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  2. I’ve thought that Biden is the least bad option for Dems in 2024 but the Washington Post’s David Ignatius no longer thinks so. His column calling for Biden not to run is hysterical. He praises Biden for all his wonderful accomplishments of prosecuting Trump and the J6ers, passing great legislation to save the economy, and pulling NATO together to fight Russia BUT he is apparently too old (senile) to move the country forward.

    Maybe Biden’s disastrous Vietnam “press conference” was too much for the administrative state.

  3. Weird story of the day:

    “According to the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics (OBN), nearly 75% of Oklahoma’s marijuana farms are owned by Chinese nationals, buying up more than a million acres of farmland to grow black-market weed.”

    (https://tinyurl.com/yc6jmrsn)

    Well, I guess it’s not as bad as the Chinese fentanyl industry, but there seems to be some kind of trend here. Maybe they learned something from the Opium Wars.

  4. NPR reports this morning that the House Republicans have started “impeachment proceedings” against Biden, ignoring the “inquiry” distinction.

    Strangely, they also ignored the fact that the declaration was made sans a vote, which the NYT managed to fluff, claiming that Nancy Pelosi HAD a vote when she went after Trump, which of course she did not.

    They had comments from Democrat Senator Mark Kelly, who can be relied on to know nothing and say the same, but say it quite emphatically, to the effect that there is “not a shred of evidence”. No word from any House member, much less a Republican!

    I guess it’s true that NPR listeners haven’t HEARD a shred of evidence…

  5. Ps. Alien spaceship has apparently taken control of Newsweek offices:

    “Without an inquiry, hearings, and then an impeachment debate and trial, there’s simply no way to break through the liberal corporate media’s refusal to substantially cover the issue of Biden family corruption.”

  6. I hear that RFK Jr. has recently threatened to run as a third party candidate. If such a thing were to come to pass, it seems likely that he would pull off far more potential Biden voters than Trump voters. Lots of regular Dem voters are currently pretty soft on Biden primarily due to his advanced age, and while they’d never vote for Trump they could be tempted by RFK Jr.

  7. newsweek has gotten better, it’s not like the python joke about a newt,

    there is still some fluff out there, but its perhaps the most balanced weekly publication,

  8. RE: Alien bodies

    Well, I suppose it had to happen sometime.

    There is a hearing being conducted today in Mexico on UFOs by the Mexican Congress, and researchers have presented two cadavers, found in a Peruvian mine a few years ago, and carbon dated to being a 1,000 years old.

    According to the presenters these cadavers have been subjected to every conceivable scientific test, and although these these two small cadavers fit the basic profile–bilateral symmetry, a head with eyes, two arms, and two legs–they are obviously not human, and while their DNA has some common elements with human DNA–it is not human–and their body structures–things like hollow bones–that are apparently more akin to bird-like or reptilian life forms–huge elongated heads with massive eyes, three fingered hands missing a thumb, and carrying eggs in their abdomens.

    A very elaborate hoax, another until now unknown terrestrial species, humans with massive DNA damage and extensive mutations as in the Atacama skeletons researched by Dr. Garry Nolan, or actual Extraterrestrials?*

    * See the Hearings at Christia Gomez’ Youtube channel at https://strangeparadigms.com/videos/live-mexico-ufo-hearing-coverage-and-discussion-026

  9. Nonapod – I wouldn’t be so sure that RFK Jr. would draw more from Biden than from Trump. Both Trump and RRK Jr. draw from a similar pool of populist-minded, establishment-skeptical voters. I agree that there are surely Democrats in that pool who would never vote for Trump, but would consider voting for RFK.

    I strongly suspect, however, that there is also a sizable portion of that pool that is Trump-skeptical, but would otherwise vote for him in the absence of another populist candidate.

  11. Snow on Pine:

    How about a link with reasonably written text and not a 4 1/2 hour video in Spanish? I guess this is what it’s about:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/aliens-in-mexico-congress-ufo-b2410477.html

    I reserve judgment until further study and shaking out. So far these stories all turn to be credulous.

