The Founders and Islam: sound familiar?
According to this:
PBS released a 30 minute documentary on “How Muslims influenced Thomas Jefferson and the Founding Fathers” without even once mentioning the Barbary slave trade.
“Romanhelmetguy” – the author of the tweet I just linked – goes on to quote from this document written to John Jay by Thomas Jefferson and John Adams in 1786 when negotiating on the Barbary pirates issue. Here’s a longer quote:
… [W]e took the liberty to make some inquiries concerning the Grounds of their pretentions to make War upon Nations who had done them no Injury, & observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation —
The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their profit, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, & to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise —
That it was a law that the first who boarded an Enemy’s Vessell should have one slave, more than his share with the rest, which operated as an incentive to the most desperate Valour and Enterprize, that it was the Practice of their Corsairs to bear down upon a ship, for each sailor to take a dagger, in each hand, & another in his mouth, and leap on board, which so terrified their Enemies that very few ever stood against them — that he verily believed the Devil assisted his Countrymen, for they were almost always successful —
I didn’t watch the program, nor do I intend to, but I’m using the occasion to repeat a post I first wrote in 2016, about the Founders and Islam. Here it is:
There’s been a discussion in the comments section about the attitude of the Founders towards Islam, and how it relates to freedom of religion, and I thought I’d add some background.
At the outset, when the principles of freedom of religion were being established in Virgina in 1779, and Jefferson and Madison were discussing them (later to be the basis of the First Amendment of the US Constitution), Jefferson felt that freedom of religion should:
…comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahomedan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.
This was despite the fact that the Founders must have known, for example, the history of the Crusades and later of the Gates of Vienna.
In 1786, when the fledgling US was dealing with the Barbary pirates, by whom many US and European ships were seized and their crews sold into slavery, the initial reaction of the US was this:
Congress gave assent to the Treaty of Tripoli, negotiated by Jefferson’s friend Joel Barlow, which stated roundly that “the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen.” This has often been taken as a secular affirmation, which it probably was, but the difficulty for secularists is that it also attempted to buy off the Muslim pirates by the payment of tribute…
…Jefferson and John Adams [later] went to call on Tripoli’s envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves in this way. As Jefferson later reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:
The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.
Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
Later, as president, Jefferson launched [dead link?] a war against the pirates and was successful. But he never had to deal with anything approaching large numbers of Muslim arrivals to this country; at the time, Muslim immigrants were few and far between, nearly nonexistent. The fight was almost wholly an external one, and so the question of whether Islam’s tenets disagreed with our Constitution, and what to do about that in terms of immigration, did not really come up.
And then there was John Quincy Adams, not exactly a Founding Father (although we might call him a Founding Father’s Son). In 1830 he wrote, in the context of discussing the Russo-Turkish wars:
In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. ”¦He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.
Between [Islam and Christianity]”¦a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture”¦While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him”¦(Blunt, 1830, 29:269, capitals in orig.)”¦.
The precept of the koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force (Blunt, 29:274)”¦
I’ve been able to locate the entire passage, and the rest of the essay is an elaboration on the differences between Christianity and Islam, as well as a discussion of Russia’s (a Christian nation’s) war with the Ottomans. In the essay, Adams does not discuss the prospect of Muslim immigration to this country, still extremely rare at that time, and what it might mean. So he never had to come to any conclusions about freedom of religion in this country, and whether it included the freedom to practice a religion he had described in such a manner.
[NOTE: In a footnote to his essay, Adams describes (page 379 in the complete text) the negotiation of a Barbary War treaty in Algiers, when the American signers assumed that the English and Arabic translations were the same. Wrong! The Arabic translations apparently contained an extra clause omitted in the English version, which required payment of the very sort of tribute the treaty was meant to end.]

There’s a very good historical novel that encompasses the Barbary Wars, as well as the Alien & Sedition Act and the Haitian Revolution: Lydia Bailey, by Kenneth Roberts
https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/68175.html
See Jay Smith’s youtube channel, PfanderFilms, for evidence that Islam is a made up fraud. No divine revelation involved. Mohammad is a total fiction.
