It has been clear for a couple of weeks that Vance was the person the Left most feared being the VP out of the names floated. Vance is one of those that was beloved by the media before he figured out the plantation was a trap after all.
I think this was the right choice. The most important attribute for VP is someone who can take the MAGA movement forward after Trump. I view Vance’s relative lack of experience in Washington as a plus.
Probably the last ticket consisting of two white heterosexual males, given the turn to DEI or more accurately tribalism.
I would have preferred Youngkin but OK. Vance is a Senator and we don,t have enough of those.
Good. My “progressive” friends are freaking out. Also good.
He is 39, yes young. Look up his Wife. Her parents are from India, went to Oxford and Yale, clerked for Roberts and Kavanaugh.
The Left already hates him, so not much else they can say to/about him.
The left will surely have a bit of trouble complaining about “two white guys” when Trump is married to an immigrant and Vance’s wife is the American-born daughter of Indian immigrants.
Vance is 39, with an impressive life story already. He will balance Trump, at 78. If something were to happen, Vance is young and vigorous and could carry on. Compare to Biden, 81 and failing, and Harris, 59 and incompetent.
The reason why the Left fears a Trump second term so much is that he will be way more effective the second time around. He was inexperienced the first time. He’s learned. JD Vance is part of that new conservative team. No more Jeff Sessions.
The “tell” is the Left’s reaction to the Heritage plan know as Project 2025. Trump has his own plan and it is secret.
Pompeo back to CIA and fire all the people he should have fired last time.
Abolish the FBI per Vivek’s plan.
Vivek has spent lots of time with Trump. Vivek will be Chief of Staff.
The Deep State is going to be torn down. The climate-industrial complex will be dismantled. That’s what the Left fears.
I expect Trump will find a place for Burgum in his cabinet. Rubio too, if he does not want to stay in the senate for some reason. Don’t be surprised if Trump taps Gabbard for a cabinet position.
Great that he picks Vance, but academic, because I don’t see how Trump wins.
The Electoral College breaks down like this:
Left Coast + Hawaii, one-party states: 78
Minnesota, Illinois, one-party states: 29
Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania are “fortified for democracy”: 44
Everything on the Atlantic coast from Virginia up (excluding PA): 104
New Mexico, Colorado: 15
And there’s Biden’s 270. Sure Trump might pick off one from Maine that splits votes but so could Biden from Nebraska. Trump could also lose Georgia or North Carolina, either honestly or through shenanigans.
Kate (4:59 pm) said: “The left will surely have a bit of trouble complaining about ‘two white guys’ when Trump is married to an immigrant and Vance’s wife is the American-born daughter of Indian immigrants.”
With all respect, the left will have no such trouble. The left (figuratively) wrote the book on slinging the manure, with bile and with gusto, when and where desired.
(Also a supplementary chapter or three on complaining/whining about ‘white guys’.)
M J R, will they succeed when pictures of the Vance family with their three children are published? People do have eyes.
Remember the left had people thinking that Kyle Rittenhouse shot three black guys.
Nevermind that all three were white guys with arrest records, one of whom had been convinced on multiple counts of child molesting.
Trump’s picks for his first Administration were basically horrendous, with several of his people turning on him.
This time, I hope Trump is already starting to consider and vetting people to fill positions in his second Administration, and this time with a great deal more experience, wisdom, and care.
There have been numerous stories about how the Biden Administration purged the bureaucracy and military of people who they thought would not go along with their leftist agenda, replacing them with their own Leftist true believers.
If Trump’s coattails are long enough to give Republicans control of both the Senate and the House, his Administration should reform the laws and regulations dealing with the Civil Service, making it far easier to fire those “embedded”–tick like Biden appointees and other recalcitrant civil servants, replacing many of them with suitable candidates from the list of those purged by the Biden Administration.
P.S. The Civil Service unions and lobby will screech bloody murder, and put up a ton of opposition, but they would automatically do their best to oppose Trump in any case, so might as well try to reform the Civil Service to get a much more responsive Civil Service.
Probably good. They do seem right together, comfortable with one another. There is something to be said for synergy.
Snow, I think it was Obama and Holder who began the purge of FBI agents and military. Clinton started the leftist D O J. Bush left his termites in place.
