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  1. Poor George glommed onto an anti-philosophical putz in Popper, so it’s hardly surprising he spins about as an unguided, politcally destructive missile in consequence. A pity, what with the gathering of his monetary power, all this waste and corruption had to follow.

  2. Re: Karl Popper

    Popper always struck me as a good-faith liberal with an eye to critical thinking. He seemed to be a generalist whom specialists considered to be poaching on their territories.

    I’m surprised how many different sides dislike Popper. Maybe he was doing something right!

  3. He’s less libertarian and more one world government. Not expressly communist, but at least fascist.

  4. Popper is the antithesis of a critical thinker, if — as critical thinker — we ought mean anything serious by the term. Doing right, sure, where exposing himself as an untrustworthy interpreter is implied.

  5. It would be nice to hear some specific criticisms of Popper beyond that he didn’t arrive at one’s preferred positions.

    Popper’s falsifiability stands up for me as fine critical thinking.

    Like Popper I wouldn’t want to live under Plato’s Republic, communism, fascism or technocracy.

  6. Popper thinks he understands Plato, huxley (he doesn’t). He goes on to build his world on his utter misunderstanding of Plato. It’s a terrible waste of energy, completely unconcerned with the truth, wholly invested in a fanatasy of his own creation. Together a waste of time and a miseducation of a couple of generations of impoverished students, to say nothing of the destruction wrought by those seal-clapping students in the world.

  7. As far as philosophy of science goes, “falsifiability” was an important contribution into understanding what makes science different from things that are not science. I think the most you can fault him for there is that it’s more useful for knowing how things get winnowed out of science then for how things get brought into science.

    That and the problem of auxiliary hypotheses–if the comet isn’t where it’s supposed to be we don’t first throw out the theory of gravitation, we first check to see if that dumbass Melvin deleted the calibration again, and then we check to see if there’s an undiscovered planet or whatever. Falsifiability doesn’t address how those decisions are made or how they should be.

    “Unfalsifiable” of course does not mean “bad”. There are a few Dunning-Krugerrands who will say that a scientific principle is unfalsifiable and therefore false… The Z-man (for those who remember him) got “unfalsifiability” hilariously wrong.

    Popper has since become a bee in a certain kind of bonnet, in the same way Darwin has, and for some of the same reasons. There are people who believe in something I’m against, those people cite Popper approvingly, ergo Popper must have been dumb and bad and if I can prove Popper wrong those people will vanish in a puff of logic.

  8. Popper argues that no philosophy or ideology is the final arbiter of truth, and that societies can only flourish when they allow for democratic governance, freedom of expression, and respect for individual rights—an approach at the core of the Open Society Foundations’ work.

    Like so many fine-sounding ideas in theory, in practice it breaks down. If there is no actual “truth,” standards end up being established by the loudest or most aggressive groups. In practice, Soros’s contributions have ended up directly opposed to democratic governance, freedom of expression, and respect for individual rights.

  9. @Kate:If there is no actual “truth,”

    no philosophy or ideology is the final arbiter of truth

    is not the same thing as “there is no actual truth”. Very different. Not saying “no truth”, saying no guarantee that a particular philosophy or ideology will always identify the truth.

    I would not sum up Popper as saying either, personally. I read “The Open Society and Its Enemies” in college, a long time ago, it’s pretty long and says a lot of things, some of which I would defend and some of which I wouldn’t.

  10. What Soros wants? Instead of what he says he wants, what is the logical result of what would happen if his current activities were far more influential than today?

    Say warm and fuzzy things about the criminal justice system and get soft-on-crime people into the system. Great increase in innocent victims of those whose earlier criminal activities should have put them in prison and thus protected the innocent. Eventually, the innocent are desperate enough to call for an oppressive system which then justifies Revolution. Cloward-Piven in another field.

    Calling Israel “anti-democratic” is word paste. Even Soros isn’t dumb enough to believe that, no matter how his upbringing warped him and to what degree he’s been Popperized. Call something you don’t like or don’t want by a name everybody else is already supposed to not like and…you fool the lowest decile of the foolish, provide smokescreen for those wishing to mislead others and think others may be dumb enough to believe it. And for those who wish to mislead themselves.

