The Kari Lake election fraud verdict: Part II
[NOTE: I said that Part II would be about efforts in Arizona to make elections more secure even before the 2022 election. But I find I have a few more things to say first, and I’m saying them here in Part II. So the Arizona efforts are planned for Part III.]
In the first post in this series I said that election fraud is only redressed in very minor cases. The same is true for the correction of election irregularities. This sort of thing is the only scale on which new elections will sometimes be ordered:
On November 18, 2022, Screven County [Georgia] Commissioners Allison Willis and Mike Dixon, candidate for county commissioner in District 1 Tyler Thompson, Vicki T. Reddick, and Michael Lloyd Waters, filed a lawsuit against Elections Superintendent Debbie Brown, Elections Supervisor Hannah Derriso, and Commissioner Edwin Lovett. The five contended that the wrong ballots had been issued to at least two dozen voters in District 1, and that the incorrect ballots may have had an impact on the county commission race in that district that had a margin of just seven votes.
Note the differences between this case and Lake’s: in Georgia the stakes were low, in that the election was for county commissioner rather than governor of a state. The margin of victory was tiny (even the total number of ordinary ballots was tiny, around 700) and therefore it wasn’t too difficult to prove that the errors could have made a difference. But the basic error was a similar one: incorrect ballots. In the county commissioner race, however, the candidates weren’t even on some of the ballots (for around two dozen voters) because of a confusion about where the county lines were. There was no contention that this was done intentionally and apparently the court saw no need for proving intent. The plaintiffs were able to put a number of people on the stand who didn’t get the right ballot.
This is from the defense during the trial:
“Not voting in this election is not an illegal vote,” Rountree told the court. “What we have here is over 700 people who voted correctly. And those 700 people deserve to have their votes counted and if this election is deemed to be a ‘do over,’ all those people have to go do it again. When the people complaining had the chance to do it right the first time…they had lots of chances to get it right, they still got it wrong. Not intentionally, but they did.”
Karpf asked Rountree if it was his position that the burden is on the individual voter, not the registrar or the election officials, to make sure the ballots are correct and the information in the system is correct. Rountree replied ‘yes.
So the argument was that a do-over would somehow disenfranchise those who had originally voted, and that it is incumbent on the voter to know what should be on his or her ballot and complain if it’s lacking something. That’s an absurd argument and the court apparently rejected it, because a new election was ordered. But with such a small election, that was relatively easy to do. The judge used the following standard:
–If the number of illegal votes exceeds the margin of the election results, that is sufficient grounds to set aside the election; and
–If there are systemic irregularities in the elections process that are ‘sufficiently egregious’ to cast doubt on the result.
The definition of “illegal votes” was at issue, but the judge decided these were “illegal” enough to qualify. That second standard – systemic irregularities in the elections process sufficiently egregious to cast doubt on the result – would have been useful in the Kari Lake case. But these are two different states, and it most definitely was not used in the Arizona case.
Back to Arizona and Lake’s case, here are some quotes from Judge Thompson:
The burden of proof in an election contest is on the challenger…
As for the actions of elections officials themselves, this Court must presume the good faith of their official conduct as a matter of law…
Plaintiff has no free-standing right to challenge election results based upon what Plaintiff believes – rightly or wrongly – went awry on Election Day. She must, as a matter of law, prove a ground that the legislature has provided as a basis for challenging an election. See Henderson v. Carter, 34 Ariz. 528, 534-35 (1928) (“[O]ne who would contest an election assumes the burden of showing that his case falls within the terms of the statute providing for election contests. The remedy may not be extended to include cases not within the language or intent of the legislative act.”)
So if fraudsters are creative enough and go outside the bases for challenge established by the statute, it appears that no lawsuit could succeed. And election officials are presumed as a matter of law to be fair, which seems to me to be a case of “the law is an ass” if it presumes that.