Kate (6:20 pm) asked: “M J R, will they succeed when pictures of the Vance family with their three children are published? People do have eyes.”
Kate, your question is much more limited in scope than was the intent of my assertion. Yes, the left will ignore or downplay the mixed-race children, because yes, “people do have eyes.”
But the left can be very creative when it comes to manufacturing bilious narratives, which can have little or nothing to do with the racial characteristics of the various Vances. They will blatantly and shamelessly smear.
For that reason / those reasons, the left will have no trouble “complaining about ‘two white guys’.” Kate, I “get” where you’re coming from. But they will have plenty of manure to fling, and some of it will probably touch on the fact that the ticket will feature ‘two white guys’. They can’t help themselves. Nominating two white guys is, for their ilk, nominating Satan and Lucifer — regardless of the intersectional characteristics of their respective spouses and offspring.
They can’t help themselves
So true, and that is their weakness. If Trump is the chess master his most fervent supporters believe, he will play this like a fiddle.
The Left plays fast and loose with who’s “white” all the time. Sometimes Jews are “white”, sometimes East Asians and South Asians are “white”. Depends on who wants what and how they want to achieve it.
Didn’t do John McCain or Amy Barrett any good to have non-white children, and George W. Bush’s Mexican relatives counted for nothing. Doesn’t do Clarence Thomas any good to not be white.
The thing the Left uses “whiteness” for is to divide spoils. They have no intention of sharing spoils with anyone not with the Left. As Joe Biden said, ‘If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black’. And his words were not repudiated by the Left.
Cornhead@5:04pm: Agree.
Biden said a week ago to put a target on Trump’s back, and after the shooting mealy-mouthed the need for civility.
Democrats are rotten, evil, or both.
Republicans have repeatedly been rejected by the Congressional Black Caucus. Skin color means nothing to the radicals.
Neo’s “as expected” is expected by whom? Nothing I can find in her posts says that, even closely.
With females being greater than 50% of voters, I expected a female like Haley, not Vance. But the Trump/Vance team will go for the jugulars, Hooray!
It is a sad state that sex aka gender will determine many votes, policies and past acts are ignored.
He’s not who I would have picked, but he could be alright. I haven’t seen how well or how badly he interacts with audiences yet.
Let’s hope Team Trump/Vance can give the federal bureaucracy the thorough power washing/sand blasting it so desperately needs
Vance was interviewed at some length on Hannity’s show tonight.
He came across as knowledgeable, likeable, and quick on his feet. Of course, Hannity didn’t ask many hardball questions.
I read his book, “Hill Billy Elegy,” when it first came out in 2018. A very impressive story of how he managed to get his life together after being raised in a dysfunctional family. His grandparents helped raise him and his service in the Marine Corps taught him the self-discipline to start climbing the ladder of success.
He saw the hollowing out of the rust belt in Ohio and knows from personal experience what a disaster that’s been for this country.
I expect the MSM to try to paint him as another Dan Quale. We’ll see whether they can succeed. I think he’s going to be able to hold his own against a hostile press.
There will probably be posts on this later, but here’s the GOP platform.
Looks good to me, too.
FWIW, a lot of people have noted since 2016 that Trump is the only president they know of who actually tried to deliver on his campaign promises.
Let’s see if we can elect a few more Representatives and Senators who will do the same.
It’s interesting to me to see how Indian-Americans are quickly merging into the mainstream of the country. Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, and now Vance’s wife. Their second son is named Vivek. I suppose the hate-filled left will indeed begin treating them as “white” or “white adjacent.” What’s strange about this is that Kamala Harris is half Tamil, sharing this ethnic ancestry with Vivek Ramaswamy and, I’m guessing, Usha Vance, and yet in public she has rejected that half of herself in favor of a dubious connection with black Americans.
But the left can be very creative when it comes to manufacturing bilious narratives, which can have little or nothing to do with the racial characteristics of the various Vances. They will blatantly and shamelessly smear.
I think the direction of the smear will be “Uncle Tom.”
Last night I listened to the execrable Joy Reid expressing her “sorrow” that Tim Scott spoke at the RNC, and spoke as he did, even after not being chosen as VP. She and the other ladies (I’m using that term just to p*ss them off) with Maddow were saying Scott probably gave exactly the same speech he prepared as an acceptance speech, and they wished he’d had more “dignity” than to speak so enthusiastically after being passed over.
