On the Paul Pelosi perp
So many people have gone into the Paul Pelosi attack in depth that I don’t feel the need to do so at the moment. So I’ll just link to this as well as this.
I wrote at the outset I thought the perp would turn out to be a crazy person. Indeed, that seems to be the case. I also wrote that my biggest question had to do with why there was no security or no effective security. That’s still my question, and so far there’s been no answer.
It goes without saying that the left would try to make political hay of it by blaming the right. That’s certainly been their attempt. But at this point, I can’t imagine it convinces anyone but the already-convinced.
It beggars belief that any rational person could possibly believe the official narrative being wildly spun in the MSM, which makes no sense whatsoever. What is truly remarkable is the reaction from leftists, even more hysterical and unhinged than one might have anticipated, ranging from WaPo’s J Rubin (one of the most clueless of all “journalists”) to R Reiner, the aptly-named “Meathead” (without question one of the very stupidest amongst the multitudinous morons in Hollywood), who would like Trump to be indicted over this “incident” as well as J6 (see the piece at Twitchy), the salient details of which continue to be largely opaque. Whether the theory of P Pelosi’s having invited the BLM-supporting lunatic into his house will ever be proven remains to be seen, but it is far more plausible at the moment than the official story.
“…who would like Trump to be indicted over this “incident” as well as J6…”
I saw that, too.
Good for a chuckle…
(Actually, the people the DOJ should really be going after are the totally irresponsible folks at “Fruit of the Loom”…not to mention Home Center/Ace Hardware/etc. …selling their products to potential felons.)
If you can believe the SF cops, the perp threatened to kneecap Nancy: “The crazed man who allegedly broke into Nancy Pelosi’s home and attacked her husband with a hammer planned to kneecap the speaker of the House and hold her hostage, according to a sworn affidavit. . . . ‘DePape stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her. If Nancy were to tell Depape the ‘truth,’ he would let her go, and if she ‘lied,’ he was going to break her kneecaps,’ the document outlines based on a police interview with the alleged attacker. . . . ‘DePape was prepared to detain and injure Speaker Pelosi when he entered the Pelosi residence in the early morning of October 28, 2022. DePape had zip ties, tape, rope, and at least one hammer with him that morning,’ the document said. In a later interview, officers noted DePape viewed Nancy as the ‘leader of the pack’ of lies told by the Democratic Party.”
IOW, San Fran Nan is making herself out to be the real victim of the fracas inside the house that night. And it’s anyone’s guess who the “officers” were who “noted” DePape’s “views.”
https://nypost.com/2022/10/31/david-depape-told-cops-he-wanted-to-break-nancy-pelosis-kneecaps-doc/
I also wrote that my biggest question had to do with why there was no security or no effective security. That’s still my question, and so far there’s been no answer.
Three suggestions:
1. He has trouble sleeping because he’s old. He hadn’t turned the security system on.
2. He’s old and forgot to turn the security system on.
3. He doesn’t want security men trailing him. The goons work for the Capitol Police and they look after his wife.
It beggars belief that any rational person could possibly believe the official narrative being wildly spun in the MSM
Stop imagining things and concentrate on the bits you know.
And who IS that “third person” that was mentioned several times? (If in fact there was a third person…)
BTW, is it too late to charge Pete Seeger with incitement?
(I mean if dead people can vote…)
Art Deco:
Do you really imagine that these multi-multi millionaires, with the distaff side being Speaker of the House, have that kind of rudimentary security system? A little alarm Paul Pelosi can turn on and off easily? I doubt it very very much. And that’s not the way some people who have been to the home describe it; can’t find the descriptions at the moment but those people say it involves much more than that. The security was said to be there whether the Pelosis are in residence or not.
In addition, police have been silent on the issue of whether there was any security or not. They’ve been silent on a lot of things, and also contradictory.