Later on in his opinion, Judge Thompson mentions that any ballot misprinting problems had to be proven to be (a) intentional (b) committed by an “officer making or participating in a canvass” (c) intended to change the outcome of the election, and (d) that such problems actually changed that outcome. Note once again the difference between this standard and the one in the Georgia case. That’s how very high the bar was raised for Lake – to the stratosphere. As I wrote in part I, fulfilling these requirements would require the equivalent of a recording of the plotting or a confession from the perpetrators. Nothing short of that would do, despite the fact that there were indeed “systemic irregularities in the elections process sufficiently egregious to cast doubt on the result.”
Judge Thompson also stated that:
A court setting such a margin [17,000 votes] aside, as far as the Court is able to determine, has never been done in the history of the United States.
Probably true, since although a redo of an election has been ordered by courts at times, such as in the Georgia case, it has not been done in a statewide contest of such magnitude with a margin of that type. That has nothing to do with the merits of the case, of course, and seems to reward fraud that is more egregious rather than less. If you can commit a big enough fraud, the court will not redress it – or if you commit a big enough act of negligence (which is the kindest interpretation of what happened in Maricopa County) the court will not redress it.
So I’m not going to do a close review of the evidence presented in court, because whatever it was it was not going to be able to meet the requirements unless it was a confession or a record of the plotting itself. But just to take one example, from Judge Thompson on Maricopa County’s chain of custody issues:
In his closing, counsel for Plaintiff argues that it “does not make sense” that Maricopa County did not know how many ballots Maricopa County had received on election night. But, at Trial, it was not Maricopa County’s burden to establish that its process or procedure was reasonable, or that it had an accurate unofficial count on Election Night. Even if the County did bear that burden, failing to carry it would not be enough to set aside election returns.
So what then do the chain of custody rules, established to assure the security of the ballots and to prevent fraud, mean? If election officials fail to follow them even though they are required to do so, and there is no penalty and no remedy, that offers a great deal of motivation to disregard such rules. The requirements have no teeth if the rules can be flouted. The officials, who are presumed by the court to be fair, can do whatever they want short of simply refusing to count votes or throwing the ballots into the river and watching them carried away by the current.
Maybe they can even do that as long as there’s no proof of their intent.
[NOTE: Please also read this. An excerpt:
The standard [in the Lake case] should have been whether voters were disenfranchised, not all the additional hoops Thompson added. If inner city blacks had been disenfranchised, Thompson would not have added all those extra requirements, he would have made the law fit. Robert Gouveia, a rare attorney who isn’t afraid to speak up and who describes himself as watching prosecutors, judges and politicians, said the standard should have been whether there was voter suppression.
Instead, Thompson said Lake had to show an extremely vague, high bar in order to prevail…
The article is well worth reading, but this part particularly interested me because I had not previously realized it:
Compounding the problem, hardly any attorneys dare speak up about this, since they risk being targeted and disbarred. So they’re not writing about it or going on talk shows, and the best of the bunch have already been targeted so they’ve either already been disbarred or have to lie low. Nor are they taking on representation, leaving candidates like Lake to rely upon non-election attorneys. When the Cochise County Supervisors gutsily called for a hand count, they could find no attorney who dared represent them.
That makes sense. We already know that in many law schools, law professors and other lawyers are targeted for destruction if they defend the “wrong” people – in other words, if they stick up for people on the right. Because bar associations generally have become highly leftist as well, the risk is there. It is extremely sobering.
The same author wrote this:
The problem is no attorneys or judges licensed by state bars dare to get involved since they’re likely to get disbarred; the left has so much control over state bars. One of the only election attorneys in Arizona who has the guts to get involved in these issues has been under investigation by the state bar for almost two years. The Arizona State Bar is one of the most vicious bars in the country targeting conservative attorneys. This is why the left repeatedly claims there has been no “evidence” of voter fraud in court cases.
I also suggest reading this piece by the same author, describing how attorneys who take election fraud cases are targeted. This is very important stuff, and I think many people on the right are unaware of it and certainly unaware of its scope.]