Reid opined that groveling was simply what Trump expects from the people of color around him – it’s the price they have to pay for proximity to the levers of power, even though of course we all know he would never actually choose one of them.
She is SUCH a tool.
Kate –
The left will claim that Vance’s marriage is for appearance only, and that his wife is a token. It’s a playbook that they’ve run in the past.
It’s ridiculous the lengths that some on the left on this matter.
Appearances only don’t usually produce three children.
I expect the MSM to try to paint him as another Dan Quale.
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They won’t do that. They’ll try some other narrative. Quayle’s shortcomings (real but exaggerated) are not Vance’s and they’d look ridiculous trying to pretend they are.
The left will claim that Vance’s marriage is for appearance only, and that his wife is a token. It’s a playbook that they’ve run in the past.
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You could argue that Bill Clinton and John Kennedy had a marriage for appearances. By the time they ran for President, only a residue was left of the marriages of Franklin Roosevelt and Edward Kennedy. Judith Viorst, Woodward & Bernstein, and, in a petty way, Doris Kearns Goodwin attempted to propagate that line in re the Nixons, as part of the chatterati’s long running war on undemonstrative people. It’s a sub rosa element in discussions of Melania Trump.
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Regrettably, the most frequent discussion I’ve seen in the last 20 years accusing someone of having a marriage-for-appearances has been in re the Obamas. There are so many authentic reasons to slam the Obamas it’s an irony that people waste their verbiage on a nonsense one.
It looks as though Vance will play the Agnew role in the campaign. Pat Buchanan traveled with and loved the guy. I think he was the only Nixon rep at his funeral. Vance is a lot smarter than Agnew was but I suspect it will be entertaining.
Mr. Vance has led an interesting life filled with many highs and perhaps more lows. He appears to have remembered and learned from those. He has come from nothing to be a very successful person that has himself said that he wouldn’t have gotten to where he is if he hadn’t learned the lessons of his past life.
In that respect, I guess he is not “unburdened by what has been.” Good on him.
We hope that it won’t become necessary (for the good of the world) to put the UK down like a rabid animal. But if any of us became a danger to ourselves and others, we’d want our friends to do the right thing.
I’m on record as being a fan of Vance. I think the pick is positive – though potentially an indication that Trump’s internal polls show him to be well ahead of Biden or Kamala. I don’t think that Vance helps him in the election the way that Youngkin or (perish the thought) Haley would have.
On the whole, though, if the ticket can win, Vance gives me optimism that a second Trump administration will be run a little better than the first. Vance is a smart man with experience in the military as well as at the highest levels of academia (Yale Law), and business (Peter Thiel’s venture capital firm). I don’t think that Vance is inclined to undermine Trump behind his back. And from his writings, public appearances, and the testimony of those who work with him, he doesn’t seem to have forgotten where he came from. Hopefully this is a sign that the clown show of Trump’s first administration isn’t going to be repeated.
My only concern with the pick is that I don’t want JD Vance to become another Sarah Palin – rushed to the head of the stage prematurely or unfairly tarred by the failure of the person at the top of the ticket. I think there is a role for someone with Vance’s perspective for years to come. Twelve years would be a nice round number.
Nebraska might pass a winner-take-all in a special session this summer.
“Appearances only don’t usually produce three children.”
That’s never stopped the claims of the left in the past. Again, this is a playbook that they’ve used in the past. Their worldview of “Republican = Racist” will not allow them to conceive of a different explanation.
Glen Greenwald analyzes who is JD Vance. In his analysis he plays part of a policy speech Vance gave a few months ago and suggests it would be worth watching. He is right.
Here is the speech before the Quincy Institute. He makes the case, among larger geopolitical views why it is in our interests to support Israel and to rely on Europe to support Ukraine. Vance is not an isolationist, but recognizes that America can’t do everything– that we need to make choices based on hierarchy of benefits to American security and interests.
It has been clear for a couple of weeks that Vance was the person the Left most feared being the VP out of the names floated. Vance is one of those that was beloved by the media before he figured out the plantation was a trap after all.
I think this was the right choice. The most important attribute for VP is someone who can take the MAGA movement forward after Trump. I view Vance’s relative lack of experience in Washington as a plus.
