Vicious murder on the NY subway
A migrant from Guatemala has been arrested for allegedly lighting a sleeping subway rider on fire in Brooklyn on Sunday morning — then watching as his innocent victim burned to death in what the New York’s top cop called “one of the most depraved crimes one person could possibly commit.”
The savage killing — which happened at about 7:30 a.m. on an idling F train at the Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue station — shocked commuters, MTA workers and NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tisch, who said Sunday that the heinous crime “took the life of an innocent New Yorker.”
There’s much much more at the link. But one thing I don’t see is whether there were witnesses, and what they did or didn’t do. After the Daniel Penny arrest and trial, it would be hard to fault them for holding back.
The alleged perp was identified through photos and three high-schoolers called police because they saw him and recognized him on another subway. Also:
Officials said the 33-year-old suspect came to the US in 2018 from Guatemala. He was detained by border patrol agents in Arizona in June of that year, sources said. His legal status wasn’t immediately clear Sunday night.
He received a transit summons in May 2023, but his criminal record in New York City was largely clean otherwise, sources said. He was living at a shelter on Randall’s Island at the time of the infraction.
Take your pick: psychopath, drugs, psychotic, or some combination of the three?
There must have been at least one witness-there was video of the incident.
According the NY Post, he was sent back in 2018 but was able to sneak back in at some point. One suspects after January 2021, but it’s not known.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/23/us-news/sebastian-zapeta-calil-idd-as-illegal-migrant-accused-of-setting-woman-on-fire-riding-nyc-subway/
As reported by the Times of India; 11/6/2024 Guatemala has an average IQ of 47.72.
If you tend towards the average, your choices of entertainment may not mesh with a modern society.
Facts are cold and hard, but also unavoidable.
I suspect the Times of India may not be reporting facts.
https://www.iqtestacademy.org/home-2?cq_src=google_ads&cq_cmp=418624968&cq_term=normal%20iq%20average&cq_plac=&cq_net=s&cq_plt=gp&msclkid=8ca50513c61e17142c42627a26bce331
An IQ of 47.74 falls off the left end of the bell curve.
“Take your pick: psychopath, drugs, psychotic, or some combination of the three?”
Simply evil. No need to diagnose evil. Just eliminate it.
After a fair trial and upon conviction, the consequence imposed should always be proportionate to the offence. Society should respect his preferred method of execution and in turn impose immolation upon him. Mercy to the barbaric is cruelty to the civilized.
Geoffrey:
Well and truly said.
Mercy to the barbaric is for the spineless among us. They vote (D).
Guatemala has an average IQ of 47.72
I suspect a measurement artifact here. That’s like 3.5 standard deviations. Now somebody has to fill in the bottom 0.01% of the bell curve, but my guess is that there’s a lot of people in Guatemala whose IQ can’t be measured accurately. They have too many countries scoring that low, it doesn’t work out in the share of the population those countries represent.
Times of India seems to have got the data from here but I’m not sure what that source is. Taking it at face value, Indonesia and India average about 77, and that’s about 1/3 of the world’s population. But only about 7% of the world should have an IQ that low.
I have spent a fair amount of time in Guatemala, from a drilling rig in the jungle, to tourism to visiting friends. That average IQ of 47.72, which indicates barely educable, is utter nonsense.
I do wonder where the suspect, Sebastian Zapeta-Calil, is from in Guatemala. My guess is from the lowlands (Zapata or Pacific coast, for example), not from the highlands.
OK Geoffrey, do you want to be the one to light him up?
The victim’s name is Amelia Carter. She was a 29-year-old doctoral student at the University of Pennsylvania. In one of the videos posted here, you can see a policeman walk by her burning body like nothing was happening.
@newlangsyne:you can see a policeman walk by her burning body like nothing was happening.
It’s also odd she’s just standing there. I confess I have never seen anyone burn alive and so I don’t know what to expect, but I didn’t expect that. Drowning people don’t drown like in the movies and people sometimes look right at them, not knowing they are drowning, but I am very surprised that she’s not doing anything when she’s on fire.
I think it’s going to be a while before there are enough hard facts to understand what happened. And like the Las Vegas shooter it just may never make sense.
It’s not surprising that it is hard to get solid statistics on racial, ethnic, or national average IQs.
Research on this topic is basically verboten.
Even Dr.Jordan Peterson’s take on IQ, as deeply researched by the U.S. military, that in general anyone with an IQ of less than 83 is basically untrainable—is, I would think, very unwelcome.
