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  1. Fil does a fine job with his series; much to learn from his talent and background.
    I watched this one this weekend, then had a listen to Garland’s touching performance again. I wish it were available with her, piano, bass, and drums; the classic nightclub combo.

  2. Hah!

    House Republicans Demand New Speaker Who Will Be Equally Worthless But Maybe With Different Hair Or A Cool Mustache Or Something.

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — Outraged over constant caving to Democrats and the Biden Administration, House Republicans demanded a new House Speaker who would be equally worthless but maybe with different hair, or like, a cool mustache or something.

    “This new house speaker will still suck, but in new and exciting ways,” said Rep. Lauren Boebert. “Like, maybe we can get a guy with, like, a weave? That’d be neat. Ooh! Or like, a tattoo of a falcon. Yeah, that’d be awesome.”

    “It’s a tradition at this point,” said Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz. “We get stabbed in the back by one leader, get fed up, replace them with another leader, and find new and innovative ways to get betrayed and disappointed. Mike Johnson has not gotten the job done, so it’s time to find someone else who will also not get the job done.”

    “But this time, maybe with a sweet pair of shades and he’ll say a trademark catchphrase every time he caves to the Left. That would be fun!”

    Other House Republicans agreed. “We’re tired of the things Speaker Johnson has done to harm our cause,” said Kentucky Congressman Thomas Massie. “We demand a new leader who will be just as bad but in a different way. It’s the only way for us to move past this failure and continue to not accomplish any of our goals.”

    At publishing time, Georgia Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene had already compiled a list of potential Republican candidates who, upon being elected Speaker of the House, would immediately turn around and abandon all reason and conservative principles.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/house-republicans-demand-new-speaker-who-will-be-equally-worthless-but-in-a-different-way

  3. I really appreciate Fil’s one man battle for music integrity…well maybe he should join forces with Rick Beato. However, given what I see regarding “musical taste” in the Millennials and Gen Z, it’s a lost cause.

    On a different note (pun intended). Neo has quite the secretary of transportation there in Mass:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/04/greedy_hand_of_government_goes_wild_in_massachusetts_basically_we_re_going_after_everyone_who_has_money.html

  4. Interesting video and analysis. But, not being a professional musician, really doesn’t mean anything to me. I say that even though I played a Lap Steel for a number of years when I was younger.
    I really like the BB. Spot on. Johnson doesn’t do what I want, so I will fall down on the floor, and wail.

  5. here’s a crazy notion, vote for the things you promised the voters, and only the things you promised the voters, otherwise people won’t trust you, the next time around,

    so voting for the wall yes, rewarding the people who have been awol at the border, who arrest street preachers, and let go actual rioters with more authority, I think thats a negatory,

  6. I initially was annoyed by the guy in times past. But his analysis of processed music – fakery for all real intents and purposes – is spot on.

    Now for entertainment and distraction purposes the individual listener, depending on his tastes, standards, and expectattons might not even care.

    But, having grown up with real, if casually played music in the household as a child, I think it’s a cheat and fake crap.

    But apparently that is where the variety of human values take us. To autotune, to drum machines, to athletic exibitions in dance and song delivery, and drug enhanced acrobatic performances on the playing field of athletics.

    Two other observations. Real perfect pitch deliveries may not please everyone, myself included.

    Though I have no way of verifying it, during drive-time listening over two decades ago, I would occasionally tune into “oldies” stations for variety. It was there that I learned of a singer named Margaret Whiting who was apparently well known when my parents were children. The broadcast host made note that she was renowned for having had perfect pitch. I nade mental note of the name and listened closely.

    The impression of monotone dullness her voice made on me, made listening almost unbearable. Now, she was apparently popular and it might have been the delivery or something else, but it just went nowhere as far as I was concerned.

    But then on the other hand, there was some guy in Sweden who produced a number of multi-layered and multi instrumental Midis some years ago, which on a few bossa nova tunes really sounded amazing, on the verge of incredible. Especially if you had the right player software and the desktop speakers capable of delivering the all the rhythm and background comping “threads” clearly.