    Like the Atacama skeleton:
    ________________________________

    DNA analysis on the premature human fetus identified unusual mutations associated with dwarfism and scoliosis, although other research contested genetic abnormalities, finding that the skeleton showed normal fetal development. There is unfounded speculation by people such as UFO theorist Steven M. Greer that Ata is an extraterrestrial. Such speculation led to Ata’s inclusion in the 2013 UFO film Sirius and captured the attention of Stanford University geneticist Garry P. Nolan, who contacted the production team and analyzed the remains of the skeleton. The results of his DNA analysis show the skeleton to be human and not of extraterrestrial origin.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atacama_skeleton

  12. Maybe this has been mentioned here, but I don’t recall seeing it here or elsewhere.

    Has anyone else noticed the play to re-frame “violent crime” as “gun violence?” In the late 1970’s through the 1990’s Democrats were hammered over their softness on crime. For a time, they even (somewhat) moderated on crime. Since the Obama years, they’ve reverted to the bad old days on policy and crime is once again through the roof in blue-controlled states and cities. But no one talks about “crime” or “violent crime.” The edict appears to have gone out that crime will be referred to as “gun violence” and blamed on a lack of gun control.

    And sadly, this works. Muddy up the causes of a policy failure, thereby collapsing the electorate into their normal ideological camps. Then win by harvesting ballots from low-propensity voters.

    The problem is that reality is not served. High crime is not caused by a lack of gun control. And the type of gun control that most progressives want is not permitted by the constitution. So this sort of clever narrative creation actually breaks the feedback mechanism of “democracy.”

  13. Carbon dating an alien body.

    Unless an alien had lived most of his life on Earth and eaten an almost entirely Earth based diet, what are the chances that the ratios used in carbon dating and correlating to a timescale used for dating Earth based life forms, be the same for a body from another planet?

  14. I am both open to and skeptical of claims about Aliens on visiting Earth.

    I can think of several possibilities about these ” alien bodies” in Mexico.

    1) A modern fraud.

    2) An ancient fraud/ religious / art work.

    3) A previously unknown Earth based species.

    4) A severe mutation of an Earth based species, such as a monkey.

    4) An actual Alien.

    5) Something of demonic origin or descent, such as SEEMS to be alluded to in the Bible as having existed in ancient times, though apparently they , or their descendants, appear to have been large.

  16. Referencing Number 5 above in my comment. I said ” demonic”, though the implication in the Bible seems to be this may have been a different group of wayward angels than what is commonly associated with demons.

  17. @Bauxite – you may be right regarding the Trump skeptical voters who might vote for RFK Jr, I don’t know. It’s really hard to say. RFK Jr. has certain positions on things like climate change that may not be as appealing to such voters if they were to be made aware of them anyway.

    As an aside, amusingly when put any string of characters that contain “RFK Jr” into a Google search, you’re bombarded with mountains of articles reporting on to RFK Jr’s “fringe views”, “misleading ideas”, and “conspiracy theories”. Evidently the powers-that-be at Google really, REALLY want you to know how unsuitable RFK Jr. is. This tells me that regardless of which side RFK Jr would end up being more of a spoiler for, it’s safe to say that many powerful people in the progressive establishment are pretty worried about him.

  18. Reminds me of, back in the 70s, Lampoon came up with “Contact Bridge”, combining the card game with football.

  19. Regarding Newsweek:

    I have heard Newsweek’s opinion editor, Batya Ungar-Sargon, on several podcasts. I enjoy listening to her and her opinions. She seems very intelligent and open minded. She wrote a book, “Bad News: How Woke Media Is Undermining Democracy*.”

    *Purchase it using neo’s Amazon link!

  21. On the Mexican “aliens”. If one is going to present such “evidence” at least be a bit creative. Those bodies are dead (pun intended) ringers of the ET of Spielberg fame. Very funny really.

  23. @Snow on Pine:they are obviously not human, and while their DNA has some common elements with human DNA–it is not human

    Then doesn’t it seem, equally obviously, that they are not aliens at all but Earth life?

    Alien life would not be expected to use exactly the same chemical that Earth life does. There are literally millions of other molecules that can do what DNA does.

    An alien having DNA is about as probable as their home planet’s native language being English, wouldn’t you think?

    Expecting alien life to be carbon based makes sense if they live in the same temperature range we do, because that’s very basic chemistry. But expecting aliens to have DNA is expecting a historical accident that could have gone millions of different ways to repeat exactly the same way.

  24. On the front page of the Seattle Times today is an article written by three New York Times reporters, titled “McCarthy, forgoing vote, orders Biden impeachment inquiry”.

    I attempted to use ChatGPT-4 to find its equivalent on Nancy Pelosi’s announcement of impeachment proceedings against Donald Trump. I wanted to compare and contrast the focus and tone of the two articles.

