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What is the left’s goal in staging these LA riots?

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Commenter “Bauxite” wonders:

Understanding that this is being driven by the leftmost flank of the American left, I still can’t see how it makes sense. Trump is at his strongest on law and order and illegal immigration. They’ve changed the subject from tariffs and the the so-called big beautiful bill to illegal immigration and leftist rioting.

Trump’s enemies ride to the rescue again. Credit to Trump for sending in the national guard right away this time.

It would indeed seem to play into Trump’s hands, and Bauxite is hardly the only person making such an observation. For example, there’s this from Democrat strategist Chuck Rocha, saying very much the same thing (I can’t embed the video, but that’s the link; it’s about a minute long).

So why does the left do this? I think there are many reasons. First of all, their base loves it. Secondly, it sows chaos and might actually impede some of the deportations, which stymies Trump and causes more chaos. But I believe the deeper desire is to provoke a strong reaction from Trump that can then be labeled in all the ways they love to label Trump: he’s a fascist and a power-mad brutal dictator. Today it’s the illegal criminal aliens, tomorrow it will be you!

It’s a classic leftist move. Their playbook – in US history, anyway – is the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago. I wrote a piece back in 2006 about this leftist strategy. Most of the remainder of the present post will be quotes from that 2006 article, and I believe the relevance is obvious (the Horowitz link no longer works, however).

This contemporaneous article from Time magazine (hardly a right-wing fringe publication) discusses the intent of the leaders of the 1968 Chicago Convention demonstrations:

“[The protestors] left Chicago more as victors than as victims. Long before the Democratic Convention assembled, the protest leaders who organized last week’s marches and melees realized that they stood no chance of influencing the political outcome or reforming “the system.” Thus their strategy became one of calculated provocation. The aim was to irritate the police and the party bosses so intensely that their reactions would look like those of mindless brutes and skull-busters. After all the blood, sweat and tear gas, the dissidents had pretty well succeeded in doing just that.”

Some demonstrators came prepared; defensively:

“…many were equipped with motorcycle crash helmets, gas masks (purchasable at $4.98 in North Side army-navy surplus stores), bail money and anti-Mace unguents.”

And a few, offensively:

“A handful of hard-liners in the “violence bag” also carried golf balls studded with spikes, javelins made of snow-fence slats, aerosol cans full of caustic oven-cleaning fluids, ice picks, bricks, bottles, and clay tiles sharpened to points that would have satisfied a Cro-Magnon bear hunter.”

The leaders were also prepared:

“Most of the protest leaders stayed in the background. Mobilization Chairman David Tyre Dellinger, 53, the shy editor-publisher of Liberation, who led last fall’s Pentagon March, studiously avoided the main confrontation before the Hilton. His chief aide, Tom Hayden, 28, a New Left author who visited Hanoi three years ago, was so closely tailed by plainclothesmen that he finally donned a yippie-style wig to escape their attentions. Nonetheless, he was arrested. Rennie Davis, 28, the clean-cut son of a Truman Administration economic adviser, took a more active part as one of the Chicago organizers: his aim, he said, was ‘to force the police state to become more and more visible, yet somehow survive in it.’ At Grant Park on Wednesday afternoon, he both succeeded and failed….”

And here’s David Horowitz’s insider-turned-apostate version:

“In fact, the famous epigram from ’68 ‘Demand the Impossible’ which Talbot elsewhere cites, explains far more accurately why it was Hayden, not Daley, who set the agenda for Chicago, and why it was Hayden who was ultimately responsible for the riot that ensued. The police behaved badly, it is true and they have been justly and roundly condemned for their reactions. But those reactions were entirely predictable. After all, it was Daley who, only months before, had ordered his police to ‘shoot looters on sight’ during the rioting after King’s murder. In fact the predictable reaction of the Chicago police was an essential part of Hayden’s calculation in choosing Chicago as the site of the demonstration in the first place.”

… The organizers of the demonstrations in Chicago in 1968 … [had this intent]: to act from a weakened position to provoke, by their actions, a repressive response from authorities (in this case, the police) that would then further inflame public opinion against those authorities, and engender more sympathy for the cause of the planners.