    So …

  7. why would fat alvin prosecute, Gotham is much like the world depicted in the latter half of the Dark Knight Rises, for that matter the gothic horror of the Strain, the vampire tale by Guillermo del Toro, who also did Mimic

  8. Having almost no knowledge of music, Fil’s videos are very educational for me. It was amusing to see the expression on his face (broad smile) when Judy Garland was singing as opposed to Kelly Clarkson. I had already seen his previous video and analysis on her some time ago. He’s obviously a fan.
    Beside the new “improvements” to music, he has a pet peeve against record labels. His videos on Jim Croce and the Everly Brothers and their treatment by record companies was interesting.

  9. The final quote from Prof. Jacobsen at the Legal Insurrection link:

    “It’s almost a complete overlap between the anti-Israel, anti-American and anti-capitalist protesters,” he added. “That’s what this movement is about. It’s not just about the war in Gaza.”

    As I have heard said, the “issue” is never really the issue. Civilizational destruction is the real goal.

  10. I would have loved to hear Judy’s version with pitch correction. I expect it would have been much worse than the original. The thing about all music prior to the electronics of the 70’s, but especially the vocals of the past was that it was made by human artists. That human touch is what makes music touch the emotions. Electronic manipulation just gets in the way of great singing, though it can definitely improve lousy singing.

  11. The thing about all music prior to the electronics of the 70’s, but especially the vocals of the past was that it was made by human artists. That human touch is what makes music touch the emotions. Electronic manipulation just gets in the way of great singing, though it can definitely improve lousy singing.

    Not just vocals that are being “corrected”. For modern music production, the vast majority of music being created these days is at a perfectly fixed tempo. Songs are recorded as being “to grid”, meaning that in a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) program like Pro Tools, the measures of the music line up perfectly to a set BPM (Beasts Per Minute) which makes for easy editing and manipualtion of tracks in terms of punch-ins, as well as perfectly in time audio effects like delays ect.

    The down side to this is that recorded music seems mechanistic or robotic when compared to music recorded before the digital audio era. Generally in rock, blues, jazz, country and many other genres the rest of the band will follow whatever tempo the drummer sets. Drummers are human beings and even the best will tend to wander, slowing down or speeding up slightly throughout the song, unless they’re playing to a click track in the studio.

  12. I will admit, I do not have enough knowledge of music to tell if it has been subtly manipulated. I neither sing very well and nor do I play an instrument. But I do like to hear it.
    This song is over a decade old, but in my opinion, very beautiful. For a while, my favorite. Till something else came along.
    You Tube. Have no way of controlling what adds pop up if you look at it.

    Matt Redman 10,000 Reasons ( Bless the Lord )

    https://youtu.be/XtwIT8JjddM?si=nYMKKi28iEl5bAjp

  13. I still have the DVD of that classical movie “The wizard of Oz” with Judy Garland. Every time I see the finale where the fake wizard tells the brainless scarecrow, “I can’t give you a brain, but I can give you a diploma” I think he’s talking to U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y.

  14. “As I have heard said, the “issue” is never really the issue. Civilizational destruction is the real goal”

    Well …. depending on where you draw the lines, this “civilization” might as well be ‘destructed’.

    Once the inevitable final rat fight between the pierced and tattooed pink haired lesbian landwhales of all 53 genders, and the united maniacs of the prophet p^ss be upon his name winds down, clean up may be easier.

    Otherwise you’re just trying to work in a swarm of mosquitoes with sensitive types screaming at you to be careful and not hurt any ’cause “they gotta eat too”

    In a way it will be too bad though, because we used to have a lot of nice things, and most of us are not psychologically prepared to let the freaks die unattended in the streets, victims of their own behavior. But nature will have its way by one means or another.

    On the other hand, maybe grandpas will find it within themselves to stand up to their crazy daughters in law and their antifa playing grandchildren.

    Probably not. But you never know.

  15. The down side to this is that recorded music seems mechanistic or robotic when compared to music recorded before the digital audio era. Generally in rock, blues, jazz, country and many other genres the rest of the band will follow whatever tempo the drummer sets. Drummers are human beings and even the best will tend to wander…

    Nonapod:

    And sometimes that wandering is intentional, if not conscious. The Rolling Stones always had a loose rhythmic feeling to me. They never sounded like there was a drum machine behind them. Maybe it was their blues roots, maybe it was drummer Charlie Watts’ jazz background.