    Guess what? Although I can find the date on which Pelosi made the announcement, I could not locate any NYT article on it.

    So as a control, I attempted to find the article from today, the one I am looking at as I type this! Nope, all the hits are to articles from Dems or RINOs saying what a bad idea this is!!

    So, yes as we have all heard, AI can be error-prone, but by coincidence it seems prone to the same kind of unidirectional errors found in the mainstream media, and in the same direction!

  25. David Ignatius of WaPo opined that Biden should not run again. Ignatius is about as establishment as you get in the legacy media; emblematic of the liberal/leftist consensus inside the Beltway.

    When he says openly Biden and Harris need to hang it up, that’s a big sign that this is becoming a consensus opinion.

    Broken record time: Look for a Newsom switcheroo come November or December

  26. Those bodies are dead (pun intended) ringers of the ET of Spielberg fame.

    –physicsguy

    They don’t even look like bodies — more like primitive sculptures.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/aliens-in-mexico-congress-ufo-b2410477.html

    Furthermore from the linked article:
    __________________________________

    The event was spearheaded by journalist and ufologist Jaime Maussan, who testified under oath that the mummified specimens are not part of “our terrestrial evolution”, with almost a third of their DNA remaining “unknown”, reported Mexican media.

    The claims by the self-claimed ‘ufologist’ have not been proven and Mr Maussan has previously been associated with claims of discoveries that have later been debunked.
    __________________________________

    That includes this three-fingered alien mummy from Peru in 2015. It looks like some kind of plaster cast.
    __________________________________

    In 2015, Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan, who reported the existence of the Nazca mummy to Gaia and is featured in the video, led an event called Be Witness, at which a mummified body — purportedly that of an alien — was unveiled. Later, though, that “alien” discovery was debunked, and the mummified corpse was shown to be that of a human child.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/

  27. @Ray Van Dune – I was able to find a Newsweek article from October 2019 discussing Nancy Pelosi’s lack of a floor vote for launching the impeachment inquirey into Trump. I did so by using Duck Duck Go and limiting the date range to basically only stuff from 2018 to 2022. Otherwise I would only get all sorts current news articles that appear to only be attempting to discredit the current impeachment inquiry of course.

  29. RE” Alien bodies

    I’ve posted a link above to the Hearing with subtitles, but the translation leaves something to be desired.

    Could be a clever hoax, and Jaime Maussen, the journalist who arranged the Hearing, was apparently the one who some years ago, came up with supposed Alien skeletons, which were said to be the misidentified skeletons of children.

    However, this time these basically intact cadavers with their intact internal organs–20 of these specimens, each having three fingers and three toes, were supposedly discovered deep in a mine near Cuzco in Peru, near the Nazca Lines, and covered with a compound of diatomaceous earth and highly poisonous Cadmium, which both desiccated them and preserved them–were apparently examined by scientists using a dozen or more standard testing procedures–Carbon 14 analysis, DNA analysis, Tomography, Biological analysis, Metallurgical Analysis of metal implants, Histological analysis, Comparative anatomy, Spectrographic analysis, a Forensic analysis, Criminalistic analysis, etc., etc.

    It’s obviously early days yet, but the evidence they presented i.e. that these were intact specimens and not pieced together hoaxes, that 30% of the specimen’s DNA did not match human DNA, no teeth–they apparently had to swallow liquid food–and the reptilian or avian aspects of the specimen’s structure plus, the depiction of similar beings with three fingers and toes in ancient art from South America, Australia, and Egypt, make it seem possible these entities could have been the product of the parallel evolution of an Earthly species.

    I note that some of the cadavers had metal, Cadmium and Osmium breastplates, embedded in their chests, and one specimen had three eggs in it’s abdomen which appeared to contain biological material–fetuses?

  30. I think most of us are cynical enough to just have assumed that most of the mainstream media is generally in fairly direct contact with the White House in terms of suggesting how to frame stories and narratives. So while it wasn’t really suprising to hear that the White House brazenly sent various large news organizations a direct missive urging them to “ramp up their scrutiny” of House Republicans, it’s a little surprising to hear that some of these organizations are actually pushing back a little. Perhaps they feel it’s a bridge too far for the White House to be so careless as to just say these things outright rather than through winks and nods?

  31. P.S.–These body’s hands also had fingerprints which were not looped or curved, but which were made up of parallel lines.

    If this is a hoax, someone went to an awful lot of effort and expense to set it up.