In that endeavor, they were wildly successful in Chicago, but that success required an overreaction on the part of the Chicago police, who kindly obliged and played their predicted part in the drama.

And what of other intents of the demonstration leaders, and other consequences? Horowitz again:

“In a year when any national ‘action’ would attract 100,000 protestors, only about 10,000 (and probably closer to 3,000) actually showed up for the Chicago blood-fest. That was because most of us realized there was going to be bloodshed and didn’t see the point. Our ideology argued otherwise as well. The two-party system was a sham; the revolution was in the streets. Why demonstrate at a political convention? In retrospect, Hayden was more cynical and shrewder than we were. By destroying the presidential aspirations of Hubert Humphrey, he dealt a fatal blow to the anti-Communist liberals in the Democratic Party and paved the way for a takeover of its apparatus by the forces of the political left, a trauma from which the party has yet to recover.

One reason the left has obscured these historical facts is that the nostalgists don’t really want to take credit for electing Richard Nixon, which they surely did.”

That’s the end of my excerpts from my own 2006 post. And yes, many of the excesses of the left during the Biden administration helped re-elect Donald Trump. At this point, however, the left is well aware (despite their rhetoric) that this is Trump’s final term as president. They seem to be playing a longer game. Will they succeed? It depends on the American public. The way in which we get information, and the attitudes with which we digest that information, are quite different these days than in 1968. But although I don’t think the left is so stupid as to not understand how bad the current riots look to a lot of people, and that there is indeed a danger of playing into Trump’s hands, I suspect they think there may be some distinct advantages for the left in the long run.

I certainly hope they are very very wrong about that. But I believe that is their calculation.

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What is the left’s goal in staging these LA riots? — 64 Comments

  1. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” – Saul Alinsky, “Rules for Radicals”.

  3. Quite — and according to that LA ABC tv anchor — they “enjoy” the “fun watching cars burn”, or in alternative cases, looting and ransacking Apple Stores, Jordan Stores, sushi joints, clothing stores, convenience stores and so on, as opportunites present. Great fun, great profit, great success, all at the behest of their local political representatives in their mayors, governor and city bigwigs.

  4. although I don’t think the left is so stupid as to not understand how bad the current riots look to a lot of people, and that there is indeed a danger of playing into Trump’s hands, I suspect they think there may be some distinct advantages for the left in the long run.

    I’m wondering what advantages they believe they’ll achieve? Currently I’m not convinced that the Left has a truly effective, deep strategy at this point beyond the business-as-usual stuff they’ve always done. So far these riots don’t seem to be achieving any sort of sympathy for the Leftist open border cause, or at least nothing significant beyond their hardcore base. In fact I would say that these riots are instead driving many regular people away from said cause. I really don’t get it.

    Of course I could be completely wrong and it’ll turn out that they do in fact have some truly, deep longer term 4D chess type strategy.

  5. I’ve seen it suggested that this LA rioting is merely a bit of pre-game practice, polishing up tactics and logistics operations in preparation for the big shows to come later this summer, following new and exciting triggers for action.

  6. Nonapod:

    I definitely think it’s their strategy now. But I don’t think it’s likely to be anywhere near as effective this time as it was in the 1960s. Remember, also, it took a while for it to bear fruit in the 1960s as well – it was later, in the 1970s, that the left did very well (also after Watergate).

  8. The rabble on the street aren’t the sort of people who have any plans or strategies. The question, as always, is what game Soros is playing.

  9. It’s an excellent question.

    I’ve been studying the far left off and on for the last few years.

    The far left has four goals. One is to destabilize society. They want chaos. They want to tear everything down because every norm, every structure, every tradition is somehow linked to capitalism. Which they absolutely want to destroy and abolish.

    There’s an inner logic to the chaos and madness. Tear. Down. Everything. Because that prepares the way for Revolution.

  11. Neo: I’m uncertain if all that 1960s bad behavior was the thing that yielded the Left’s later success in the 70s and onward. It seems to me that it was rather the Left’s gradual infiltration of higher education (and eventually lower education too), the entertainment industry, the mainstream media, and government in general that lead to their later successess. It seems like the various riots and unrest that occurred during the 60s weren’t the thing that succeeded. It was when they got smart and calculating rather than throwing temper tantrums that they gained ground in the culture.

