How many illegal aliens are there in Charlotte, anyway?
The answer seems to be “a great many”:
On Monday, Charlotte-Mecklenburg schools saw a tremendous number of absences, nearly 20% of students, shortly after ICE showed up in town and illegal migrant communities became afraid of going out in public.
Impressive. What does it mean, exactly? Plus “Wake County explicitly gave the okay for illegal aliens to skip school so that they could evade federal law enforcement officers.”
There’s also this:
Charlotte NC officials confirm that out of the 900,000 residents living in the city…
…over 150,000 of them are FOREIGN-BORN
Again, what does it mean? Certainly some percentage of those are here legally. And where do the ones here illegally come from?
The entire episode points out how little we really know about the population here illegally.
More:
Trump advisor Stephen Miller revealed a few months ago that even the horrifyingly large number of 320,000 missing children was an underestimate, and that the actual number of unaccompanied children trafficked into our country under the Biden-Harris administration was 450,000. That’s right: it approached half a million kids.
The word “trafficked” is used there to mean “unaccompanied.” Some parents might send their kids to the US alone for bona fide reasons, I suppose – although such a practice would be highly suspicious. And how many of these unaccompanied children actually end up in horrific circumstances? I would guess very many – but once again, we don’t know.
Homan says we have now located 30,000 of these children, but I can’t find any data on how many actually were being exploited, sexually and otherwise, and how many were not. The point is, though, that it is unconscionable that so many children were allowed to go missing during the previous administration.
150 out of 900 K certainly seems like an anomalously high percentage. I hope it is anyway. So why Charlotte? I know it is or was something of a banking hub, partly because it was the location of one of first gold rushes in the nation.
And the Dems are all excited about Epstein. Yes, Epstein was a criminal but the scale of sexual abuse and sex slavery that Joe Biden enabled was on an industrial scale.
Biden will burn in Hell for eternity.
20% were absent so what is the normal absentee rate for a day in mid November?
Not zero obviously but I wouldn’t be shocked if it was about 10% so that lowers the number right there.
Again, what does it mean? Certainly some percentage of those are here legally. And where do the ones here illegally come from?
According to the numbers here there are a total of 54 million foreign-born people living in the US right now, with about 15 million estimated to be illegal.
Unless Charlotte is an outlier, roughly 1 in 3 of those 150,000 would be illegal, so about 50,000.
When I used to spend a lot of time in North Carolina, 20-30 years ago, the illegals were largely Mexicans doing poultry processing and the like, but I don’t know if that would be the case now. Even then, though, you could walk around all day in Charlotte and never hear a Southern accent, simply because so many people had moved there recently from all over the country.
Spanish-speaking people are now found all over North Carolina, and in increasing numbers. Construction work is heavily Hispanic, and many of them appear to be illegally resident. In both Charlotte and the RDU area, Hispanic neighborhoods are reportedly on edge, and of course if they were all here legally there would be no reason to worry. Even here in the mountains of western NC, two hours west of Charlotte, there are lots of people who speak no English.
Imagine the legals wouldn’t want to chance it. Avoid aggravation of proving they are legal. Can’t really blame ’em.
How would i, as a normal whitey, prove without a doubt I am a citizen with just the stuff in my wallet? Drivers License?
I wonder how many additional people will opt to leave the country when this policy is fully implemented.
“In particular, the rule will clarify that refunded portions of the Earned Income Tax Credit, the Additional Child Tax Credit, the American Opportunity Tax Credit, and the Saver’s Match Credit are federal public benefits and, therefore, illegal aliens and other foreign nationals will not be eligible to receive such benefits.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/11/20/exclusive-treasury-dept-issues-historic-rule-prevent-illegal-aliens-securing-income-tax-credits/
As the financial safety net grows smaller, everyone might decide that it is cheaper to move back.
fullmoon: How would i, as a normal whitey, prove without a doubt I am a citizen with just the stuff in my wallet? Drivers License?
According to perplexity.ai:
A Real ID-compliant drivers license establishes your identity. Federal Immigration and Border Officials (e.g., ICE, CBP) have the most direct and routine access to these (citizen and legal resident) databases to verify the status of individuals they encounter.
A US Passport Card is definitive, primary proof of U.S. citizenship and identity.
Though I have a passport card, I don’t routinely carry it. I always have my Real-ID drivers license.
fullmoon (6:51 pm) said: “How would I, as a normal whitey, prove without a doubt I am a citizen with just the stuff in my wallet? Drivers License?”
RealID. When I applied for and was granted one, I had to submit proof of residency (utility bills from two utilities) plus an original certified birth certificate (or something uber-official to that effect; mine was deemed acceptable but I’m still not sure why [whew!]).