I second David Foster’s recommendation of the novel Lydia Bailey. I read it about sixty years ago when I was a teen. I also recommend two other Kenneth Roberts novels, A Rabble in Arms, and Oliver Wiswell, for those who still have the time to read long novels. (I also liked his Arundel, and Northwest Passage, but they weren’t quite as good as Lydia, Rabble, or Oliver, in my memory.)
In the late 18th century, the excesses of Christian majorities had scarcely had time to recede in memory, either, either in the New World or in the Old. People often do badly when faced with the temptation of overwhelming power combined with a perceived duty of orthodoxy that’s been elevated over all other duties of humility, kindness, or simple justice.
Reading the Koran changed my life. Before I had thought Islam was just another religion, sort of Christianity in a turban.
Afterward I realized it was an authoritarian, supremacist belief system that would always be at war with the rest of humanity.
I recommend reading the Koran to all Westerners.
When we went out to India, and then Egypt, I thought I’d be more comfortable with Muslims, because, I told myself, “at least they’re monotheists.” My experience was the reverse. We knew very nice people who were Hindus and Muslims, and members of both groups treated us well, but I found myself more comfortable with the mostly high-caste Hindus and Sikhs we knew than I did with Muslims in general. And I’ve done a great deal of reading about Islam since that time. Islamic ideology, taken seriously, is incompatible with modern life and with the American constitutional system. Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, and a variety of agnostic/atheist groups and varieties of Christian and Christian-adjacent groups do not in general threaten their neighbors. Strict Islam does.
Huxley, I had the same reaction after actually reading the Koran, and it changed my reaction regarding anyone that converts to Islam. I can, and will, view less suspiciously a Muslim born into the religion, because most people will always defer to and stick by the religion of their birth (and no offense intended to anyone, but I include Christianity in this assessment). But anyone who has actually researched Islam and then converts into it is always suspect in my estimation. I will never trust them.
Kate, when I lived in Durban, SA (very large Indian community) I knew SA Indian Hindus and SA Indian Muslims. It was always the Hindus I was most comfortable around, and with whom had the most in common. Less judgmental and harsh in their approach to everyone, regardless of one’s religion, or even lack thereof.
I also did two tours in Muslim-majority countries in West Africa, and one particular instance still makes me laugh. A local (Muslim) trainer was explaining cultural matters to us, and told us nearly everyone we will meet will claim to be Muslim, they really are still Animists just beneath the outer Muslim veneer. But not him, of course, oh no, he was a “real” Muslim.
Telemachus, Egyptian Muslims are very superstitious. Scarabs and the Eye of Horus are frequently seen, to ward off evil spirits.
G on June 21, 2025 at 12:04 pm said:
“See Jay Smith’s youtube channel, PfanderFilms, for evidence that Islam is a made up fraud. No divine revelation involved. Mohammad is a total fiction.”
I second your recommendation.
Wendy K Laubach on June 21, 2025 at 1:34 pm: good point.
Salem witch trials in 1692? Vienna rejection of Isamlic conquest in 1683. Not even ten years apart! Almost modern times for them in the 1780’s, … and almost the same for us vs. (say) 622AD.
huxley on June 21, 2025 at 3:40 pm:
“I recommend reading the Koran to all Westerners.”
Plus there are Cliff Notes versions available from several authors, such as Bill Warner, Robert Spencer, et al.
On Robert Spencer’s books about the Qur’an and Islam: We have an English-Arabic parallel Qur’an, brought to my husband by an Egyptian employee after he performed the hajj in Arabia. The book has footnotes to the hadith. I checked several references in Spencer’s books to this authoritative text (in English; I can’t read the Arabic). In all cases Spencer says what the Islamic tradition says. His analyses are trustworthy — and chilling.
Islam is one of the great Christian heresies that Hilaire Belloc documents in his book, The Great Heresies.
St. John of Damascus considered it a heresy. Analysis of the Qur’an indicates that some of it (the more poetic portions) comes from a Syriac prayer book. There are words which make no sense pointed in Arabic, but with Syriac points, make good sense.