  12. One is reminded lenin staged a uprjsing in july after the kornilov maneuver which kerensky fumbled which cleared the decks for the real one in october (mcmeekin is the best recent account on the matter)

  13. I can tell you this: when I look at any leftist protest at all these days, I do feel like one of the squares from the 60’s. The man in a suit and tie. The woman in a dress at the supermarket. The people who exercised self-control and decorum and courtesy. What I feel is repulsed. I’m looking at something ugly and destructive. I don’t think I’m alone.

    I think the last protest movement that really accomplished anything was the civil rights movements led by Martin Luther King Jr. And they did it by practicing non-violent civil disobedience. Those black people knew they were going to get arrested, put in jail, and prosecuted. They knew they were going to get attacked and beaten up. They chose not to fight back, even in self-defense, because even though guys like Bull Connor wouldn’t be embarrassed to beat them up, the people up north would look at the images and be repulsed, like they were looking at something distasteful and destructive.

    The protestors today don’t even think they should be stopped from committing violent acts, much less arrested and put in jail. The leaders and financers of this movement are counting on a lack of civilized behavior combined with that stunning lack of self-awareness. Their movement appeals to the inchoate, not the rational or explicable. They have far more in common with Ernst Rohm than they do with MLK. And I think they’re fine with that.

  14. Nonapod:

    It certainly was the result of many things, nor just one. But the police reaction to the Chicago riots, as well as the Kent State shootings, were extremely important, IMHO. I was in college at the time and remember it well.

  15. Maybe this is all about greasing the skids for a later planned Oct. 7 type assault. The agencies that at high cost to taxpayers are tasked with response have a long history now of standing around and doing nothing. A lot of physical destruction of our city took place with the horrendous lead-up to the Palisades Fire and the meager and delayed reaction. The make-up of many of the 10M illegals who entered over the last 4 years weren’t looking for jobs picking lettuce.

  16. @Nonapod:It seems to me that it was rather the Left’s gradual infiltration of higher education (and eventually lower education too), the entertainment industry, the mainstream media, and government in general that lead to their later successess.

    Worth unpacking. Mentioned here many times before, “the long march through the institutions”. But what we never get into is why they were able to do that.

    To the Left nothing is more important than advancing the goals of the Left. The institutions wanted to advance the goals of the institutions, and hired by norms of fairness and merit. That’s how the Left got in: they use the institutions’ commitment to fairness and merit in service of its own goals to get their feet in the door, then they take them over and pervert them to the Left’s goals.

    Doesn’t matter if it’s higher education, health insurance, finance, sportscasting, sitcom writing, whatever.

    The obvious response follows. People who are not on the Left need to reject Leftists whenever they find them, no matter how qualified they may be. Or they will just keep doing the same thing again. Following a set of fairness and merit rules is what got us here. Time to try a different set of rules.

  17. These riots are being funded by NGOs and non-profits that get taxpayer money, in effect using our own knife to slit our own throats. Then there are the communist billionaires (no, that’s not a non sequitur) who do it for sport. And a large part of the upper and upper middle classes support it as a way peacocking: “see, I can support these obviously dumb and dangerous things because I enjoy a high enough socioeconomic status that I can avoid the consequences of my political choices.” The latter is mainly driven by AWFLs (affluent, white, female liberals) who care deeply what complete strangers think of them, while caring nothing what the negative consequences may be for their less affluent neighbors, friends, and relatives.

  19. I saw an announcement for a ‘No Kings’ protest on June 14 on Facebook from an old friend of mine who is a journalist and not usually political at all. I looked that up on the internet and it seems as if the folk who don’t like Trump will be out full force on Saturday as they are holding a Military Parade in D.C. This seems to be a well organized effort for the left to make a mess on Trump’s Birthday and I have no idea what cold be done to counteract this crap.

  20. To paraphrase Puck: ‘Oh what Fools these Leftists be!’.

    They have no understanding how many folks outside their bubbles will be more than happy to find them in their sights and squeeeeze. Destroy any order and bring in anarchy and that’s what will happen.