I have my RealID in my wallet (but not utility bills or a birth certificate). I have my driver’s license, too, but where I come from (Newsomland), illegals get driver’s licenses.
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AppleBetty, ya beat me to it by all of three minutes.
Since part of my living is helping people go to Mexico for dental work, I talk to CBP staff a lot. One of the questions I get is, what documents do I need to take? Used to be at Los Algodones, where my clinics are, the Mexican border folks never even looked at anything.
But they’ve build a new crossing station, and now they will usually ask. They want a passport, but have always settled for state ID in my experience. You might get a “next time a passport” admonition, but unlike the US side, they’re not taking your picture or making notes.
As for coming into the US, the CBP supervisors tell me that ideally a passport, or driver’s license plus birth certificate is good. They’ll generally take just a license, but they may send you to the naughty bench for further checking. Depends on the agent’s mood, or if you look suspicious. I kind of do, but they can also tell I cross often, and they probably know why.
And there is a naughty bench, in front of a computer that can find out about that speeding ticket when you were 17. They are hooked into *everything.*
All that said, if you’re a citizen, you can walk up naked, and you will be admitted to the US. They cannot deny you. They can do the naughty bench routine, though, and there will be questions.
About that real ID issue, some of the illegal aliens who have the CDL licenses also have that gold star in the corner, indicating that it is a real ID. So, the system broke down somewhere.
There are two driver’s license/state ID standards. One is Real ID, which has a star on the front corner. The other is Enhanced ID, which works a lot like the passport card, but is only acceptable as a passport in the western hemisphere, and not all of that.
For crossing from Mexico, Enhanced ID is good. Real ID will probably get you in without hassle–depends on the agent’s mood. Real ID plus birth cert will get you in free of hassle.
Only 5 states issue enhanced ID: Michigan, Minnesota, Washington, Vermont and New York. Ohio is getting ready.
Note that all of these states also issue the Real ID, which is good for flying in the US. Enhanced ID has some requirements beyond those for Real ID.
@fullmoon, despite what leftists sites say, the vast majority of ICE encounters with illegals are still specific people they’re looking for. As a “normal whitey,” you’re not on their list, and so you are unlikely to be bothered. And “whiteness” isn’t the key anyhow; I read recently about a murderer from Georgia (in the Caucasus) being picked up. So legal residents and citizens MIGHT find themselves having to prove citizenship if they are hanging around with someone illegally present who is on ICE’s list, but in general citizens don’t need to worry.
Liz says
About that real ID issue, some of the illegal aliens who have the CDL licenses also have that gold star in the corner, indicating that it is a real ID. So, the system broke down somewhere.”
I’m pretty sure that a couple of hundred bucks down in eastside san jose will buy a counterfeit. I wonder if ICE scans ids to make sure they are legit.
“Kate on November 20, 2025 at 7:56 pm said:
@fullmoon, despite what leftists sites say, the vast majority of ICE encounters with illegals are still specific people they’re looking for.”
Yeah, and the dems are winning propaganda battle with vids of women getting arrested in public. Hafta get more vids and pix of the bad guys. Only place I see them is on right sites.
If ICE has to bust a sympathetic figure, do it middle of night, at their home, without body army. Get in, get out, avoid the dangerous crowds.
@fullmoon:Imagine the legals wouldn’t want to chance it. Avoid aggravation of proving they are legal. Can’t really blame ’em.
The law says they have to have their papers on them at all times. Legal immigrants have no trouble proving their status whenever demanded if they have obeyed the law.
One of the biggest barriers to cleaning up the mess immigration is in, is that so few Americans are familiar with what the laws on the books actually are and just go with impressions and caricatures from popular culture.
It doesn’t help that credulous reporters buy into the bullshit exaggerations. “OMG they totally called in artillery on a day care center to seize all the children!”
‘How would I, as a normal whitey…’
My husband and I have fun kicking this one around.
Please to answer the following questions;
Who shot first? Greedo or Han?
The last name of Priscilla and Lisa Marie?
Complete the following sentence.
‘One small step for man, …
BTW, my half ‘whitey’ half ‘chinesey’ grand boys know the answers.
Love to hear your suggestions, all.
The cynical, emotion-based Demoncrat actions/appeals in support of illegal immigration/immigrants are emblematic of the faux toxic empathy which is destroying (or has destroyed) our country!
It should be simple: everyone needs to obey our laws, and our laws should be enforced without politicization or favoritism.
I now it’s a generality but for a lot of people you can guess who might be Illegals and sure seems to be a lot in se Pa.
Immigration laws are well spelled out, the bluring of them has gone on for decades with the BS we need Immigration reform. I always heard that as Let them all in as fast as they can get here. The Auto-Pen administration didn’t surprise me at all.