Probably the last ticket consisting of two white heterosexual males, given the turn to DEI or more accurately tribalism.
I would have preferred Youngkin but OK. Vance is a Senator and we don,t have enough of those.
Good. My “progressive” friends are freaking out. Also good.
He is 39, yes young. Look up his Wife. Her parents are from India, went to Oxford and Yale, clerked for Roberts and Kavanaugh.
The Left already hates him, so not much else they can say to/about him.
The left will surely have a bit of trouble complaining about “two white guys” when Trump is married to an immigrant and Vance’s wife is the American-born daughter of Indian immigrants.
Vance is 39, with an impressive life story already. He will balance Trump, at 78. If something were to happen, Vance is young and vigorous and could carry on. Compare to Biden, 81 and failing, and Harris, 59 and incompetent.
The reason why the Left fears a Trump second term so much is that he will be way more effective the second time around. He was inexperienced the first time. He’s learned. JD Vance is part of that new conservative team. No more Jeff Sessions.
The “tell” is the Left’s reaction to the Heritage plan know as Project 2025. Trump has his own plan and it is secret.
Pompeo back to CIA and fire all the people he should have fired last time.
Abolish the FBI per Vivek’s plan.
Vivek has spent lots of time with Trump. Vivek will be Chief of Staff.
The Deep State is going to be torn down. The climate-industrial complex will be dismantled. That’s what the Left fears.
I expect Trump will find a place for Burgum in his cabinet. Rubio too, if he does not want to stay in the senate for some reason. Don’t be surprised if Trump taps Gabbard for a cabinet position.
Great that he picks Vance, but academic, because I don’t see how Trump wins.
The Electoral College breaks down like this:
Left Coast + Hawaii, one-party states: 78
Minnesota, Illinois, one-party states: 29
Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania are “fortified for democracy”: 44
Everything on the Atlantic coast from Virginia up (excluding PA): 104
New Mexico, Colorado: 15
And there’s Biden’s 270. Sure Trump might pick off one from Maine that splits votes but so could Biden from Nebraska. Trump could also lose Georgia or North Carolina, either honestly or through shenanigans.
Kate (4:59 pm) said: “The left will surely have a bit of trouble complaining about ‘two white guys’ when Trump is married to an immigrant and Vance’s wife is the American-born daughter of Indian immigrants.”
With all respect, the left will have no such trouble. The left (figuratively) wrote the book on slinging the manure, with bile and with gusto, when and where desired.
(Also a supplementary chapter or three on complaining/whining about ‘white guys’.)
M J R, will they succeed when pictures of the Vance family with their three children are published? People do have eyes.
Remember the left had people thinking that Kyle Rittenhouse shot three black guys.
Nevermind that all three were white guys with arrest records, one of whom had been convinced on multiple counts of child molesting.
Trump’s picks for his first Administration were basically horrendous, with several of his people turning on him.
This time, I hope Trump is already starting to consider and vetting people to fill positions in his second Administration, and this time with a great deal more experience, wisdom, and care.
There have been numerous stories about how the Biden Administration purged the bureaucracy and military of people who they thought would not go along with their leftist agenda, replacing them with their own Leftist true believers.
If Trump’s coattails are long enough to give Republicans control of both the Senate and the House, his Administration should reform the laws and regulations dealing with the Civil Service, making it far easier to fire those “embedded”–tick like Biden appointees and other recalcitrant civil servants, replacing many of them with suitable candidates from the list of those purged by the Biden Administration.
P.S. The Civil Service unions and lobby will screech bloody murder, and put up a ton of opposition, but they would automatically do their best to oppose Trump in any case, so might as well try to reform the Civil Service to get a much more responsive Civil Service.
Probably good. They do seem right together, comfortable with one another. There is something to be said for synergy.
Snow, I think it was Obama and Holder who began the purge of FBI agents and military. Clinton started the leftist D O J. Bush left his termites in place.
Kate (6:20 pm) asked: “M J R, will they succeed when pictures of the Vance family with their three children are published? People do have eyes.”
Kate, your question is much more limited in scope than was the intent of my assertion. Yes, the left will ignore or downplay the mixed-race children, because yes, “people do have eyes.”