Needless to say, not our fathers’ DOJ:
Justice Department Files Federal Charges Against David DePape – Allows Them to Control and Hide Evidence – And Selectively Leak
That there is federal intervention in this case is another indicator that the federal penal code needs a lot of barnacles scraped off it, and that the U.S. Attorney’s office is overstaffed and unscrupulous. Facially, it’s a burglary and an assault.
It has nothing to do with the motive for the attack, but one of the news reports had a one liner that caught my eye. Paraphrasing because I would never find it again; if it hasn’t disappeared forever—‘A third person in the house opened the door for the police.’ That’s it. A one liner buried in the mass of verbiage.
On cue, now that it has been established that that the perp had exhibited mental/emotional issues for years, likely drug induced, I read this morning that he had recently shifted from hard left to extreme right. So, there you have it. Lefty nutcase his whole adult life; but, magically, now a right-wing extremist. Very convenient.
One thing that would be hard to dispute given statements by multiple neighbors, is that he habitually exhibited evidence of paranoia. They claimed that he called the police several times, claiming that one, or more, were plotting against him. His quoted statements suggest that paranoia was the impetus for the attack aimed at Nancy P. Well, even a reasonably normal person might think that she and her merry band were out to out to get them.
Nevertheless, there is the narrative to be flogged; and it will be.
oldflyer:
The authorities took that back and said there was no third person.
No doubt DOJ will add this to their list of WSE attacks.
There should be SFPD body camera video that would clear up how SFPD entered and what they saw / heard when this happened.
I don’t care how much they say he was looking for Nancy. Show the evidence or I’m going to assume they are lying.
Neo,
I believe they said someone on the inside opened the door for them. I think the assumption was that must have been a third person. But the situation was dynamic, Paul could have opened the door only to have the intruder grab the hammer. But we won’t know until we see the unedited video.
The press briefing used such passive language that you are inclined to think they are not being strait.
Do you really imagine that these multi-multi millionaires, with the distaff side being Speaker of the House, have that kind of rudimentary security system? A little alarm Paul Pelosi can turn on and off easily? I doubt it very very much. And that’s not the way some people who have been to the home describe it; can’t find the descriptions at the moment but those people say it involves much more than that. The security was said to be there whether the Pelosis are in residence or not.
If I’m understanding Harmeet Dhillon, there was considerable manpower around when her process servers arrived at the house. One thing we can discern is that wasn’t the case, which is not surprising as Botox was out of town.
I take it you’ve never had a Dictograph security system installed. It’s motion sensors, panic buttons, blaring alarms, monitoring by your security vendor &c. Nowadays, there’s likely unobtrusive security cameras and digital technology applied in addition. Note, security cameras help you identify perps, they don’t prevent unhinged men from smashing your windows.
Gloria Steinem, who knew Jackie Onassis professionally when the latter was working for publishing houses in New York, penned a profile of her ca. 1980 which noted it was a feature of her mundane life that she’d sit down in a diner, order a cup of coffee, and some rando would show up and snap a photograph of her. My sister was tangentially acquainted with her son ca. 1982, during his years in Providence. She said he biked around the neighborhood and went on outings with friends; he didn’t have goons following him around.
I’d refer you to an article published 20-odd years ago in The Washington Monthly surveying the kind of security detail various federal officials had. There were three consequential Clinton Administration officials who had no security – the FBI director, the HHS Secretary (a fat little spinster hired off the administration of the University of Wisconsin), and one other. The thesis of the article was that the quantum of security around officials wasn’t risk-driven but ego-driven.
I believe they said someone on the inside opened the door for them.
There have been conflicting reports on this detail.
The wilder theories (Grindr date gone bad) seem to be ruled out, but oddities about this remain. I’m 73. I have a security system. I turn it on at night. This would surely be a bare minimum in a neighborhood like Pelosi’s. And there are likely surveillance systems all over the neighborhood. Surely someone caught this guy on video approaching the house, so we could at least verify that.