“Molly Brown on November 20, 2025 at 11:53 pm said:
‘How would I, as a normal whitey…’
My husband and I have fun kicking this one around…”
l, hafta admit, I didn’t know first one. lol.
Saw an old war movie where spys were suspected. One soldier asks another to name famous baseball players. Suspect doesn’t follow sports , so doesn’t know, asks questioner to name American opera singers(or something). Point made.
(Now I’m gonna wonder which movie that was. )
“Selfy on November 21, 2025 at 12:43 am said:
The cynical, emotion-based Demoncrat actions/appeals in support of illegal immigration/immigrants are emblematic of the faux toxic empathy which is destroying (or has destroyed) our country!”
Suspect many protesters and sympathizers are rioting against the right, rather than for the illegals. Basically following the crowd.
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d). Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.
Apparently the “conviction” part is what has the protesters confused. Conviction suggests a trial.
@fullmoon:Apparently the “conviction” part is what has the protesters confused. Conviction suggests a trial.
No idea what you’re getting at here. You wondered how could people be expected to prove they are legal. I told you that the law requires such people to carry their papers on them at all times and so if they follow the law, proving they are legal is no additional burden. Whether or not they get convicted for not carrying their papers is a different issue from being able to show they are legal, which is easy for them if they obey the law.
A legal immigrant is required to carry their papers at all times, they should have no problem proving their status 24 hours a day, and there’s an end on it.
Should an immigrant be surprised without their papers, two possibilities are there:
1) They are illegal, have no papers to show, and should be deported.
2) They are legal, but failed to carry their papers, and they can be punished just for that, but they would almost certainly not be deported; whether they are punished for the lapse or merely admonished and let go is fundamentally up to the executive and a court, just like if you get pulled over and don’t have your proof of insurance or driver’s license on you.
If you don’t know any immigrants well or never had dealings with immigration yourself it’s natural to wonder, but now you’ve been informed. The issue you raised is not a problem for legal immigrants who follow the law. It’s no harder for legal immigrants to prove their status when demanded than it is for you to show your driver’s license when pulled over while driving a car.
Should an immigrant be surprised without their papers, two possibilities are there:
1) They are illegal, have no papers to show, and should be deported.
2) They are legal, but failed to carry their papers, and they can be punished just for that, but they would almost certainly not be deported;
So, you are ICE. Alien has no papers. You write him a ticket, or you toss ’em in the truck?
Protesters say write a ticket, go through the court system.
@fullmoon:Alien has no papers. You write him a ticket, or you toss ’em in the truck?
You know, of course, that legal immigrant biometrics are on file?
So toss in the truck, just like you might get cuffed and stuffed if you are driving without your license and proof of insurance and you give the cop a hinky vibe. Not the same as “deported”. The truck does not go straight to Mexico, just like the squad car does not take you straight to prison.
Take him to whatever the ICE equivalent of the stationhouse is, if he is a legal immigrant check his biometrics in the system, send him home the next day after you find out he is who he says he is, maybe with a charge for violating Federal law, maybe not.
If he’s not, he’s an illegal, he gets process but it’s not “the court system”, not the same one the rest of us have anyway. Aliens have no right to live here, they have a privilege, and those here not awarded that privilege are not entitled to much process, according to the laws that are actually on the books and not fictional ones invented by activists–but sure they will get all that process, the little they are entitled to.
Those aliens who have been granted the privilege can very easily lose it for technicalities, just like you can lose your driver’s license for refusing a breathalyzer in many states, even if you’re weren’t drunk. They can even lose it at Marc Rubio’s discretion, just because he doesn’t like their face. That’s the law that exists.
It’s not hard. The “protestors” and activists are pretending it’s hard and there’s no process to fool the ignorant. But you’re informed now and won’t be fooled and won’t be repeating their talking points any more, I am sure.
8 USC 1201:
The laws do not say what the activists want people to believe they say.
“So toss in the truck,”
Yep. Here in California:
” Live Scan fingerprinting is a legal requirement designed to protect public safety by allowing the DMV to perform a background check as a prerequisite to obtaining an license. The fingerprint data that you provide when you come in and get fingerprinted is submitted to the California Department of Justice (DOJ).”
With today’s tech, seems a portable fingerprint gizmo could identify legals on the spot.
@fullmoon:With today’s tech, seems a portable fingerprint gizmo could identify legals on the spot.
Sure, but it won’t kill them to a) follow the law and carry their papers or b) have to sit downtown for a few hours while it gets sorted out because they couldn’t be arsed to do a).