  32. My initial thought was when making a chess move, instead of punching the clock one got to punch his opponent.

  33. I find it interesting that some evolutionist and some of the most staunch form of fundamentalist creationist would both automatically dismiss the idea that aliens from another planet could share DNA with Earth species.
    The type of creationist I am talking about believe that God put humans as the top of the non spiritual creation and there are no other , non spirit world, sentient species – thus no sentient aliens exist which could share Earth DNA. ( In spite of the Bible never insisting one way or the other.)
    On the other end of the spectrum, non Intelligent Design type evolutionist might see it all random and how could the aliens share a similar genetic code?

    DNA is basically genetic programing. And what if all worlds have the same programer?

  34. “If this is a hoax, someone went to an awful lot of effort and expense to set it up.”

    Not really if they used Speilberg’s ET as a model. If you’ve read any biologist comments on ET, you would know that the odds of such a humanoid creature are fairly low to very low unless the planet was extremely earth like. Even here on terra firma there’s good evidence that if not for a certain comet/meteor impact the dominant intelligent species here on earth would have been a dinosaur. There were several species of dino that had all the prerequisites for further brain and technology development. So even here, humans as the dominant form is really just an accident.

    And I still can’t understand how a species that can cross interstellar distances can be so prone to fatal crashes once they get here. It’s like they get here and forget how to maintain or fly their craft. Seems odd.

  35. Snow on Pine:

    Wake me up when outside experts are brought in for verification or, better yet, the full reports are presented online.

    Before 9-11, Climategate and Covid, I had been working the fringe beat long enough to learn there are PhDs and MDs around Who Will Say Anything.

    Then there’s this from my earlier link:
    __________________________________

    Mr Maussan told attendees the specimens had been studied by scientists at the Autonomous National University of Mexico (UNAM) who were able to draw DNA evidence using radiocarbon dating. After comparisons were made to other DNA samples, it was found that over 30% of the specimens’ DNA was “unknown”, he said.

    X-rays of the specimens were also shown during the hearing, with experts testifying under oath that one of the bodies is seen to have “eggs” inside, while both were said to have implants made of very rare metals, such as Osmium.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/aliens-in-mexico-congress-ufo-b2410477.html
    __________________________________

    Perhaps the journalist mangled what Maussan said, but it’s nonsensical. Radiocarbon dating provides no DNA information at all.

  36. @Snow on Pine:30% of the specimen’s DNA did not match human DNA,

    If there’s DNA of any kind, at all, it’s not an alien, because there’s no reason aliens would have DNA and not some other molecule.

    Carbon-based life, sure, basic and solid chemistry why that’s the case. Body made of tiny cells, sure, basic and solid physics why that’s the case. But there’s millions of potential alternatives to DNA.

    And you can go on from there: if they have mitochondria in their cells, not aliens, because mitochondria in cells are a historical accident like using DNA is.

  37. Could be a clever hoax,
    ==
    I’d adjudge them more clever if they weren’t cribbing from Steven Spielberg’s concept art crew.

  38. Strictly speaking from a purely scientific viewpoint given the vast number of possible valid configurations of DNA that could possibly be present in complex life, it’s a practical mathematically impossibility that you would have 2 distinct abiogenesis events on different worlds that would yield similar DNA structures. The human genome alone has something like 3 billion base pairs. If we reduce evolution to a combinatorial optimization problem, it’s just too great a solution space for coincidental collisions to happen in any realistic frame of time or space.

  39. @Nonapod:it’s a practical mathematically impossibility that you would have 2 distinct abiogenesis events on different worlds that would yield similar DNA structures

    It’s not like winning Powerball twice. It’s more like the winning number for Powerball this week being the same winning number as it was a year ago.

    I don’t blame Snow on Pine for not knowing much biology, but the experts he chooses to listen to don’t seem to be any more knowledgable.

    There’s an actual scientific field of xenobiology and there’s a lot to learn from it: if one bothers. I spent some time learning a little because I was interested in the possibility of alien life and it’s a shame that so few who share that interest are willing to put in even a little time…

  40. Why on earth would aliens drop dead in a mine?
    Would not an alien space craft just crash and burn out in the open, in a forest, a desert or on a mountain or in the ocean?
    Was their space craft aiming for that mine?
    Maybe they were seeking “beryllium spheres” in that mine and they crashed.
    Yep, that must be it.
    And we all thought that “Galaxy Quest” was fiction.