P.S.—According to Peterson, that
I.Q. of 83 or less figure works out to 10% of the population.
IIRC to drown only requires a tablespoon of water in the lungs. FWIW.
You can see the major public policy issues raised–but it looks like ignored–by this 83 I.Q. figure.
that in general anyone with an IQ of less than 83 is basically untrainable
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Which is nonsense.
Art Deco:
Ain’t necessarily so.
Depends on what tasks are at issue.
I’ll take Jordan Peterson’s opinions over yours, since I know his credentials but not yours, though yours are expressed with clarity and vigor.
Telephone pole. Nails. Hammer. Some assembly required.
I am SO tired of putting up with evil homicidal maniacs. Make an example of him in the middle of Times Square. And while he squirming up there he should have an IV to keep him hydrated and infection free. Keep him alive as long as possible.
I want the bastard to SUFFER. No nice clean painless death from a needle.
Now. Is Friedrich right? Is the Abyss looking back into me?
Art Deco–Here is Dr. Peterson explaining what he found out about the 83 I.Q. idea. *
* See https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=caR69G6wpwU
See also https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HPmaAE3jq6I
P.S. See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtRE9HpVja8
I got the maggot was a illegal almost right away yet until I read the comments here had no idea about the woman victim. Was assuming it was a vagrant possibility drugged or passed out, not that even a person in that situation deserves a horrible death.
Sundowner is letting off death row inmates but would volunteer a 45acp round to end this guy’s existence.
Well regarding IQ and trainability we are comming out of four years of FJB so don’t underestimate the usefullness of the less gifted. If Brandon up to the average Guatamalan level of cognition?
Why does everyone believe this Guatemalan guy did it? Is there a witness? Video?
What is the most disappointing and outraging is that nothing is being said about the victim, although her identity is known. A PhD student? A productive member of society, with perhaps a promising future? Or is there more to the story? Doesn’t look as if this will be shared, although the underlying theme of social / civilizational collapse seems to be the preference for coverage, and not just on the part of the perp – but of law enforcement casually walking by the flaming victim and apparently not taking much heed. NYC, the city of the future……..
I’ll take Jordan Peterson’s opinions over yours, since I know his credentials but not yours, though yours are expressed with clarity and vigor.
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I’ll refer you to Edward Banfield’s commentary on this subject, penned more than 50 years ago. IIRC, they are in The Unheavenly City Revisited.
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Linda Gottfriedson doesn’t say people in thar range are untrainable. (Her preferred characterization is ‘near the lower bound of ready employability’).
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You are all asserting that 13% of the population cannot be trained to do anything. That would amount to 27 million working-aged persons. The number of working -aged persons who are (1) inmates, (2) vagrants, or (3) on the SSI roles is about 8 million. I’ve no idea where Dr. Peterson fancies the rest of them are hiding out.
Why does everyone believe this Guatemalan guy did it? Is there a witness? Video?
Yes and yes. Multiple witnesses and video.
As to the victim, something doesn’t add up. A UPenn PhD student? I read in one story she was sleeping. Not blaming the victim here in any way, but that seems a bit odd, though it maybe explains how she was fatally burned before she could react. But it’s still hard to fathom. I would think anyone whose clothes catch fire would know almost instinctively to roll on the ground to put the flames out. Maybe she was intoxicated? But at 7:30am?
This murder and that of Brian Thompson make me a bit wistful for the days of public hangings. There are also many current and former “public servants” for whom they would be appropriate.
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I hate to think about this, but I’m puzzled how someone would burn without being dowsed with an accelerant. Aren’t clothes fire-resistant nowadays? One early report said the victim was surrounded by liquor bottles, and that she was sleeping. Could alcohol in her system acted as an accelerant?
Vicious transformation of the US military…
(Another “Biden” achievement! No doubt one of his most important…)
“DEI & The Death Of Effective Military Command”—
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/dei-death-effective-military-command
Another huge mess for Trump to have to clean up.
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Speaking of things to clean up (alas, the list is endless…)
Presenting: The “Toxification Gambit”:
https://instapundit.com/692257/
Mercy to the barbaric is cruelty to the civilized.
There’s an ancient expression from the Talmud: “Those who are kind to the cruel, in the end will be cruel to the kind.” It applies here, and also to Biden’s commutation of the death sentences of those 37 murderers.
The idea of a whole country of people with average IQs of 48 such as Guatemala or Equatorial Guinea is an alien concept to most, who often cling to the dubious assertion that “a proper sampling was never taken”. More likely, “proper sampling” of these countries is now verboten precisely because it will confirm these low numbers.