    Ditto “open” and other warm fuzzies. He can’t have been as smart as it takes to be rich as he is and be dumb enough to believe what he says.

    He wouldn’t promote soft-on-crime if he didn’t WANT legions of innocent victims, need them for his purposes. He can’t be unaware of what is happening, yet he carries on. Thus, it’s a goal.

  11. I think Popper is used by others the same way Nietzche is used by others – as a starting-off point for all sorts of disparate ideas, some of them very bad.

  12. Open-shmopen;
    Soros’ goals have nothing to do with this. It’s clear to me that he wants to watch the world burn. More specifically, his plan can be viewed as a more realistic version of Manson’s “Helter Skelter”.

  13. I read both volumes of “The Open Society aned Its Enemies”

    I see that I only paid $3.95 per volume: 1. Plato 2. Hegel and Marx but that was 1971.

    As the joke goes when I lived Europe years ago his book had been cleverly renamed as :

    “The Open Society and its Enemies by one of its Enemies.”

  14. Popper isn’t saying that there is no truth, but that we live in a society in which people often disagree vehemently about the truth, so we must make room for fractious debate rather than some top-down truth decreed by some authority.

    Popes and ayatollahs definitely believe in truth and that they possess it. Spare me from popes and ayatollahs. As well as Soros and Foucault.

  15. Popper thinks he understands Plato, huxley (he doesn’t). He goes on to build his world on his utter misunderstanding of Plato.

    sdferr:

    So you say.

    As a poet I jumped ship when I reached the point where Plato banished poets from his Republic unless they played by Plato’s rules.

    I know tyranny when I see it.

  16. @neo:I think Popper is used by others the same way

    Helps that Popper isn’t around to dispute their mischaracterizations.

    He wasn’t intending to write a manual for George Soros to use to take over the world. He was writing against Communism and Nazism and anything else like them. He’d had to leave Austria due to his Jewish ancestry, despite being baptized Lutheran. He left his manuscripts to the Hoover Institution after all…

    But everything is a team sport nowadays so if George Soros is for it we have be against it, I suppose.

    Regardless, no one is responsible for how other people use their name and work, or who cites them as an authority, especially when they’re thirty years dead.

  17. In my early college days I was an enthusiastic libertarian. Back then there were libertarian clubs and societies one could be a part of, and I was. The most useful thing about this era of my life is that it cured me of libertarianism.

    At first it was exciting that there were such different varieties of libertarianism, including a left-wing varietal that I wasn’t familiar with at all. It eschewed all forms of patriotism, nationalism, even borders. I suppose you could call those folks Open Society types.

    I learned then that one could get carried away with philosophy and become blind to the impracticalities when taken to the logical extreme. Most people outgrow this. I’ve always just assumed Soros is one of those people that never did.

  18. I’d suggest you can profitably reconsider huxley. Plato loves the poets so much, he became one himself.

    Still, have a read of, say, Jacob Klein’s Commentary on Plato’s Meno (1965), if Allan Bloom’s interpretive essay accompanying his translation of Republic isn’t to your fancy (these are just two examples of what earnest Plato scholarship can look like, in contrast to the silly dreck Popper posits — Bernadette we can leave aside for later). There is so much poetic about Plato that not a single word should go missing.

  19. Plato loves the poets so much, he became one himself.

    sdferr:

    So if Kim Jong Un wrote a bit of poetry on the side, it would prove that he loves poets.

    Right.

  20. C’mon man. Plato founds a school and writes dialogues illustrating dramatically (hence, poetically, i.e., in speech) the conduct of a philosophic life. And now we’ll make him into Kim Jong Un? Hilarious! Heck, Machiavelli’s whole complaint with the likes of Plato is that he is completely ineffective in the world of the political, so far from being the God of his own hermit kingdom! Plato lives in a harmless cloud-cockoo-land (Aristophanes’ Nephelokokkygia) by Machiavelli’s lights. Be serious.

  21. Thank you, Neo. I was the one who originally asked what in the world Soros’s goals are. I’m not sure I understand better, unless he’s just one crazy dude who started with a “goal” of “open society,” and just kept moving forward no matter the consequences. Maybe thinking that, even though chaos may ensue for a while, eventually everything will just be free, free, free! And open.