    What happens to “swing” when music is forced into a grid?

    –Rolling Stones, “Sway (7″ Single-Version)”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8Obro0cyo

  16. I’d love to get this guy’s take on this.

    https://youtu.be/khZ7e9ytm-g?si=GNgz8kbtGnXO4X7P

    Grace Slick, White Rabbit, a capella. I got turned onto this from a guy who works as a sound engineer for live bands in Chicago. Big venues. He claims to have met damn near everyone you’ve ever heard of. I don’t know much about music, and maybe it was just bar talk after a few beers, but he said this is not “isolated” digitally after the fact, but Grace Slick actually singing this a capella. Anyway, I get goosebumps during the crescendo. How can anyone do that!?

  17. The best rendition of over the rainbow is done by Eva Cassidy.

    Drcool#1:

    I can go there! No singer pierces my heart as deeply. Here’s Wings of Pegasus on Eva’s “Rainbow.”
    ____________________________________

    If this doesn’t move you emotionally, there’s something wrong with you.

    –Wings of Pegasus, Eva Cassidy, “British guitarist analyses Eva Cassidy performing ‘Over the Rainbow’ live in 1996.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYV-Ym-yzTU

    ____________________________________

    He also makes sure the viewer gets Eva’s technical brilliance in her vocals and guitar playing. He teaches her version to his students.

    Eva was something else, folks. Keep in mind that she died of melanoma at the age of 33.

    She became posthumously famous after her manager sent tapes to the UK and Terry Wogan’s program played “Fields of Gold” and “Over the Rainbow.”

    Heart Eva Cassidy.

  18. ”$90k for a bag of bushings does seem a tad excessive, even by federal government standards.”

    That depends. Was each bushing a separate CLIN? Because the FAR-mandated paperwork for a CLIN runs about $3-5 thousand, at least.

  19. I don’t think the Grace Slick track is purely a capella. They used to frequently lay down tracks separately. I think she’s listening to tracks had been laid down already and they are recording her voice as she sings along to the track. So technically, not digitally isolated. But not truly a capella, either.

    It’s still great.

    The thing about Judy Garland and singers from the past is that so many of them had truly mellifluous voices — voices that flow like honey. Rosemary Clooney had a beautifully mellifluous voice.)

    And I haven’t really heard that much in any contemporary singer. Kelly Clarkson didn’t have it on the recording her was using. (I have heard it in ONE Beyonce song. And as I’m not particularly a fan, it’s hard to about that.)

    And the loss of the mellifluous quality isn’t a matter of the current technology that is used — it started before then.

    I’m just not really sure why it is.

  20. I just know what resonates and for me, Garland’s performance far exceeds Clarkson’s cover.

    Eva Cassidy did a fine cover but IMO falls short of Garland’s. She owned that song and still does. Garland’s compelling and palpable yearning for her home, sets her rendition above all others.

    It’s the believable emotion a singer invests in a song that sets it above technical proficiency.

    Two examples:
    New York native Tony Bennett; “I Left My Heart in San Francisco” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysw4svDmcxc

    Gino Vannelli – “I Just Wanna Stop”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8e1SjBHSUM

  21. Are they doing anything to Adele’s voice? She seems pretty amazing. Cass Elliot could flat out sing, but that was before the digital era, and don’t even get me started about Sinead.

  22. I don’t think the Grace Slick track is purely a capella… It’s still great.

    Someone+Else:

    Agreed and agreed.

    As to mellifluous voices. I think I know what you mean … voices that can caress the lyrics and melody together. I think of Sarah Vaughan and “Just a Little Lovin’.”

    We may have lost a lot of that. I didn’t track it closely but it seemed to me there were a number of hugely popular female vocalists in the 90s/00s who were real belters. I’ve got nothing against the style, but it’s not right for everything.