Oh, and the perp is an illegal alien, a longtime visa overstay.
“The Third Person”. Sounds like the title of a play or movie. I wonder who.
The there is the Police response of “tackling” the perp beating the victim with a hammer. I’d have expected gunfire at this point or a Tazer.
In the circumstances, I’d expect “automatic” or full time security. A declining “alcoholic” wouldn’t be part of the system. And wouldn’t feel comfortable in that system.
Then, again, he seemed to have a preference for friends from the “wild side”. San Francisco seems to have a lot of that. What is professional security going to do?
A successful aging professional living with “Her Majesty” has got to be very difficult. Every aspect of the “Golden Coral” has got to feel hostile.
The entire incident just smells wrong.
Why the underwear? Was it not like 55 degrees or something. Seems a bit brisk.
I have a security system; breaking in makes noise. To have an alarm telling me somebody’s breaking in seems redundant.
I check the locks every evening before bed. It is such a habit that it will likely survive senility.
We live out in the country, more or less. I could shoot my limit of white tails from my porch. So motion sensors would make me crazy.
I’m 73. I have a security system. I turn it on at night.
Again, he may not have gone to bed yet or he may have forgotten. For all we know, he could have been in the downstairs study doing SuDoKu puzzles. An old man in boxer shorts and a T-shirt his nose stuck in a book of puzzles is much less amusing than a Grindr trick gone bad, as you can see from every thread on this topic.
I think that the GOP needs to get out ahead of this before the scandal drags down everybody running for midterm elections.
The Party needs to send out spokesmen, spokewomen, spokesM2Fwomen, and spokesF2Mmen of all shapes, sizes, ages, and so-called races. Also, send out some Muslims, but only conservatively dressed heterosexual males.
Diversity is our strength. Submission is virtue. Apology is the key to happiness.
Admit that the two men that Pelosi called for sex were Trump sympathizers, who became enraged when Nancy wasn’t there. They were expecting a foursome that included the country’s most powerful woman and most successful investor.
Without Nancy, they knew not what to do, so they called Trump, who told them to call 911. Unfortunately, the two paid friends of Paul Pelosi misunderstood Trump’s command. They thought he said “beat Pelosi with a hammer.”
Mistakes happen, especially to men without pants.
Art Deco:
I’m not talking about Harmeet Dillon’s tweets. I’m talking about security guards. As I already said, I can’t find the mention at the moment.
I’m also talking about the complete absence of reporting on the security issue, except for questions from the right
If you don’t find that absence odd, you are naive. It should be addressed and it hasn’t been.
Articles about security 20 years ago are irrelevant. Also, House Speaker is 3rd in line to the presidency, significantly higher up than those officials you mention.
Corn:
(I hope I may use your first name.)
Great comment! LOL-level stuff.
Here’s my theory: Perp was walking down the street in his underpants at 2:00 am and got a craving. Like Jussie Smollet craving a hamburger at 2 am, only it wasn’t a craving for a hamburger, it was a craving for a hammer.
“Hmmm,” he thinks to himself, “I need a hammer, and I need it right now! I’ll just knock on this door and see if I can borrow one here! And that’s my story, officer, and I’m sticking to it.”
Neo: “complete absence of reporting on the security issue +expect+ for. . .” I’m think “expect” is a typo.
82 year-old Paul was zipping around SF in a Porsche this summer, remember? Makes me doubt he is senile if he can downshift and buzz on home. Oh, maybe it has an auto transmission and an easily activated nav. system, making driving while senile easy.
It’s reported that there are all sorts of security cameras inside the residence, and I’d assume the a corresponding level of electronic security was deployed externally.
Then, there are the pictures of guards on duty outside the house, which I’d also think likely given Pelosi’s prominence and the crime situation.
Finally, the is the question of glass debris outside of the pictured door, not inside—indicating that the glass was broken from the inside out, not the outside in.
The cops didn’t do it, because their spokesman said that “someone” let them into the house.