But the left can be very creative when it comes to manufacturing bilious narratives, which can have little or nothing to do with the racial characteristics of the various Vances. They will blatantly and shamelessly smear.
For that reason / those reasons, the left will have no trouble “complaining about ‘two white guys’.” Kate, I “get” where you’re coming from. But they will have plenty of manure to fling, and some of it will probably touch on the fact that the ticket will feature ‘two white guys’. They can’t help themselves. Nominating two white guys is, for their ilk, nominating Satan and Lucifer — regardless of the intersectional characteristics of their respective spouses and offspring.
They can’t help themselves
So true, and that is their weakness. If Trump is the chess master his most fervent supporters believe, he will play this like a fiddle.
The Left plays fast and loose with who’s “white” all the time. Sometimes Jews are “white”, sometimes East Asians and South Asians are “white”. Depends on who wants what and how they want to achieve it.
Didn’t do John McCain or Amy Barrett any good to have non-white children, and George W. Bush’s Mexican relatives counted for nothing. Doesn’t do Clarence Thomas any good to not be white.
The thing the Left uses “whiteness” for is to divide spoils. They have no intention of sharing spoils with anyone not with the Left. As Joe Biden said, ‘If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black’. And his words were not repudiated by the Left.
Cornhead@5:04pm: Agree.
Biden said a week ago to put a target on Trump’s back, and after the shooting mealy-mouthed the need for civility.
Democrats are rotten, evil, or both.
Republicans have repeatedly been rejected by the Congressional Black Caucus. Skin color means nothing to the radicals.
Neo’s “as expected” is expected by whom? Nothing I can find in her posts says that, even closely.
With females being greater than 50% of voters, I expected a female like Haley, not Vance. But the Trump/Vance team will go for the jugulars, Hooray!
It is a sad state that sex aka gender will determine many votes, policies and past acts are ignored.
He’s not who I would have picked, but he could be alright. I haven’t seen how well or how badly he interacts with audiences yet.
Let’s hope Team Trump/Vance can give the federal bureaucracy the thorough power washing/sand blasting it so desperately needs
Vance was interviewed at some length on Hannity’s show tonight.
He came across as knowledgeable, likeable, and quick on his feet. Of course, Hannity didn’t ask many hardball questions.
I read his book, “Hill Billy Elegy,” when it first came out in 2018. A very impressive story of how he managed to get his life together after being raised in a dysfunctional family. His grandparents helped raise him and his service in the Marine Corps taught him the self-discipline to start climbing the ladder of success.
He saw the hollowing out of the rust belt in Ohio and knows from personal experience what a disaster that’s been for this country.
I expect the MSM to try to paint him as another Dan Quale. We’ll see whether they can succeed. I think he’s going to be able to hold his own against a hostile press.
There will probably be posts on this later, but here’s the GOP platform.
Looks good to me, too.
FWIW, a lot of people have noted since 2016 that Trump is the only president they know of who actually tried to deliver on his campaign promises.
Let’s see if we can elect a few more Representatives and Senators who will do the same.
https://townhall.com/columnists/marklewis/2024/07/16/the-republican-party-platform-is-good-n2641988
https://babylonbee.com/news/vance-dons-helmet-and-body-armor-in-preparation-to-run-with-trump
It’s interesting to me to see how Indian-Americans are quickly merging into the mainstream of the country. Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, and now Vance’s wife. Their second son is named Vivek. I suppose the hate-filled left will indeed begin treating them as “white” or “white adjacent.” What’s strange about this is that Kamala Harris is half Tamil, sharing this ethnic ancestry with Vivek Ramaswamy and, I’m guessing, Usha Vance, and yet in public she has rejected that half of herself in favor of a dubious connection with black Americans.
But the left can be very creative when it comes to manufacturing bilious narratives, which can have little or nothing to do with the racial characteristics of the various Vances. They will blatantly and shamelessly smear.
I think the direction of the smear will be “Uncle Tom.”
Last night I listened to the execrable Joy Reid expressing her “sorrow” that Tim Scott spoke at the RNC, and spoke as he did, even after not being chosen as VP. She and the other ladies (I’m using that term just to p*ss them off) with Maddow were saying Scott probably gave exactly the same speech he prepared as an acceptance speech, and they wished he’d had more “dignity” than to speak so enthusiastically after being passed over.