In sports, the officials are presumed to be neutral arbiters, whose only job is to call balls and strikes as it were, and enforce the rules impartially. Without the presumed neutrality of the officials, no one would bother to play the game.
In politics, one party is supposed to accept that the officials are bought off or maybe even paid employees of the other party, but that’s considered unremarkable. In fact, if you make too big a stink about it you’re labeled a “sore loser” who’s an “election denier.” Vote harder next time, sucker.
Do I have that right?
Sgt. Joe Friday :
Sort of like if referees were engaged in betting on the outcomes of the games they were officiating.
It’s happened. An NBA referee went to prison for that 15-20 years ago.
Believe it or not, the Nebraska State Bar is dominated by liberals. But there is a significant minority of conservatives and we have had our victories.
Right now the liberal members of the NSBA are trying to enact a speech code against lawyers. It is so broad that if I made a comment on FB or LinkedIn that the Left deemed to be hate speech, then I could be disciplined.
Thankfully, the Nebraska Supreme Court decides if the rule is changed and all but one of them were appointed by Republican governors.
As I mentioned in Part 1 comments, VivaFrei commenter, Robert Barnes, said that she did not need to prove intentionality; all she needed to show was that there were enough issues that the outcome could be affected. He specifically said that the bar was low.
But it appears this judge raised it to an impossibly high standard.
Lee Also:
Yes, I heard that statement by Barnes prior to the decision. But I don’t recall Barnes citing on what he was basing it. A statute? An Arizona precedent? Something else? Apparently the judge in the Lake case didn’t get the memo from Barnes, because he applied a sky-high standard instead.
So the only conclusion I can make is that all the shenanigans are rewarded, and the more egregious the better. Thus, our votes no longer matter. The next stage of redress of grievances then becomes obvious
Abe Hamadeh, running for AG in AZ, beaten on recount by just enough (hmm) to avoid automatic recount. And recount cut the Dem’s lead from 511 to 280 votes, a serious discrepancy. The whole thing reeks of fraud.
“But it appears this judge raised it to an impossibly high standard.”
Because elections are too important to question highly suspicious outcomes.
The teevee called it for the Democrat so …
Or something.
It’s outrageous that the lawyers are afraid and the judges compliant. That’s not justice, it’s authoritarianism. When are enough citizens going to wake up and see the corruption?
Excellent analysis, probably one of the simplest and best that I have read about this debacle.
I really don’t know how we are going to solve this issue of corrupt and fraudulent elections before 2024. It now seems to be baked into the cake.
I think Barnes was talking precedence, but he didn’t cite anything specific.
This is Lake’s response to the request by Hobbs for sanctions and penalties.
Notice the list of Hobb’s and Maricopa’s attorneys at the end. Perkins Coie and Elias Law Group. Lake was outgunned 20 to 2.
https://www.clerkofcourt.maricopa.gov/home/showpublisheddocument/4561/638076729104638921
@ JJ > “It’s outrageous that the lawyers are afraid and the judges compliant. That’s not justice, it’s authoritarianism. When are enough citizens going to wake up and see the corruption?”
Emphasis on “enough” — many did, more do now — but with the media and FBI and all claiming “nothing to see here” — who are you to dare contradict them?
Seems to me there have been a few other countries where fear and compliance over-ruled justice.
Things didn’t end well.
Reads like a SCOTUS situation. I hope her case gets heard, there.
Perkins and coie operating behind the dragons tail, yes elias was behind the disqualification of reps they succeeded with cawthorne
Isn’t that amazing, re: the Sgt. Joe exchange up top? A corrupt sports official is caught & goes to jail, but a major election is thrown & it’s just “move along.”
Orwell taught us that the left are masters of language manipulation & perversion. Not trying to pick on physicsguy, but can we retire the word “shenanigans” when it comes to these serious crimes against the republic? We’re not talking about neighborhood kids playing pranks.
