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<i>The Virgin Spring</i> and the murder of Iryna Zarutska: on innocence, evil, images, and retribution — 20 Comments

  1. I’ve seen a number of Bergman films, but not that one. However, I had a similar film viewing experience at about the same age, early teens, with the film Last Summer (1969). The context is radically different between the two films, but the crisis moment is similar and extremely disturbing.

  2. Some thoughts with which some, if not many, may disagree.

    Over the course of time, tribes and societies developed defense mechanisms against transgressors. Many of those were very harsh. Of late, presumably out of compassion many, if not most, of those defensive measures have been abandoned, to the detriment of innocent members.

    There seems to be huge eddy in the criminal justice system. Some excuse not using prison sentences, because prisons are too crowded. So, since there is little deterrent, crime increases proportionally, and puts more pressure on the system. The flotsam and jetsam of society are part of the circular flow and never move downstream.

    It now seems that a large percentage of perpetrators of violent crime are mentally ill; or claim to be. This apparently provides some sort of immunity from ordinary prosecution. And yet the mental health establishment appears to be woefully unprepared to deal with violent criminal-patients.
    If the concept of immunity from prosecution by reason of mental illness is to continue, Society needs to establish a more robust system of ‘Institutions for the Criminally Insane’, and use them. There needs to be serious accountability for mental health professionals who are derelict, or even complicit, in loosing violent persons on society.

    The death penalty is controversial; and I suppose it should be. But there should be honest debate. Life imprisonment for crimes such as murder makes no sense to me. Why, I ask, should society support for life an individual who has been found guilty of the ultimate crime, and who is considered too dangerous to be set free? There seems to be a logical disconnect of epic proportions.

    The issue of very young violent perpetrators is also a difficult one. For starters, I believe that law enforcement should make a concerted effort to identify any adults who influenced their criminal activities and the Justice system should ‘throw the book at them’ so to speak. In fact, if it is determined that an adult motivated a child to commit murder, it should be a mandatory death penalty for the adult. As for the parents of such children, if there are any identified, they should be charged as accessories to the crime.
    I believe that there is growing doubt that society can protect its members; which leads a person to question its value.

  3. ‘we are fighting not merely against men, but powers and principalities of the air’
    demons in human form, this event that happened nearly three weeks and the passing of Charlie Kirk today,

  4. Oldflyer:

    Mental illness does NOT prevent prosecution, in many cases. It depends on the state, the crime, and the illness. The prisons are full of mentally ill people who have been prosecuted and sentenced.

    That said, it’s a complicated and difficult issue. It was so already back when I was in law school, and I recall wrestling with it in several papers.

  5. David Foster:

    Odd that you also thought of something featuring the word “spring.” Different sort of spring, of course.

  6. Brown told authorities during the visit he believed someone had given him a “man-made” material that controlled when he ate, walked, and talked, an affidavit obtained by the newspaper said.

    “Brown wanted officers to investigate this ‘man-made’ material that was inside of his body,” the affidavit said.
    _________________________________

    This is classic schizophrenia territory, coming under the heading of “delusions of control.” Unless Brown had read up on schizophrenia in order to play the part, he was in serious trouble.

    I once read an astonishing memoir of schizophrenia, “Operators and Things,” by a woman who woke up one morning with three strange beings who explained to her that that they were “Operators” and she was a “Thing” being controlled by Operators.

    The story was as good as anything by Kafka or Philip K. Dick. I’ve long wondered if it were true. However, I’ve never found anything definitive. Still an amazing read.

    Apparently her schizophrenia was a rare one-and-done experience and she lived a normal life thereafter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operators_and_Things

  7. I once came home from college and discovered my mother had rented a massive air purifier and it was rattling away in her bedroom.

    She explained to me that her landlord was putting LSD into the air she was breathing and that she was being followed by young men in white panel trucks.

    She spent some time in a locked ward. When she got out, she still believed, but she had learned to keep such thoughts to herself.

  8. huxley:

    I read Operators and Things in my mid-teens, and it made a deep impression on me. Fascinating book.

  9. It’s possible we should look at the whole youthful offender thing again. The motive for sealing childhood records was to allow children to grow up and live without the shadow of childhood follies — but it appears now that it just makes it easier for violent criminals not to be recognized as dangerous.

  10. You may want to learn a few things about mental health and its legal implications (theoretical and practical).

    The real question (and the one routinely answered by mental health experts) isn’t whether Brown’s mind was clear enough (by any standard), but whether he would have done the same thing (thus committing the same crime) had any person of authority (“a cop”, in the most common thought experiment) been watching him.
    If he wouldn’t, he is guilty and should be executed.

    Also, in a sane world that Brown would have never been born. But that’s a different story.

  11. Oldflyer on September 10, 2025 at 4:40 pm;
    “Life imprisonment for crimes such as murder makes no sense to me.”
    We have the historical view that execution is the suitable answer. But now we have “innocence projects” that fight to prove people adjudged “guilty” within “due process” sometimes are later proven not to have committed the crime(s) for which they were lawfully convicted. With that potential for error in mind, but also the probability that the legally obtained judgement was really correct, I have wondered if we are medically able to put such guilty persons in a coma – either until they die or they can be awakened to participate in a new/revised evidence/trial situation. They are not conventionally still enjoying “living”, but are potentially available if changing events warrant it.
    I once asked an anesthesiologist about the ability to do this purposeful coma for very long times, and she implied it should not be done, but the setting of my query was not really suitable to explore it in greater depth. Perhaps one of our MD’s herein can offer their views?

    “As for the parents of such children, if there are any identified, they should be charged as accessories to the crime.” I suspect the wisdom or morality/ legality of this focus on the parents may have some merit, but it is really dependent upon situations and circumstances that do not deserve automatic association between the child’s end behavior or crime and the parents’ roles in initiating or allowing it — i.e., their real ability to influence that behavior or the end resulting crime(s).

  12. Sorry to disagree with you, neo, but it is not a difficult decision once the bafflegab of modern “therapeutic criminal justice” is disregarded and the actor is adjudicated on the nature of the act, rather than his “mental state.” The killer sat there, having the murder weapon in his pocket, with enough time to premeditate his homicidal behavior. He calmly walked away and sought to evade capture, which bespeaks clarity of thought. He should be, if there is any such thing as “justice” left in America, be executed. Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent. Always was, always will be.

  13. Steve:

    I am not suggesting, as I believe I made quite clear, that mental state should affect the verdict. But active schizophrenia should affect the sentencing phrase and bar execution.

  14. Snow on Pine on September 11, 2025 at 10:27 am said:
    With execution you are sure of one thing, a killer is not going to do it again.

    Unless possibly the convicted person was not actually the killer. Then of course the real killer might well kill again. But as commonly said in engineering, so also presumably to law: perfection is the enemy of good enough.

    Is part of the long delays in conducting so many court cases the lack of enough qualified judges and court rooms and prosecutors? In the big picture, I doubt judicial infrastructure and talent is all that expensive or rare, compared to so many other boondoggles.
    Defense lawyers may well want to delay, but usually the prosecution does not.

  15. R2L—

    As with many other contentious issues, and with partisan organizations and individuals involved, it is very hard to know if the statistics offered to justify this or that position—say, for instance, how many innocent people are jailed for life or put to death for a murder they didn’t commit—are really both comprehensive and accurate.

    And if the issue at hand becomes part of the left’s culture war, things get even murkier.

    As a prime example of manipulating statistics, look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics during the Biden Administration, and how the substantial gains in employment reported by the BLS were subsequently all wiped out in a massive downward “revision.”

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