    Maybe you would like Diana Krall, more of a jazz singer as well as the wife of Elvis Costello. She’s a talent:

    –Diana Krall, “Crazy” (2003?)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFfJADWhBFM

  23. Fil was great on explaining the pitch correction, and how it’s clear.

    There’s soon going to be software that can pitch adjust with a better simulated real voice. Probably even ML based pattern duplication, for instance using Judy’s patterns of being slightly flat or sharp and often being a little bit between notes.

    Haven’t seen or heard of this, yet, tho.

  24. I can’t really tell the difference. In the future, the singers will be AI, and so will Fil. AI will have a lot of fun accusing other writers and performers of being AI.

  25. I love his stuff. Especially when he listens to great singing and smiles with that far away look in his eyes. His piece on Julie Andrews was very good.

    Another analyst I like is Zharoff. Here’s her analysis of one of my fav vocals.

  26. Huxley —

    Sarah Vaughn has that mellifluous quality. Diana Krall did not. Cass Elliott did not. Julie Andrews did. I expected Annie Lennox to because she did a ton of vocal training, but she did not. Adele doesn’t have it.

    Best I can figure is that the ones with the mellifluous quality seem to use their whole throat — it’s a fuller sound. While the others — the singers who lack the mellifluous quality — their voices seem more from their head. I tried to find the one Beyonce tune, but after wading through about seven video clips, I gave up.

  27. The thing about … singers from the past is that so many of them had truly mellifluous voices — voices that flow like honey…

    And I haven’t really heard that much in any contemporary singer. …

    And the loss of the mellifluous quality isn’t a matter of the current technology that is used — it started before then.

    I chalk it up to fashion.

    When I was younger, I was a fan of a dramatic cartoon series that I only knew as Battle of the Planets. Turns out it was anime (which I’d never heard of) and had originally come out in Japan as Gatchaman.

    I bring it up here because this was in the early days of the commercial Internet, and eventually I was able to watch some original Gatchaman. The Japanese voice acting was entirely different from the English-language dubbing. In Japanese, the one female character, for instance, had the most – to my American ears – screechy, irritating, super-high voice, whereas in the American dub she had what sounded to me like a pleasantly modulated young woman’s voice, in the soprano range but not noticeably high, and with a quality of floor that was nowhere in the Japanese version. The men’s voices were similarly dissimilar, if I can phrase it that way.

    I was on a fan BBS for the series back then, and I asked the real Gatchaman fans about it, specifically with regard to the female voice. They told me that that type of voice was the preferred type in Japanese anime. I stuck with BOTP.

    So what I’m saying is that modern singers could certainly be trained as old-time singers were, and could certainly sing as well and in the same style – people haven’t actually gotten worse at singing, haven’t actually lost ability. But they don’t choose to sing that way, because – in pop- shallow, low-resonance nasality, whispering into a mic, not using legato – these are fashionable here and now. In musical theater it’s similar; modern musical theater voices sound nothing like the past ones. (And musical theater performers didn’t use to use mics! Which explains at least some of the stylistic change – when you have to project your natural voice, speaking and singing, to the back of the theater, it requires some squillo that you don’t need if you’re amplified.) Opera also has its styles, apparently just like ballet.

    Another thing that seems to be fashionable – maybe ’twas ever thus, after all Mozart existed – is the child musical prodigy. My father-in-law recently made us watch a whole lot of videos of a conductor (Italian, maybe?) who performs at beautiful and dramatic venues like, you know, the Coliseum, and who seems to seek out children and very young singers and highlight them as soloists. My FIL was wild about these kids. I’m not a professional singer, but I’ve had many years of training – and I perceive (1) a rote quality, which I also had (more so, certainly – these kids are undoubtedly very good!) at the same age, which I chalk up simply to youth and lack of emotional and physical experience, and (2) a sense of vocal pressure, which would be pretty natural given that you’re asking a very young instrument to do very hard things intended for a mature vocal apparatus.

    But something I wonder about, with regard to past versus present attitudes about prodigies: I wonder if, in the past, a time in which maturity was actually respected, prodigies were appreciated more as… oddities. Interesting, fun to hear and watch, but not standard-setting. Today, it seems that you get a Charlotte Church and everybody’s like, “Have you ever heard such artistry? Such genius? Voice of an Angel™!”

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