Reid opined that groveling was simply what Trump expects from the people of color around him – it’s the price they have to pay for proximity to the levers of power, even though of course we all know he would never actually choose one of them.
She is SUCH a tool.
Kate –
The left will claim that Vance’s marriage is for appearance only, and that his wife is a token. It’s a playbook that they’ve run in the past.
It’s ridiculous the lengths that some on the left on this matter.
Appearances only don’t usually produce three children.
I expect the MSM to try to paint him as another Dan Quale.
==
They won’t do that. They’ll try some other narrative. Quayle’s shortcomings (real but exaggerated) are not Vance’s and they’d look ridiculous trying to pretend they are.
The left will claim that Vance’s marriage is for appearance only, and that his wife is a token. It’s a playbook that they’ve run in the past.
==
You could argue that Bill Clinton and John Kennedy had a marriage for appearances. By the time they ran for President, only a residue was left of the marriages of Franklin Roosevelt and Edward Kennedy. Judith Viorst, Woodward & Bernstein, and, in a petty way, Doris Kearns Goodwin attempted to propagate that line in re the Nixons, as part of the chatterati’s long running war on undemonstrative people. It’s a sub rosa element in discussions of Melania Trump.
==
Regrettably, the most frequent discussion I’ve seen in the last 20 years accusing someone of having a marriage-for-appearances has been in re the Obamas. There are so many authentic reasons to slam the Obamas it’s an irony that people waste their verbiage on a nonsense one.
It looks as though Vance will play the Agnew role in the campaign. Pat Buchanan traveled with and loved the guy. I think he was the only Nixon rep at his funeral. Vance is a lot smarter than Agnew was but I suspect it will be entertaining.
Mr. Vance has led an interesting life filled with many highs and perhaps more lows. He appears to have remembered and learned from those. He has come from nothing to be a very successful person that has himself said that he wouldn’t have gotten to where he is if he hadn’t learned the lessons of his past life.
In that respect, I guess he is not “unburdened by what has been.” Good on him.
Knickers in a massive twist:
British Media Melts Down over J.D. Vance’s ‘UK Becoming Islamist Country’ Comments
We hope that it won’t become necessary (for the good of the world) to put the UK down like a rabid animal. But if any of us became a danger to ourselves and others, we’d want our friends to do the right thing.
I’m on record as being a fan of Vance. I think the pick is positive – though potentially an indication that Trump’s internal polls show him to be well ahead of Biden or Kamala. I don’t think that Vance helps him in the election the way that Youngkin or (perish the thought) Haley would have.
On the whole, though, if the ticket can win, Vance gives me optimism that a second Trump administration will be run a little better than the first. Vance is a smart man with experience in the military as well as at the highest levels of academia (Yale Law), and business (Peter Thiel’s venture capital firm). I don’t think that Vance is inclined to undermine Trump behind his back. And from his writings, public appearances, and the testimony of those who work with him, he doesn’t seem to have forgotten where he came from. Hopefully this is a sign that the clown show of Trump’s first administration isn’t going to be repeated.
My only concern with the pick is that I don’t want JD Vance to become another Sarah Palin – rushed to the head of the stage prematurely or unfairly tarred by the failure of the person at the top of the ticket. I think there is a role for someone with Vance’s perspective for years to come. Twelve years would be a nice round number.
Nebraska might pass a winner-take-all in a special session this summer.
“Appearances only don’t usually produce three children.”
That’s never stopped the claims of the left in the past. Again, this is a playbook that they’ve used in the past. Their worldview of “Republican = Racist” will not allow them to conceive of a different explanation.
Glen Greenwald analyzes who is JD Vance. In his analysis he plays part of a policy speech Vance gave a few months ago and suggests it would be worth watching. He is right.
Who is J.D. Vance and What Does He Really Believe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDNeEusa9oA
Here is the speech before the Quincy Institute. He makes the case, among larger geopolitical views why it is in our interests to support Israel and to rely on Europe to support Ukraine. Vance is not an isolationist, but recognizes that America can’t do everything– that we need to make choices based on hierarchy of benefits to American security and interests.
J.D. Vance on a Foreign Policy for the Middle Class
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVzoZwoU_RY