No different from you driving without your license on you. Yeah, explain things to the cop, tell him your name and address, he can look you up, he doesn’t have to take your keys–but you should have been carrying it in the first place, the law says you have to when you drive, and all that hassle would have been avoided if you did what the law said to do. And if the cop takes your keys and writes you up, he may be an asshole, and you may waste time and money dealing with the consequences, but the law says he can do that, and you had an easy out you didn’t take.
“Sure, but it won’t kill them to a) follow the law and carry their papers or b) have to sit downtown for a few hours while it gets sorted out”
Yep. That’s what is happening, and makes sense.
How do they sort it out downtown? Facial recognition software or something?
Have a relative retrieve the forgotten papers? Has to be more than just run the perps name through the system.
@fullmoon:How do they sort it out downtown? Facial recognition software or something?
Could be. That’s how Global Entry determines who I am when I reenter the country, and I’m not even usually asked for my passport. Legal aliens have their biometrics on file including photographs and digital fingerprints. Here’s the State Department website that explains it.
But when you get pulled over and you don’t have your driver’s license, they can still establish who you are eventually if you don’t make it hard for them–if you have a valid driver’s license. Same thing for legal aliens.
I have many legal aliens, immigrant and non-immigrant, among my friends, family, and colleagues, and every single one of them knows what the law requires them to do and does it. Consequently they have no trouble. There are internet forums frequented by legal aliens where they talk about such things all day long. It is really not hard to comply with the rules or find out what they are, you just have to pay attention to the stuff you sign and the paperwork you fill out.
For U.S. Visas the chosen biometric identifier method is a digital photo and electronic fingerprints. All fingers of a visa applicant are electronically scanned in a quick, inkless process during the consular officer’s interview with the applicant….
The electronic data from the ten fingerprints is stored in a database and is made available at U.S. ports-of-entry to Department of Homeland Security immigration inspectors
This is good. Seems that questionables could be transported to a nearby safe area and run through the system. Maybe have a bus set up to run them through Save time for us and them.
Maybe they are already doing it.
@fullmoon:Maybe they are already doing it.
There’s no “maybe” about it. They are already doing it. They don’t throw them in a truck and drop them off in Mexico without some stops along the way to be sure they know who they have and where they ought to go. ICE’s helpful website outlines the process:
ICE’s helpful website lets you find someone who is detained.
“Maybe have a bus set up to run them through Save time for us and them.
Maybe they are already doing it.”
Clarification: Maybe ICE has portable stations where they can check status and simplify process.
@fullmoon:Maybe ICE has portable stations where they can check status and simplify process.
They could, but like I said, legal aliens following the law will never be inconvenienced if they follow the law and carry their papers, and ICE is not obligated to maximize convenience for those they detain. I’m sure ICE is not trying to create extra work for themselves and uses all the streamlining that is practical and legal.
If legal aliens caught without documents have to go to a holding facility for some hours, good reminder to carry their papers as the law requires. One time I got pulled over, didn’t have my driver’s license, and I got inconvenienced for a couple of hours, and I remembered next time. You want to drive, you carry a valid license. You want to be a noncitizen present in the US, you carry your paperwork. Very simple.
Call me cynical. It’s possible legal immigrants are being paid by open borders activists to not carry the necessary papers to create the narrative of how cruel the Trump administration is.
@Brian E:It’s possible legal immigrants are being paid by open borders activists to not carry the necessary papers to create the narrative of how cruel the Trump administration is.
LOL. Some volunteer! No doubt taking inspiration from Rosa Parks, an activist who volunteered to ride in the front of the bus because she was considered ideal from a legal perspective and had the backing of her organization.
And in this indignant article you have to get all the way to the bottom to find out that the “ICE agent” doesn’t even work for ICE. The family’s attorney is trying to make it about ICE, when ICE isn’t even involved. The article does not say who the “public official” who “detained” the teen actually works for. For SOME REASON.
But the reality is, it was just some guy who may work for some government in some capacity who was being an asshole, and not ICE rounding up teens who weren’t doin nuthin.
“teens who weren’t doin nuthin.”
Wasn’t that the title of a song in the 60’s?
The Biden Administration letting millions of illegals pour into our country had a two fold purpose.
First, flood the country with people from generally more socialist countries who would likely support and vote Democrat.
Second. since the Decennial Census counts “persons” and not “citizens” for the purpose of determining Congressional representation, all of those illegals—mostly clustered in states like California—would give Democrats more votes in Congress.
When everyone talks about all of the illegals who have poured into our country, the numbers they reference vary—was the number 11 million, 20 million, 30 or more million?—same thing when people talk about how many unaccompanied children were let in without any track being kept of them—300 thousand, 400 thousand?—no one apparently knows for sure.
So, does this mean that whichever agencies within the Biden Administration which were supposed to keep track of these numbers were just ordered to look the other way. and to make no effort at all to gather accurate and complete statistics?