    “Working to advance human rights, equity, and justice.” Ah, but what do those words MEAN? To me, therein lies the rub. What is a “human right”? I’ve heard people say with absolute certainty that “health care is a human right.” Says who?

    What is equity? Who gets the final say on the definition? Same with justice. I can quote at length from Thomas Sowell’s wonderful books The Quest for Cosmic Justice and Social Justice Fallacies, his definition would contradict say, Aryanna Presley’s definition.

    Who gets to decide is always the question. And it looks like, these days, it’s either who has the most money and is willing to donate it to the right people and causes, along with who controls the media/social media monster.

  22. From Grok:

    Black Wednesday refers to September 16, 1992, when the British government was forced to withdraw the pound sterling from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM), a system that pegged European currencies to each other within narrow bands to stabilize exchange rates ahead of the euro’s creation. The ERM required the UK to maintain the pound’s value against the Deutsche Mark, but economic divergences—such as high German interest rates following reunification and a UK recession—made the pound overvalued and vulnerable to speculation.

    George Soros, through his Quantum Fund, played a central role by short-selling massive amounts of pounds in the days leading up to the crisis, betting that the Bank of England could not sustain the currency’s peg. He reportedly shorted around $10 billion worth of sterling, which intensified selling pressure and contributed to the pound’s rapid decline. The Bank of England attempted to defend the currency by spending billions in reserves to buy pounds and hiking interest rates from 10% to 12% and briefly to 15%, but these efforts failed amid overwhelming market forces. The pound ultimately devalued by about 15% against the Deutsche Mark, and the UK exited the ERM, marking a humiliating defeat for the government and costing the Treasury an estimated £3.4 billion.

    Soros profited approximately $1 billion from his trades, earning him the nickname “the man who broke the Bank of England.” While the crisis was rooted in fundamental economic mismatches, Soros’s aggressive speculation is widely seen as accelerating the collapse by amplifying market doubts and forcing the government’s hand sooner than it might have otherwise occurred. Critics, including some UK politicians at the time, accused him of predatory trading that exploited the situation for personal gain, though Soros has defended his actions as simply recognizing and acting on market inefficiencies. In hindsight, exiting the ERM allowed the UK greater monetary flexibility, contributing to economic recovery in the 1990s, but the event remains a landmark in financial history for demonstrating the power of hedge funds over central banks.

  23. To me he’s just an anti-social being. It would seem his success has mostly been predicated on making bets against the success of rather large institutions, rightly or wrongly. Given the social mischief that he underwrites in very large numbers across a wide spectrum of activities, it’s hard to see how there is a constructive intent behind it all. I think having secured obscene wealth for himself, sufficient to be virtually untouchable, I think he views the world mostly with contempt, as deserving of his worst. But maybe this is unfair. Can anybody catalog philanthropic efforts of his that are clearly 100% for the benefit of humanity – correcting birth defects, feeding the hungry, etc?

  24. From Grok:

    Glenn Beck’s 2010 series on his Fox News program, titled **”The Puppet Master”**, was a multi-part exposé (primarily a three-part series aired in November 2010) focused on billionaire financier and philanthropist **George Soros**. Beck portrayed Soros as a shadowy, immensely influential figure — the titular “puppet master” — who allegedly manipulates global events, economies, governments, and progressive causes from behind the scenes to advance a radical agenda.

    ### Key Elements and Structure of the Series
    The series built on Beck’s earlier criticisms of Soros and aimed to connect various dots in what he presented as a larger pattern of influence:

    – **Soros’ Background and WWII Experience**: Beck discussed Soros’ childhood in Nazi-occupied Hungary during World War II. He highlighted how, as a 14-year-old Jewish boy posing as the Christian godson of a Hungarian official, Soros accompanied his guardian on property confiscations from Jewish families (as Soros himself described in a 1998 *60 Minutes* interview). Beck emphasized this period, stating things like “Here’s a Jewish boy helping send the Jews to the death camps” while clarifying he wasn’t claiming Soros “enjoyed” it. This segment drew heavy criticism for implying collaboration or moral failing, which critics (including the Anti-Defamation League) called Holocaust revisionism or invoking anti-Semitic tropes.