    MS-13 in El Salvador generated its own Nemesis in La Sombra Negra.

    Soros & his acolytes are overplaying their hand.

  21. Rick67

    If there really is chaos in places other than left/prog hellholes does the left really think they can control anything? These occasions are usually used for settling scores.

  22. A lot of political idealists of all stripes, but esp. on the Left, and double especially academics and students, live in a mental world of _abstractions_. Theoretical ideals. So they are often blind to practical realities and consequences until it’s too late.

  23. ”So why does the left do this?”

    I’ve been hearing about the planned riots this summer for a couple of months, enough to catch a glimpse of their thinking but probably not a full understanding.

    First, these riots put Trump, ICE, and federal law enforcement on the defensive instead of being on offense. This gives breathing room to the illegal aliens.

    Second, they believe that it was the riots that took down Trump in 2020, and they’re going to do the same to him again this year. Riots so big and powerful so as to force Trump and his allies out of power for good.

    Third, they firmly believe that Trump is planning to seize permanent power, establish concentration camps all across the country, and send all of the brown people in the country to the gas chambers. This summer is their last chance to stop Trump before he puts his evil plan into effect.

    That’s the lens through which they see the world. The Palestinian conflict is one of rich white oppressors genociding the poor brown Palestinians. The immigration issue is one of rich white oppressors ridding America of poor brown people. The troubles in Europe are the result of rich white oppressors there trying to rid that continent of poor brown people.

    They believe that this is an existential struggle between evil white oppressors and their poor brown victims. Thus, there’s no reason to hold back now. If what I’m hearing is true, L. A. is just the kickoff event, though it may not have been planned as such. It may have started as a local event that got out of hand.

    I don’t know how widespread these fears are or whether they’re held by the majority of Democrats or just the lunatic fringe. But I do know that the fringe believes it and that once riots reach a certain size, all bets are off as to the ultimate outcome.

    It could get ugly. Or it could all just fizzle out. Be prepared.

  24. Interesting bring up Ernst Rohm. Of course it didn’t end well for him either.

  26. mkent,

    Oh yes, those fears are what is exactly being expressed by the left minions. They are very fired up.

  28. By destroying the presidential aspirations of Hubert Humphrey, he dealt a fatal blow to the anti-Communist liberals in the Democratic Party and paved the way for a takeover of its apparatus by the forces of the political left…

    I wouldn’t discount this entirely as a motivation still. I don’t spend a lot of time with hard core leftists, but I do know a few. Their disrespect for the Democratic Party of Bill Clinton, and other moderate Democrats, is complete and thorough. They have no interest in it.

    Just as libertarians once dreamed of taking over the Republican Party, the left dreams of turning the Democratic Party genuinely Marxist.

  29. The left tries lots of things. Some work, Some don’t. Some are mixed.

    It’s a mistake IMO to think the left is conducting a military campaign with well-defined goals and strategies. It’s more like starting fires and see if any of them get going.

    Trump’s election then his blitzkrieg execution on multiple fronts has seriously discombobulated the left. They haven’t been able to do anything coherent until now. They are desperate and feel they must do something.

    So the LA riots and now NoKings protests on Saturday are probes. They hope to provoke mistakes from the Trump administration and to find out where their strengths are.

    Remember, the left plays a long game and doesn’t mind being the underdog for a long time.

  30. “There’s an inner logic to the chaos and madness. Tear. Down. Everything. Because that prepares the way for Revolution.” Rick67

    “They have no understanding how many folks outside their bubbles will be more than happy to find them in their sights and squeeeeze. Destroy any order and bring in anarchy and that’s what will happen.” David

    “So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

  31. Just as libertarians once dreamed of taking over the Republican Party, the left dreams of turning the Democratic Party genuinely Marxist.
    ==
    The term ‘Marxist’ ought to be retired. Not sure which ‘libertarians’ ‘dreamed of taking over the Republican Party’. There are soi-disant libertarians in the Republican congressional caucus, but they’re a single-digit set and not likely to think they’re in any danger of taking over the Republican Party. There is the Libertarian Party, but they’re not people attempting to take over the Republican Party. Libertarian publicists and academics either expect little of politicians (see the Ayn Rand Institute, Richard Epstein, or Thos. Sowell) or are conventional academicians who despise the Republican Party (some more vociferously than others – see the Mercatus Center crew for examples).
    ==
    Yes, PBS is an extension of the DNC press office.