Of course, the initial police “narrative “ may have to be cleaned up a little, so as to fit the desired Democrat agenda, and their political objectives.
Neo, so a Halloween ghost opened the door a few days early? Or maybe the cop who thought someone opened the door was hallucinating.
That’s a joke.
As I said, I expected the story to disappear. I did not expect the cops would make it disappear. OTH San Francisco
Cicero, driving an automatic Porsche while senile may be easy; but driving while intoxicated must be a bit harder.
re security system: Possible system signaled warning, woke Pelosi, who grabbed a bedside hammer and responded
One of the most concerning things about today’s politics is that you can make yourself mentally ill, or at least significantly neurotic if you work at it hard enough. The number of people insisting that political violence is ONLY coming from the Right toward the Left in the wake of this attack is kind of stunning. And I’m not talking about randos on social media but political and media professionals.
The people who called Donald Trump a white nationalist and a traitorous Russian asset are decrying intemperate and dehumanizing rhetoric from conservatives. The people who called national BLM protests where people died
“fiery but mostly peaceful” are proclaiming January 6 an unprecedented event. The people who straight up ignored MONTHS of Antifa attacks on a federal building in Portland are demanding Republicans stop running campaign ads about Nancy Pelosi because some crazy guy attacked her husband.
Mike
t’s reported that there are all sorts of security cameras inside the residence, and I’d assume the a corresponding level of electronic security was deployed externally.
Then, there are the pictures of guards on duty outside the house, which I’d also think likely given Pelosi’s prominence and the crime situation.
Finally, the is the question of glass debris outside of the pictured door, not inside—indicating that the glass was broken from the inside out, not the outside in.
Security cameras help you identify perpetrators. They do not stop perpetrators. There were no guards; she was out of town. There was no glass debris outside the door in those pictures.
Art Deco— Take a look at the story on this subject at Gateway Pundit.
Did nutbar bring the hammer? If not what was he going to smash nan with? A hammer would about be my last choice for PDW.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1548106/download
That’s a link to the criminal complaint. It makes it look like this guy was not Paul Pelosi’s gay lover but he was an absolute nut job that has about as much to do with the Republican Party as Bozo the Clown.
The issue is, why is THIS guy indicative of conservative hate politics but the guy who wanted to kill Brett Kavanaugh was just some rando with no connection at all to Democrats?
Mike
Wow, the only resemblance between the FBI story and the news from the last three days is names and Pelosi got hammered.
P.S.—It could be that that the details in the Gatewaypundit story are all wrong, but I don’t see any percentage for them in fabricating such a story in the age of the Internet.
Art Deco— Take a look at the story on this subject at Gateway Pundit.
The picture was taken by a British media outlet and can be viewed with your own baby blues. People keep saying ‘glass shards on the outside’. There is no glass visible. It looks like paint dust.
So this is the second instant al queda sees how week our security is for our top officials
The police report says the perp brought the hammer, duct tape, and zip ties.
If I lived in SF, which is high-crime, I’d definitely turn on the security system even if I were sitting up late. Why don’t reports even talk about a security system? Odd.
So why didnt they show it
“The picture was taken by a British media outlet and can be viewed with your own baby blues. People keep saying ‘glass shards on the outside’. There is no glass visible. It looks like paint dust.”
It looks like broken tempered glass. If you look at the broken glass still in the window it is clear that it is tempered.
Also note that leftist protestors targeted the Pelosi home in the past. You would expect they had a good security system.
Art Deco:
Once again – I have read that other people have said there were guards there even when she was out of town. Whether there were guards there that night I don’t know, you don’t know, and neither newpapers nor cops have reported one way or the other.
You often make absolutely definitive statements on things about which you are ignorant, as though you have some sort of path to absolute truth. It’s not a convincing mode of argument.