    – **Financial Influence and “Breaking” Economies/Regimes**: Beck accused Soros of profiting from and helping collapse currencies and governments, such as his famous 1992 bet against the British pound (which earned him over $1 billion and contributed to “Black Wednesday”). He extended this to claims that Soros funded or supported “coups” or revolutions, including the Rose Revolution in Georgia, the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, and others in Eastern Europe — framing these as engineered destabilizations rather than grassroots movements.

    – **Philanthropy and Political Funding**: A major focus was Soros’ Open Society Foundations and his massive donations to progressive causes, NGOs, civil society groups, media outlets, and political efforts. Beck argued this created a vast network allowing Soros to pull strings on issues like drug policy reform, criminal justice changes, environmental activism, and opposition to certain regimes or U.S. policies. He suggested Soros’ influence extended to U.S. domestic politics, funding groups that allegedly undermined traditional values, free markets, and American sovereignty.

    – **Overall Narrative**: Beck used dramatic visuals (including creepy medieval-style puppets on set symbolizing control) and charts to depict Soros as orchestrating chaos for personal or ideological gain. He contrasted this with what he saw as Soros’ goal of promoting open societies (a term from Karl Popper that Soros adopted) but twisted it into a conspiratorial plot for globalist control, wealth redistribution, and weakening nation-states.

  25. My estimation has generally been in line with Aggies; he tries to make large sums of money by harming institutions/currencies.

  26. I’ve mentioned it before, but I also find it a curious footnote that George’s father, Tivador, was big in Ludwik Zamenhof’s Esperanto “international language” movement and George was raised in an Esperanto speaking home.

    One of the goals of Esperanto was to remove borders imposed by languages, by creating a “one world” language spoken by all.

  27. I am curious about the relationship of treasury secretary, Scott, Bessent and Soros. Here’s what Grok says about it.
    > Scott Bessent has a long professional history with George Soros through Soros Fund Management (SFM), the hedge fund and investment vehicle associated with Soros.
    > Here’s the key relationship:
    • Bessent joined Soros Fund Management in 1991 (some sources note his association beginning in the early 1980s post-Yale graduation, but his formal high-level role started in 1991).
    • He rose to become managing partner of SFM’s London office from 1991 to 2000.
    • In that period, he played a significant role in one of Soros’s most famous trades: the 1992 short bet against the British pound (which “broke the Bank of England” and earned billions for the fund).
    • Bessent left SFM in 2000 to start his own hedge fund (Bessent Capital), then returned later.
    • From 2011 to 2015, he served as Chief Investment Officer (CIO) of Soros Fund Management, managing billions in assets for Soros, his family, and related foundations.
    > After leaving SFM again in 2015, Bessent founded his own global macro investment firm, Key Square Group (or Key Square Capital Management), where he served as CEO and CIO.
    > Their connection is primarily professional: Bessent was a longtime senior executive and key investment strategist at Soros’s firm over two stints spanning more than two decades. Sources describe him as a protégé or close associate in the financial world, though there were reports of clashes at times (e.g., upon his earlier departure).
    > Notably, despite Soros being a major Democratic donor and philanthropist, Bessent has aligned politically with Republicans and was nominated/confirmed as U.S. Treasury Secretary under President Trump (as of 2025), which drew attention to this past Soros tie in political discussions.
    There is no indication of a close personal friendship beyond the professional mentor-protégé dynamic in finance.

  28. Soros is an independent (thanks to his moola) thinker who has lost his way into la-la land.

  29. C’mon man. Plato founds a school and writes dialogues illustrating dramatically (hence, poetically, i.e., in speech) the conduct of a philosophic life.

    sdferr:

    C’mon man, yourself. I’m arguing a simple bit of logic. Writing poetry doesn’t guarantee a love for poets. Whether that is Plato or Kim Jong Un.

    Sure, Plato used poetic techniques (I thought you were arguing that he wrote some minor poems, which he is reputed to have done, though that’s debatable) but that does not excuse censoring poets who don’t fit within Plato’s narrow constraints.

    Tyranny doesn’t have to be cruel. It just has to be tyranny. I am serious.

  30. C’mon man:

    No one expects the Spanish Inquisitors to use the Comfy Chair either.

    “A kinder gentler machine gun hand ….”