  32. Not sure which ‘libertarians’ ‘dreamed of taking over the Republican Party

    Oh! Me!! And a whole bunch of people I was reading in the early 80’s.

  33. the base of the party is far left, you want to call it aggressive social democracy, I call it marxist, is as far left as the Labour Party the SDP or En Marche, ymmv is the Gop more to the right than the Tories the Christian Democrats or the Gaillist possibly but not by much

    I would put Sowell and Williams on a different plane than those others,

    Jack Kemp was probably more libertarian then most, with Dick Armey probably a close second those who speak in the former’s name would probably dissapoint him if he were still alive, he’d be a sprightly 88 now,

    this coordination of left parties and factions proceeded roughly similarly all across western europe, the IRA, BRigatte Rosse, Action Directe, were the armed wing of militancy, because reasons, the war, the generational dynamic,

  34. Death throes of a political party. This is existential for the rat bastards and they know it.

  35. There is speculation that this riot is just a trial run for another nationwide ‘summer of love’. If so, it is likely to force Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act, of particular relevance is #2 of section §253

    10 USC Ch. 13: INSURRECTION

    §253. Interference with State and Federal law

    “The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it;

    (1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

    (2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

    So active opposition to and/or obstruction of lawful authorities acting to execute the laws of the United States can result in a conviction of insurrection. Up to 10 years in a federal prison may result. Nor would this be political prosecution, though the left would certainly declare it to be. But since we no longer care what they have to say, they can go pound sand for all we care.

  36. Geoffrey Britain:

    I believe that’s the Act he has already cited under which he sent the National Guard.

  37. the left parties in the West, seemed to mimic the US, only more so, the Labour the Socialist, the Social Democrats, with one wing moving toward direct action, there was no particularly native militancy in the UK, although there was scottish as well
    as irish sectionalism, Actione Directe, Red Army Faction, Brigatte Rossi, The ETA they were only tangentially driven by the Vietnam war, but it was a factor, generational turnover with a certain cultural amnesia,
    a coincidence that all these factions were all sympathetic to the Soviets, if not directly supported by them

  38. Leftists take to the streets, to the barricades, even when, in the case of the LA riots, it politically plays right into the hands of their enemy, Trump. It reveals that they are shallow and conformist, propelled more by youthful romanticism than independent and serious thought.

  39. Actually they are “propelled” by the frisson of DESTRUCTION…of individuals,
    of groups,
    of cities,
    of states,
    of governments,
    of countries…
    and of society.

    Short version: the Democratic Party is the party of nihilism, of destruction and of copious corruption (since they might as well make some money from all their tireless efforts to protect destroy the country and its inhabitants thereof…).

  40. My thoughts were that the current Administration is probably wise to much of what is going on, and would be “following the money”. And at Ace, what do I find?
    Kash Patel: The FBI is Investigating the Financing Behind the Terrorist Riots. I expect no less from him. He is an IC (Intelligence Community). The FBI has the tools and expertise to track this sort of thing down, and he has the support of his boss, AG Bondi, to do just that.

    I expect that a number of foreign actors are involved – at least Mexico and China. That opens up the FISA databases, and maybe even FISA surveillance warrants.

    They were already using electronic surveillance assets, including planes and drones, against the Mexican cartels. And guess who is supplying the Mexican cartels with their fentanyl precursors? The cartels who run at least part of Mexico? Yes, our primary geopolitical opponent- China. Patel made a big thing about that in his Rogan interview.

    The best way to counter this sort of thing is to arrest and prosecute the high level funders and organizers. And keep broadcasting video of the “mostly peaceful” demonstrations. All those foreign flags and Muslim headscarves just reinforce one of the big reasons that Trump was elected. Those out waiving those flags are mostly foreigners first, with loyalties to their home countries, and not this one. There is little tolerance for that in much of Trump’s base.