Republicans still think Democrats are good people. They aren’t. They cheat. Always have. Probably always will.
The long sordid history of Democrat election crimes needs to be shared and taught. Just last night at dinner I was talking with a 61-year-old lawyer and my son. The lawyer was telling my son about his grandfather, my deceased father-in-law. We started sharing stories. I mentioned the Battle of Athens as one of the stories he had discussed with me several times. He was a young boy at the time but remembered the night vividly. His parents played key roles before and after.
This lawyer grew up in Cleveland, Tenn, went to college and law school in Knoxville, and has practiced law in Cleveland his whole adult life. Athens is 20 miles from Cleveland. The lawyer had never heard of the battle. When I used the term, he showed surprise and asked, “Do you mean ‘battle’ with guns?”
He’d never heard about the routine stealing of elections by Democrat bosses using the guns of corrupt Dem sheriffs. Didn’t know that GIs had returned from fighting for liberty around the world and decided to fight for it in their hometown. Never heard about Boss Crump in Memphis using his corrupt power to run statewide elections in the state for half a century. Had no idea that LBJ had blatantly and outrageously stolen his senate seat in Texas in 1948. He’d heard of “Walking Tall”, but it was just a movie.
Blatant, outrageous election fraud has been a staple of the Democrat party for two centuries. If we want to fight back against Big Brother, we have to get the truth out.
Hey, Neo! Did you look up the citation that the Judge references? I don’t see how it supports him throwing out Lake’s suit. There is nothing in the statute that says the contester must show intentionality or actual fraud.
And the vote margin may have been “largish” but it was enough that it would have made a difference in the outcome.
Lee Also:
I believe he was saying the statute limited the grounds for contesting. The elements, such as all the types of intentionality, I believe were his own interpretation of case law.
But it’s not 100 percent clear what he was referring to.
Judges make it up as they go along? Conceivable? That’s appealing.
The Republican Party needs to lawyer up to fight election rules before the election. With the incompetent RNC chair Ronna McDaniel they’re always caught behind. Time for a change. Go to https://www.hireharmeet.com/ and find a list of the email addresses of Republican national committee members for each state. Write them polite emails urging them to vote for Harmeet Dhillon.
I’ve noticed the Democrats always back the people with lots of legal fire power. The Pakistani house of reps people had high powered lawyers, for example. Plus the people Durham was looking into.
Contrast with how General Flynn was basically bankrupted. And how other gop people had to hire their own lawyers, which is not cheap.
Why does the gop not help with legal costs?
@ RaySoCa > “Why does the gop not help with legal costs?”
That’s a rhetorical question, right?
Aesopfan – it’s a question that has bothered me for years, and I don’t understand why.
Flynn was a lifetime Democrat, so the lack of funding for him kinda makes sense.
There was a female Trump staffer that got caught up in Russiagate, and had to lawyer up. At $500 an hour it gets expensive fast.
May be it’s the culture that Buckley forced into the Gop after the purging of the Birchers.
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2022/04/23/principles-are-a-grand-thing-a-guest-post-by-john-ringo/
Buckley was a CIA alumni. Lewrockwell has some interesting conjectures on nro being a cia influence operation.
Buckley was a CIA alumni. Lewrockwell has some interesting conjectures on nro being a cia influence operation.
No, crank Rockwell’s ‘conjectures’ are not interesting.
May be it’s the culture that Buckley forced into the Gop after the purging of the Birchers.
Buckley wasn’t in a position to ‘force’ a ‘culture’ on the GOP or any other organization bar National Review itself. The Birchers weren’t ‘purged’. It was simply the editorial line of National Review that the Birchers were worthless and should be ignored. You did not have to manipulate the Republican congressional caucus or anyone else into ignoring the Birchers. Their own literature was sufficient to persuade people they were a waste of time. One of the very few prominent Republicans who had an interest in Bircher literature was Raymond Shamie in Massachusetts, and he never ran on a Bircher platform.