  31. Re: Soros

    I had a progressive, New Age friend, though still smart, who after Soros ran his raid on the pound, described Soros as a “Stop me before I kill again” murderer.

  32. Whatever Soros’ motivations, however well intentioned he may believe them to be,
    in his case the adage fully applies, “By their ‘fruits’ shall ye know them”.

  33. Promotion of homosexual pseudogamy is not a ‘libertarian’ cause except in the puerile sense that public policy has to bow to any open mouth saying ‘I want’.

  34. C’mon man it’s been centuries since the any pope had the religious (malevolent) power of this centuries ayatollahs.

  35. The father, the son, and…Holy Orwell!!

    As per the always astute Andrea Widburg:

    “Alex Soros, George’s son, is worth listening to at Davos;
    “I say this not because he makes good points, but because he’s a nincompoop—but an immensely powerful one. We need to know who he is.”—
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2026/01/alex_soros_george_s_son_is_worth_listening_to_at_davos.html
    H/T Blazingcatfur blog.

    Noted.
    (OTOH, I’m fairly certain we all know who he is…)

  36. Richard Aubrey —
    “He wouldn’t promote soft-on-crime if he didn’t WANT legions of innocent victims, need them for his purposes. He can’t be unaware of what is happening, yet he carries on. Thus, it’s a goal.”
    Yes, and his best follower, Alex, is like a young Gavin Newsome but smarter and richer.
    The haters of western culture (– and I include a meritocracy in that) are put in charge by the big money, controlling elections and local “social justice” leaders — including the teachers unions and many NGO’s.
    They absolutely enjoy riots, chaos, and terror. The pawns are easily indoctrinated to take over the streets & punish law officers, due to “public education”, evil politicians, and their media.

  37. Some 20+ years ago a friend loaned me a book that was a compendium of bios on ultra successful investors. They may skipped Buffett, since was so “covered” by others.

    But they described Jim Rodgers who had his first major wealth building activities along side Georgeo Soros.

    From the Wiki on Rodgers:

    In 1970, Rogers joined investment bank Arnhold and S. Bleichroder, where he worked with George Soros.[8]

    In 1973, Soros and Rogers both left and founded the Quantum Fund. From 1973 to 1980, the portfolio gained 4,200% while the S&P advanced about 47%.[9] The Quantum Fund was one of the first truly global funds.

    In 1980, Rogers decided to “retire” and traveled on a motorcycle around the world. He has since been a guest professor of finance at the Columbia Business School.[10]

  38. yes I used to think jim rodgers knew what he was talking, he wears the accroutrements of a bond villain or if you want a victorian analogue james moriarty,
    once he was just a currency trader, then according to sources he incorporated his Open Society in South Africa, then linked up with the State Department, for ostensibly noble causes, like promoting human rights in the East Bloc, this is how Victor Urban, one of his more prominent critics and earlier protege, one of the characters in a roman a clef by a former employee of a lesser financier Paul Singer, suggests it was the penalty levied by French and British authorities, so he decided to ‘buy the stage, takeover much of the non profit archipelago,

    but like Bin Laden, he came to believe he could manipulate the West as readily as he did the east, when he started with decriminalization and prison reform exercise, at various times, he came in contact with various persons including Trump, but he was directed to more left wing causes that by 2004, he was openly
    boasting of his influence, thats around the time of the 60 minutes profile, that has
    been the source of much controversy,

  39. Barry Meislin,

    Barry, just a quick note:

    I rarely comment on your comments because they are complete. You usually address your points concisely and there is nothing left to add. So my silence is not due to a lack of appreciation. I especially appreciate the puns and humor you often work in.

    Thanks!

  40. He likes to break things- economies, societies, people. The money he makes from the wreckage goes back into more cruelty. He is a sadist.

  41. Yes indeed… “by their fruits”.
    I think it was instapundit who observed that, while it’s difficult to find a motivation, it is fair to infer intent from result. Why the guy wanted the result he worked for is not particularly relevant and can derail any discussion. Probably the intent of asking about some bad actor’s motivation.
    The result of his action is his intent. We can judge it, like it, not like it, support or oppose it, all without needing to know the motivation.
    The obvious implication is…no matter what he’s telling us about what he wants to happen. The likely result is/was his intent.

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