  41. meanwhile La Monica McIver come on down, you win the steak knives, (a three count indictment,) for that last bit of theatre, in the ins detention center,

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  44. Ha! IMO they are actually risking California.
    The abysmal response to the fires last winter, now this.
    These events have proven government’s ineffectiveness; and that is a charitable assessment.
    California has become a high stress environment. There are limits to tolerance. It cannot escape notice that one party has been in control for a long time.
    My Sheriff in Riverside County, who is running for Governor, says, ‘not on my watch’.

  45. A lot of the comments here I can find alignment with. ‘Overplaying their hand’, yes, in the sense that Progressive Democrats right now have a lot less political and financial capital, compared to a year ago. You can’t bluff and raise without a big pile of chips in front of you – you’ll have to fold or be called. In the past they’ve been able to win using ‘bluff and raise’.

    The reorganization of USAID to strip out most of the money laundering has hurt them badly, and the billionaires won’t be willing to make up the balance without risking actual self-destruction. My belief is, they won’t be doing this. And politically, the ProgDem’s are still doing things out of muscle memory, things that no longer work, things that are actually turning their base away. And their base is recognizing that an organization that keeps to a losing strategy because they can’t think up a new one, is not a winner.

    They’re going to try very hard to make the US Army’s 250th birthday, and Flag Day, and the big Army parade that’s planned for this, all about Trump’s Birthday, and Trump proclaiming himself ‘king’. Does anybody really think this is a winning strategy, when it’s so obvious what the celebration is for? I wonder if Trump came up with this idea to troll them into thinking the worst and getting out over their skis.

    I read somebody’s comment that they thought Democrats riot during Republican administrations, so that people will vote for them to make the rioting stop. They’ll vote, even knowing that it’s the Democrats that cause the riots, in other words. They just want the riots to stop.

    But…… looking at the polling numbers, I’m not so sure that this is a good horse to bet on. I’m thinking that, 6 months into his term, people are not suddenly going to be tired of riots, when they were tired of Progressive Democrats and their sh*t, tired enough to vote otherwise, 9 months ago. I think Democrats might be running the fastest horse in the glue factory, and further ruining their brand.

  46. @Oldflyer: Ha! IMO they are actually risking California.

    I’m inclined to agree. At this point they aren’t just messing with middle-class Californians, but with the rich ones in Hollywood and Silicon Valley.

    Plus they are losing blacks, hispanics, and the young.

  47. Globalize the Intifada, anybody?

    “American Intifada”
    http://jewishworldreview.com/0625/McCarthy061025.php
    H/T Powerline blog.

    Dan McCarthy’s onto something critical in this post.
    OTOH, he comes up quite a bit short in the middle, feeling it necessary to bring in the January 6 protesters to further illustrate his point; but he’s wrong about that.

    It’s baffling to me why he doesn’t seem to have understood this….

  50. It’s very obvious, they want to write more folk songs
    I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night….

    .

  52. Related: “Manfactured Mayhem”….

    “How America Learned to Spot Manufactured Mayhem”—
    https://instapundit.com/725220/
    Opening graf:

    With 40 million illegal immigrants in the country, foreign flags raised in burning American cities, and Democrats openly cheering for violence, we’ve crossed from civil unrest into something far more dangerous.…”

  53. The goal is to create another Kent State, and they would be truly delighted to have martyrs to parade around for the cause.

  54. The left has had huge success with riots in Trump 1.0 from Portland to the summer of George, with little negatives.

    Trump learned from Portland, and this time has the military, fbi, and doj behind him. Trump is acting very different with this summer of Jorge, than was done with Portland.

    He’s forcing Newsom and Bass to take the overall blame / responsibility for law and order in LA, while he only defends a building.

    The nationalizing of the ca guard was a brilliant move, not done in 60 years. This time Trump has good legal advice and my gut feeling is he deliberately provoked the left to riot in la. Trump started deportations with criminals and this riot is shattering the Overton window on mass deportations.

  55. @Bruce Hayden:The FBI has the tools and expertise to track this sort of thing down

    LOL, a phone, a browser and an internet connection? They print the names of the organizations on the signs, the organizations file Form 990 every year saying who their leaders are and where they bank, and they submit 1099s for everything they pay for, and they use PayPal and Stripe for collecting donations which go through Visa and Mastercard.