    Reminds of all those alien theses of Erik Von Danikan, whose ability to find alien “evidence” in or on anything demonstrates his superior imagination (or is it his ability to BS)?
    He can even show evidence of alien life in a telephone pole.

    If anybody has evidence of alien stuff, it is the military and secretive govt agencies. They either have this evidence or they do not.

    I still do not understand how the US Congress- which theoretically is the “boss” of ALL govt agencies, including the military – cannot demand and receive whatever info they demand.

    Speaking of the possibility of demonkrat voters voting for Trump……this is like asking black voters to vote for the Imperial Wizard of the KKK as president.
    It ain’t gonna happen no matter how senile Joke Bidet is.

    Someone I know mentioned over one year ago – well before DeSantis announced his candidacy for prez – how he was extreme right wing. Of course, she obtains her “news” from the usual demonkrat propaganda media outlets.

    That folks, is your typical demonkrat voter; they believe without question everything the media broadcasts.

  41. Re: Alien DNA

    There is one way for aliens to share DNA with us — panspermia. The earth was seeded with the basic DNA molecule from outer space. Of course, that would not be separate abiogenic origins.

    Panspermia is not in good favor these days, although if it was good enough for Fred Hoyle… The argument is that panspermia just kicks the can of the origin of life further down the road or further back in time/space.

    But that doesn’t make it wrong and it does solve what I consider a serious problem — how quickly DNA life emerged after the Earth consolidated into a planet and was a horribly cataclysmic place for a complex fragile molecule to emerge which is also the programming language for life.

  43. John Tyler–

    A couple of things.

    Today’s Congress can’t just demand obedience, because Congress has very largely de facto abandoned it’s lawmaking, budgetary, and review role, and handed over law making (now rule making) and enforcement power to the administrative state. (If you look closely at the printed compilation of the laws which are passed by each Congress, you will note that many of what are tallied up as “laws” passed by Congress are actually only commemorative in nature i.e.–national elbow day, mushroom cultivation day, commemorating the invention of the marshmallow, etc.)

    Moreover, Congress lacks both enough members with the guts to actually compel obedience, and also lacks the armed enforcement force to impose that compulsion.

    The mine thing–given the way these bodies were treated, the implication is that these corpses were interred in some sort of ritual burial.

    I note that, at the end of the Hearing, it was mentioned that the DNA sequencing results–done by a Canadian company at a cost of $50,000–were now up on the web for all to see and analyze, and an invitation was also extended for scientists to come and to analyze these bodies, and the results of the examinations which had already been done.

    Crashing UFOs–as I wrote on an earlier thread, perhaps some of the presumably “Alien” organizations directing these UFOs are operating on a shoestring budget, think an underfunded university research team–using second hand equipment and not very well trained pilots.

    We’ve been told that some of these craft crash, and some apparently land intact, and their pilots just disappear–we don’t have any idea of the percentages of each–and it has been suggested that all of these crashes and intact craft are simply “gifts” to us humans, and/or tests, or cruel jokes–the equivalent of throwing a laptop into a monkey’s cage for him to try to figure it out.

  44. physicsguy—It seems as if one part of government’s long term campaign of disinformation about UFOs and Aliens is to insert some elements of the truth, often via popular entertainment i.e. “Close Encounters,” “X-Files,” “Arrival,” etc. (there have been several reported instances in which government agents have come to TV or movie producers making SF stories with offers of government “cooperation,” and information on “how to make their programs better or more accurate”) into the public’s consciousness to further confuse the issue or, perhaps, even as a backup plan to gradually accustom the public to the idea of the presence of UFOs and Aliens, so that, if the fact of their existence and presence ever leaks out, the “ontological shock” will be far less severe than it would otherwise have been.

  45. The propaganda media repeatedly queering and lying about the facts on McCarthy’s House inquiry — thanks for the several contributors illuminating that story.

    But — in other news — what about the new CIA whistleblower
    who alledges bribes or payoffs to analysts to not finger China’s Wuhan lab?

    WHO MANAGED THESE MANAGERS? The list of cui bono answers is already so long…is it growing?

  46. A lot of Dems are repeating the “not a shred of evidence” mantra. I hope the meme-makers’ archives will soon be overflowing, because I don’t think that one is going to age very well.

    Sure, the Dems will probably still be denying months from now, but “not a shred” will have to have been replaced by much more convoluted crap by then!