If you haven’t worked with people with very low IQs or God forbid, had to teach or train them, then it is really hard to wrap your mind around what you’re dealing with. When people think of someone with an IQ of 48, they envision someone with severe genetic abnormalities (like those with Down syndrome) which are associated with physical ailments as well. They can’t picture someone who they may know who is always smiling, friendly, and communicative as also possessing a 48 IQ.
People with normal to above-average IQs tend to project their own mindsets onto those with subnormal IQs. They can’t envision that there isn’t anything going on in their minds beyond, “Press this button to turn on machine. Place the black tube in front of leaves. Blow leaves off the sidewalk.” These individuals do not fathom why their employer may want leaves to be removed from a walkway, they just know that moving these leaves earns them money for food. When driving, they, like what you think of as small children, can understand the concept of “red means stop, green means go” but are incapable of learning more or realizing the significance of other traffic signs, lane markers, or the concept of crosswalks, hence the constant moving violations committed by people with low IQs who have been granted drivers licenses by the state.
Excess murder, torture-torture.
Send the perp to Planned Perphood or its ideological partner where rehabilitation rites are performed with empathetic advocacy.
Because that has never happened.
Science!
Sweeping generalizations rule.
Guatemala? Mexico is not a good faith international actor. That said, he could have just as easily been transported by Biden at our expense through immigration reform. Her death was collateral damage in the pursuit of social progress. American Civil Liberties Unburdened
Methinks we’re confusing apples and oranges here.
Sigh.
Many serial killers (and persons of less stellar repute) have been, in fact, geniuses.)
What we ARE witnessing, though—with the implementation of THE ENTIRETY OF “BIDEN”s (and friends’) socio-political-“legalistic” zeitgeist—is the INTENTIONAL coarsening and weakening of the body politic, of the state and ALL its institutions, of the media, of education—at ALL levels—of the FAMILY and, most critically, of ANY ELEMENT—and POSSIBILITY—OF TRUST and HOPE WITHIN SOCIETY…yes, INTENTIONALLY…so as to weaken and ultimately destroy—i.e., FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM(TM)—the US and the entire WESTERN WORLD.
Which is why, to be sure, Trump must be destroyed and his supporters put in their place…along with certain Zionist countries.
neo:
You forgot to live “evil,” which not that same as psychopath (although the two may overlap).
Did he know what he did was against the law (i.e. did he know what he did was wrong?), and did he understand the consequences of his actions?
If the answer to both or either is “yes,” then he had agency. Which means he’s evil. The question of whether or not he’s psychopath is secondary, and really irrelevant.
Correction to preceding: “You forgot to list “evil,” which is not the same as psychopath. . . .”
The idea of a whole country of people with average IQs of 48 such as Guatemala or Equatorial Guinea is an alien concept to most,
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It’s also bizarre. Richard Lynn, the Irish psychometrician who fancied his instruments were valid for cross-national comparisons and the key to understanding the process of economic development, did not make such a claim. In Lynn’s rendering, the part of the world with the lowest median IQ scores was equatorial Africa, where they tended to by shy of 70. Keep in mind what you’re asserting when you say the median IQ is 48. You’re saying that 75% of the population consists of people who would be in the bottom 1% of the distribution in the United States and would qualify for disability benefits on their IQ score alone. (They would be in the bottom 1% of the black American distribution as well).
The idea of a whole country of people with average IQs of 48 such as Guatemala or Equatorial Guinea is an alien concept to most
Because it contradicts the definition of IQ: mean 100, standard deviation 15.
An IQ of 48 is 3.5 standard deviations below the mean. Only 0.026% of the population should have a score lower than that, and if Guatemala’s average IQ really is 48, we’re saying that Guatemala has something like half its population lower than that.
The world population is about 8.2 billion. 0.026% of that is 2.1 million. The population of Guatemala is 18.5 million. Even if every single person in the world of IQ 48 and lower lived in Guatemala it could not average 48, even is every person of low IQ lived there leaving no one left over for all the other countries with low IQs.
Therefore, something is wrong with how IQ is being normed, or something is wrong with how IQ is measured in Guatemala. If IQ were normed worldwide so that mean is 15 and standard is 100, Guatemala’s IQ, even if all the absolutely lowest IQ people in the world lived there would have to be somewhere around 60 – 70, just based on their share of world population–and then the rest of the world would then average significantly higher than 100.