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  1. I think this was strategic, and I hope the judge looks through his back pain excuse and gives him a very long sentence.

  2. “I knew what I was doing… Mangione voiced no remorse”

    Mangione freely admitted to unilaterally denying UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson’s unalienable right to life.

    In doing so, he voluntarily forfeited his own right to life. As we cannot claim for ourselves a right that we unilaterally deny to another.

    By “unilateral” I mean the standard textbook definition: “Unilateral means done, decided, or caused by only one person, group, or country, without the agreement or help of others.”

    This applies to ALL murders. Actions must have commensurate consequences.

  3. What Baffles me is that the State murder charge is ONLY 2nd degree. His actions SCREAM premeditation. This is not we struggled, and I shot him or in a fit of rage I shot him. This is: I plotted for a LONG time and then essentially killed him assassination style. It seems textbook premeditated murder but perhaps NY has more requirements for first degree murder?

  4. Tregonsee314:

    States define degrees of murder differently. In NY, 2nd degree is intentional murder. 1st degree is limited to certain special circumstances that don’t match this case.

  5. My understanding is the Federal Court prosecuted him for stalking, so there is no double jeopardy if NY State prosecutes him for murder (and not stalking). I strongly favor execution over a life sentence in prison. The dollar cost difference is huge.
    Luigi is focally deranged, but not classically mentally ill. He has surely assisted in his defense.

  6. CICERO:

    Yes, the different charges between federal and state should make it possible for the state to try him without double jeopardy. However, I’ve heard that apparently New York is a state where double jeopardy is very broadly interpreted, and so if someone is charged twice for the same acts even if the charges are different it could be considered double jeopardy and prohibited. That’s what the Mangione defense is hoping for.

  7. Thank you Neo I had wondered if it wasn’t something like that but I didn’t have the patience to wade through the opacity that are the various state statutes.

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