    1. See, not a shred!
    2. Like I said, only a few pieces!
    3. Look, those smoking chunks are pretty small.
    4. Hey, many of those body parts are still twitching!
    5. Crater? You call that a crater?!

  47. RE: UFOs and the reality of “Men in Black”

    James English on his “Anything Goes” YouTube channel just interviewed UFO researcher and filmmaker James Fox, and Fox talked about many different things related to UFOs, including the subject of the existence of the fabled “Men In Black.”

    Fox has been researching UFOs for thirty years now, and over the course of his research he has talked to innumerable witnesses/“experiencers,” and from what they have told him–a day or two after they have had an experience, and/or have taken pictures or a video of a UFO–intimidating “Men In Black” have quite often shown up at their houses, trying to confiscate the pictures, film, or video, and telling them to keep quiet about what they have experienced or observed.

    So Fox has no doubt that there are, indeed, MIBs, and that they are from some secret and very deeply buried organization within government (see my comment above at 5:43).

    P.S.–Since some of those who got a visit from these MIBs had only mentioned what they had seen or captured an image of on the phone, it appears possible that whatever organization this is has access to real time NSA level monitoring and analysis of every form of communication.*

    * See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUs-kcoe82A&t=9013s

  48. ” scientific field of xenobiology”… unless one has an actual alien lifeform to study, that ” scientific field ” would be largely theoretical based on observations and extrapolation of observations about life on Earth, likely with it’s practitioners own biases baked into the mix.

  50. I’ve heard of chessboxing. More often than I would like, actually. Friends have occasionally mentioned it to me since I’m a known chessplayer.

  51. Newsweek has changed ownership several times since 2010. It even stopped publishing the print issue for five or six years. It’s not the same magazine it was in its heyday. It’s a shadow of its former self — and that’s good: fewer pretentions, fewer Establishment connections, and less identification with the power structure.

  52. RE: UFOs and the reality of “Men in Black”

    Snow on Pine:

    How about a non-video link?

    The “Men in Black” (MIB) is a wonderful conspiracy idea and seed for comics and movie franchises, but from my reading the MIB story goes back to one book, “The Mothman Prophecies” by John Keel about events in the 1960s.

    I was thrilled when I first read “Mothman.” Before the book came out the Mothman mythos had even reached Daytona Beach. Some of my high school classmates claim to have seen a Mothman while driving the spooky Tomoka Loop late at night. There were also rumors of a Mothlady out there in the Tomoka woods.

    The MIB were a sidelight in “The Mothman Prophecies” but they were exciting. They became a meme in the UFO community, then a trope in science fiction.

    However, as far as I know, there haven’t been many, if any, serious MIB claims since “Mothman.”

  55. Covert Shores by H I Sutton open source intelligence analyst, naval weapons etc

    Ukraine’s Big Success In Black Sea: Why The Gas Platforms Matter

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5RjgY5Fb18&pp=ygUNY

    But not Men In Black submarines, most subs are black nowadays. The rubber anechoic coverings do that and there aren’t any shiny titanium subs (USSR) any more …..

  57. RE: Mexican Hearing and mummified “non-human” bodies

    I don’t like the fact that apparently this one Mexican Navy doctor–no matter how highly credentialed–apparently did most of the testing and maybe, as well, most of the investigating.

    What would settle the truth for me would be, if a panel composed of extremely competent Dr. Garry Nolan level scientists in a number of relevant fields–Medicine, Physical Anthropology, Genetics, Evolutionary Biology, Archeology, etc.—-would be given unlimited access to these bodies, and to the site where they were found, and could run whatever non-destructive tests they wanted to, to determine what they exactly are.

    The presenting doctor did give his opinion that these bodies were intact and not, for instance, pieced together from different animals, but I’d like a second opinion, in fact, a lot of second opinions, from a lot of different scientists/doctors and perspectives.

  58. In this age when nobody can be trusted, when “fact checkers” are biased and anything but, and opinion is treated as straight news, it’s really hard to get to the truth.

    Thus, for instance, one story I saw about the Hearing started off, in the first paragraph, by characterizing Maussen’s assertions about the bodies as “wild claims.”

    Another news story relied on the “fact checking” site “snopes” for the assurance that some of Maussen’s earlier claims about alien bodies were “debunked.”

  59. huxley:

    Birds eye lowdown?

    Don’t trust anything from Tucker on foreign affairs.

    Ukraine has to be cautious with it’s forces and material moving to strangle and retake the Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, and Donetsk Oblasts and eventually Crimea.