    These people don’t need to be ferreted out by undercover operatives, their dead drops of unmarked bills intercepted. They are operating quite openly.

  56. Zelensky to Trump:

    Zelenskyy: “First of all, during the war, everybody has problems, even you. But you have nice ocean and don’t feel now. But you will feel it in the future. God bless –”

    Trump: “You don’t know that. You don’t know that. Don’t tell us what we’re going to feel. We’re trying to solve a problem. Don’t tell us what we’re going to feel.”

    The leftist protests this summer will give cover for the cells that infiltrated. Infrastructure. Infrastructure. Infrastructure.

  57. IIRC Antifa in Portland (2019-2021) weren’t operating out and proud for all to see using Nick’s methods. Attorney General William Barr couldn’t be bothered to do anything effective against them or against CHOP of Seattle.

    WA State Patrol (IIRC) was able to catch and kill the leftist that murdered a conservative protestor in Portland in 2020/2021. The assassin tried hiding out near Olympia. Exchange of gunfire ensued, he didn’t survive.

  58. The radical left has been planning and organizing since shortly after Trump was elected. Neo is correct that these actions are intended to provoke Trump and the right to overreact. This is the first of a series of actions that will radicalize and attract even more mostly young people to their cause. As these people are mostly convinced Marxists their ultimate goal is the violent overthrow of the American government, force an end to capitalism and the establishment of a Socialist utopia.

    Many of their planning conferences are online and accessible to anyone. They are not hiding. We are not paying attention.

    Karlyn Borysenko has been exploring this for years and publishing her results online: https://karlyn.substack.com/

  59. Does anyone think that representation in the House is part of the motive? After all, illegals are counted as part of the population for representation in the House, so if all the illegals are deported, Democratic states lose seats in the House. If Trump is forced to back off deportations, that helps Democrats.

    Or am I off base there?

  60. Trying to answer my own question, I found a Pew article on it from 2020:

    “If unauthorized immigrants were excluded from the apportionment count, California, Florida and Texas would each end up with one less congressional seat than they would have been awarded based on population change alone. California would lose two seats instead of one, Florida would gain one instead of two, and Texas would gain two instead of three, according to analysis based on projections of Census Bureau 2019 population estimates and the Center’s estimates of the unauthorized immigrant population.

    “Alabama, Minnesota and Ohio would each hold onto a seat that they would have lost if apportionment were based only on total population change. Alabama filed a lawsuit in 2018 seeking to block the Census Bureau from including unauthorized immigrants in its population count.”

    So, it is at least in California’s interest to hold on to as many illegals as possible.

  61. @Thomas Doubting:Does anyone think that representation in the House is part of the motive?

    A small part, maybe: censuses are only every ten years. Having more clients for government largesse and thus increasing the power of government is a primary motive.

    It’s not necessarily the illegals getting the money, it’s the coral reef of NGOs and government programs that ostensibly serve illegals which get most of the money.

    For example, Washington State, which is #3 for homelessness, has about 32,000 homeless people. State spending on them recently has been about $1 billion per year. If each homeless person were handed a check, that would be $30K per year for each one. They’d not be homeless long: dead of alcohol poisoning maybe, or cleaned up and off the streets, but not homeless. Of course they are not getting anything like $30K in benefits. Instead, an army of government and non-profit workers are supported by that money, and they all vote D.

  63. @Niketas Choniates: So, how does that expand the power of government? More illegals means more money for NGOs and keeps some government programs afloat, if I understand you, but is that worth rioting over? Is it worth destroying parts of LA for?

  64. @Thomas Doubting:So, how does that expand the power of government?

    The more people who depend on tax money for their livelihood, the more people vote for more government.

    is that worth rioting over

    More so than the census and apportionment. It’s the same people supported by tax money as the ones who are joining the riots and funding the riots.

    Is it worth destroying parts of LA for?

    Lots of people enjoy destroying when the consequences are low. More tax money will be thrown into the clean up. Insurers will become more closely tied to the government than they are, they’ll either need government funding to pay out on the damage or they will need government funding to subsidize the eventual premiums.

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