to feel minimal remorse.
PS From observation within my own family, I would say that the caring professions may suffer from TDS more than many others. They don’t see it in those terms, of course.
What 37 year old man behaves like that? I mean, 21 or 22, yeah, but 37?
That encounter with the spitting & headlight breaking shows me a man with severe anger management issues. I mean, that’s not even rational behavior for a man in a fight. It’s just pointless lashing out, like what a pissed off teenage boy would do.
My guess — if his family & co-workers could speak honestly without repercussions they’d say “yeah, he had anger management issues”.
Just think – there are 80,000,000 other Democrats in the country to take his place
Re the Whistles, Andrew Branca talked about this. Whistles are explicitly allowed at protests by Supreme Court precendent, however there is also case law that using whistles can constitute assault if they are loud enough. So its probably a bit of a grey area and depends on how the whisltes are deployed (i.e. how loud, how close to the agents etc). A commentor raised the comparison to shining lasers in the eyes of people, but Branca noted lasers can cause permanent damage to eyes whereas whistles are very unlikely to cause permanent hearing damage – therefore don’t rise to the level of causing bodily harm.
Can we start defunding the left and their ability to create these incidents?
“One thing this video doesn’t affect is whether the agents who shot him in the later incident were acting justifiably.”
This genuflecting and patting yourself on the back is unnecessary. Why don’t you just state the truth? Pretti was an aggressive, armed extremist who endangered the officers. He provoked his shooting and deserves what he got.
I don’t think the canonization of Good & Pretti is going to work. They aren’t black and we’re not partying like it’s 2020 anymore.
Here’s an educational graphic comparing the Kent State shootings to those of Good & Pretti.
–“History’s Echo: Why Protests Can Backfire”
https://x.com/morgancap/status/2015740163532677368
It notes that Kent State ignited a backlash against student protests, and helped elect Nixon by a landslide in 1972.
Similarly, the shootings of G&P will likely alienate the working class and lead to another awakening of the Silent Majority.
Huxley, as I’ve said before, I hope you and The Donald are correct.
The difference is while much of the media was anti-Vietnam war by that time, it was also anti-hippie. They also didn’t have social media, which immediately creates a narrative and a press that is completely bought into the same narrative.
Pretti and his comrades’ behavior is unacceptable. In a better country they would have been dealt with severely; however, karma is a bitch, and it wasn’t pretty!
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It has been reported that Pretti received medication for his broken rib.
What kind of shoes or boots was Pretti wearing that enabled him to completely smash out a taillight? Weighted? Steel-toed? Something useful to wear when peacefully resisting arrest?
Ana Navarro went all in in praising Pretti, lauding him—nay, almost canonizing him, as “the perfect guy.”*
* See https://news.meaww.com/ana-navarro-praises-alex-pretti-calls-him-a-man-youd-want-to-date-your-daughter
What the hell is it with all of these psycho “health care professionals” who are showing upon the Internet, and advocating—in a very in your face way—not treating ICE personnel, or saying that people should use their medical expertise and access to drugs to inject then with paralyzing drugs, or to lure them on a date and poison them, to put harmful substances in their food, or wishing a painful and crippling birth injury on the President’s White House spokeswoman, etc, etc.
Are there a whole boatload of these dangerous nutjobs–hiding in plain sight in our medical system—and just waiting for the right trigger for them to reveal themselves, and to advocate, or to do all shorts of harmful things to their perceived enemies—studied neglect, the wrong drug or dose given, a slip of the knife?
Have such acts against patients who do not share their ideology already been happening, but were charged of to just happenstance, or to bad luck?
The Left cares not one whit about facts, Pretti is headed to sainthood.
Does anyone here remember Joe Hill?
“What the hell is it with all of these psycho “health care professionals” who are showing upon the Internet, and advocating—in a very in your face way—not treating ICE personnel”
There were healthcare workers who said the same things about Israelis not too long ago.
I agree that we have to stop equating someone being a doctor, nurse, or healthcare worker with being an amazing, selfless, pure-hearted person whose motives we should never question. This kept happening during the COVID-19 pandemic and it was just as annoying then. As mentioned above, Mengele was a doctor. Che was a doctor. Guess who else is a doctor? Bashar al-Assad. LOL.
Snow on Pine, re health care.
I think that’s a real concern.
I’m very polite, proper and “gray.” I’m thinking about more precautions.
We here in the U.S. have gone from having an almost unique “high trust” society to one which is devolving into the far more common “low trust” society, which is found all over the world, as–one by one–major institutions show themselves to be corrupt, politicized, ideologically, not scientifically or morally driven, and self-serving.
COVID did a bang up job of eroding the authoritative aura of honesty, objectivity, and expertise surrounding a lot of the high level scientific/medical community.
Now, come these these psycho “health care professionals,” which make us start to doubt the objectivity, the mental health, and the extent of real devotion to their patients held by some percentage of ground level medical personnel.
The problem is the vast, vast majority of physicians in the country are far left wing and hate and mistreat anyone they consider a dirt person.
Just look at the New England Journal of Medicine which now routinely publishes articles emphasizing Democrat talking points. This month, you have an article bashing RFK Jr and the FDA for allowing states to “restrict access to necessary vaccines”. There’s another article that was likely rushed to press in light of the Good shooting titled “Mental Health Outcomes in Children After Parental Firearm Injury”.
Last month, it was even more of a propaganda rag. The lead article was a direct attack on Trump and RFK concerning the autism debate, namely that they are dead wrong about everything and that autism isn’t even a problem in this country. The next article was a full-throated defense of abortion and expose about how republicans are restricting or banning contraceptives. Then you had an article that was essentially a celebration of Obama and the doctors that helped him craft Obamacare.
Every month there will be one or two articles on how medicine is being affected by climate change as well as the mental health epidemic among the college educated living under Trump.
I have been following the case of the Malinda Cook, the nut job who got on TikTok to advocate poisoning ICE agents. Apparently she was fired from her job as a nurse at the Virginia Commonwealth University health system. I do not doubt that some leftist medical organization will hire her. All we can do is publicize the company so people can avoid them.
On a similar vein, the violent lunatic Alex Pretti worked for the Minneapolis VA Medical Center. The service members who get medical care there do not have a choice. We can hope that the Trump administration investigates the place and finds out why they would hire this nut job.
High trust vs. low trust. A little thought experiment.
Say, sometime during the decades immediately following the end of WWII–a simpler time–your car breaks down in the countryside, and you see a couple of fairly beat up houses nearby. Do you think it is safe to walk up and knock on a door, and can you expect help?
If, back then, you leave your car by the road side, and aren’t able to pick it up for several days, will it still be there, and not stripped, when you come to retrieve it?
Now play that same scenario today.
Do you feel safe walking up to someone’s door and knocking. Can you have a good chance of getting help from a stranger? A week later, will your car still be there, and intact?
I think that, over these last several decades, a lot of what used to be almost automatic (and perhaps naive) trust has eroded.
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It needs to become common knowledge that the purpose of the whistles and noisemakers is to set law enforcement on edge; to make an angry and propaganda worthy response more likely.
James A. Rhodes was right!