    GLSDB and ATACMS would greatly help that, as the Kerch Straight Bridge is a “dead man walking.” F-16s and M1A2(?) Abrams tanks will help next spring.

    Nothing astonishing or profound from my lowdown.

    Roosia will continue to attack Ukrainian mostly civilian infrastructure and threaten everyone with nukes. Col. Mustard Macgregor and Scott Ritter will continue to be maroons, but give succor to Vlad.

    Will the Roosian’s loose like a Hemingway bankruptcy? Slowly, then suddenly? Who knows.

  62. Meanwhile, soaring like a China spy balloon:

    August Core Inflation Biggest Monthly Gain This Year – “Hotter Than Expected”

    The consumer price index rose 0.6% in August, its biggest monthly gain of 2023. The inflation gauge rose 3.7% from a year ago.
    The core CPI increased 0.3% and 4.3% respectively, against estimates for 0.2% and 4.3%. Fed officials focus more on core as it provides a better indication of where inflation is heading over the long term.
    Energy prices fed much of gain, rising 5.6% on the month, an increase that included a 10.6% surge in gasoline.
    The jump in headline inflation hit worker paychecks. Real average hourly earnings declined 0.5% for the month.     (Bidenomics in a nutshell.)

  64. From the expression on that poor Mexicalien’s face, I think it’s pretty clear that he/she/zhe ingested one too many habaneros.
    (Which no doubt scared the rest of ’em back to Arcturus, or wherever.)

  65. Litter box wisdom from Catturd™:

    Just so you know …

    The GOP is trying to get rid of Trump just as much as the Democrat party.

    They long for the day where every election is some deepfake version of George Bush vs Barack Obama.

    That way the swamp wins no matter what.

    They think you’re stupid.

    Trump 2024!

    Sep 13, 2023

  66. Banned Lizard:

    Cat turd indeed.

    The GOP is not a unitary body of like-minded individuals. Some hate Trump. Some would prefer someone else. Some support him.

  67. Boned Loser:

    If only Ukraine had kept her nukes; then Zellinsky would be threatening Europe with them if aid is cut. After all Ukraine is certainly thugish in their aggression against their peaceful, every loving, Motherland. (sarc for a looser)

    Is the poster of the bare chested Vlad on his pony hanging on the wall above your monitor? Or just a screen saver/Windows background?

  68. Snow at 538pm:

    Sorry so late to respond. I do agree about a possible psyop. I cant’ recall the exact details but there was a “convention” of sorts in the 60’s where it was discussed about how to break the news of alien contact without causing severe social disruption. It did involve a sequence of trickle in of news rather than a sudden one off announcement. I also believe the participants were primarily thinking of radio contact as SETI was just ramping up at the time.

  71. I hate the term “debunked.”

    In my recent comment about the tactic of using “thought stoppers,”–the verbal equivalent of a hand grenade–words or phrases like “communist” or “racist,” “old news,” “sexist,” homophobe” or “debunked” designed to stop whatever discussion was going on on a topic, to immediately shut that investigation down, and quite often to divert it to a discussion of the sanity, legitimacy, or the moral standing of the person who originally brought up the topic.

    Thus, I see a number of stories about the bodies revealed in the Hearing in Mexico saying that these bodies have been “debunked” i.e. they’re fake, “nothing to see here folks, move on.”

    The problem here is, of course, that merely declaring something as having been “debunked” conveniently avoids the naming of whatever “authority” (and their particular credentials and competence in this area) declared this item to be fake, a presentation of any evidence, and a discussion of how that evidence proved that the item or concept under discussion was wrong or fake.

  72. RE: Mexican Hearing and the conclusions of the initial investigations which were carried out

    First off, the Navy Doctor obviously believed, from his studies, that these bodies were legit.

    The translations were poor, but I think that what the Naval doctor was saying was that while 30% of the DNA in the tissue samples taken from these bodies was found to be unknown, and the bodies had anatomical features which seemed more bird-like or reptilian, that they could not be connected with any known ancestral forms, that there was no back trail to show how such creatures could have evolved, here on Earth, from any known earlier, more primitive ancestral forms which we have records of.

  74. The Mexican doctor doesn’t have the answer so it must be, wait for it ….., wait for it ….., aliens or undocumented extraterrestriels.(sic)

    They don’t need no stinkin’ badges! Where are the MIB wearing sombreros?

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