Witness Statements
12. SFPD Officer Colby Wilmes was able to interview a witness, Witness 1, who saw an individual in all black, carrying a large black bag on his back, walking near the Pelosi residence where Witness 1 was parked. Witness 1 was working private security at an address nearby. Witness 1 then heard what sounded like banging on either a door or car and then heardthe sirens within a minute or two
13. Pelosi was interviewed by SFPD Officer Ariane Starks in the ambulance during transport to San Francisco General Hospital. Pelosi stated he had never seen DEPAPE before. Pelosi was asleep when DEPAPE came into Pelosi’s bedroom and stated he wanted to talk to “Nancy.”1 When Pelosi told him that Nancy was not there, DEPAPE stated that he would sit and wait. Pelosi stated that his wife would not be home for several days and then DEPAPE reiterated that he would wait. Pelosi was able to go into the bathroom which is when he was able to call 9-1-1. Pelosi stated that when the officers arrived, that was when DEPAPE struck him with the hammer.
14. In a subsequent interview with law enforcement officers on October 30, 2022,
Paul Pelosi stated that DEPAPE had a hammer with him during the events described above at the Pelosi residence. Further, the hammer did not belong to the Pelosi family.
DEPAPE’S Interview on October 28, 2022:
15. In a Mirandized and recorded interview of DEPAPE by San Francisco Police
Department Officers, DEPAPE provided the following information:
a. DEPAPE stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her. If Nancy were to tell DEPAPE the “truth,” he would let her go, and if she “lied,” he was going to break “her kneecaps.” DEPAPE was certain that Nancy would not have told the “truth.” In the course of the interview, DEPAPE articulated he viewed Nancy as the “leader of the pack” of lies told by the Democratic Party. DEPAPE also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other Members of Congress there were consequences to actions. DEPAPE also explained generally that he wanted to use Nancy to lure another individual to DEPAPE.
b. DEPAPE stated that he broke into the house through a glass door, which was adifficult task that required the use of a hammer. DEPAPE stated that Pelosi was inbed and appeared surprised by DEPAPE. DEPAPE told Pelosi to wake up.
DEPAPE told Pelosi that he was looking for Nancy. Pelosi responded that she
was not present. Pelosi asked how they could resolve the situation, and whatDEPAPE wanted to do. DEPAPE stated he wanted to tie Pelosi up so that
DEPAPE could go to sleep as he was tired from having had to carry a backpack tothe Pelosi residence. Around this time, according to DEPAPE, DEPAPE started
taking out twist ties from his pocket so that he could restrain Pelosi. Pelosi moved towards another part of the house, but DEPAPE stopped him and togetherthey went back into the bedroom.
c. While talking with each other, Pelosi went into a bathroom, where Pelosi grabbeda phone to call 9-1-1. DEPAPE stated he felt like Pelosi’s actions compelled him to respond
d. DEPAPE remembered thinking that there was no way the police were going to
forget about the phone call. DEPAPE explained that he did not leave after
Pelosi’s call to 9-1-1 because, much like the American founding fathers with the
British, he was fighting against tyranny without the option of surrender. DEPAPE
reiterated this sentiment elsewhere in the interview.
e. DEPAPE stated that they went downstairs to the front door. The police arrived
and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it. Pelosi grabbed onto DEPAPE’s hammer, which was in DEPAPE’s hand. At this point in the
interview, DEPAPE repeated that DEPAPE did not plan to surrender and that he
would go “through” Pelosi.
f. DEPAPE stated that he pulled the hammer away from Pelosi and swung the
hammer towards Pelosi. DEPAPE explained that Pelosi’s actions resulted in
Pelosi “taking the punishment instead.”
You often make absolutely definitive statements on things about which you are ignorant,
You’ve confused me with someone else.
It looks like broken tempered glass.
Only if your broken glass turns to cream colored dust.
oldflyer:
The cops are reported to have later said there was no third person, that the earlier report had been in error. They also said the perp was not in his underwear, and that the earlier report that he was had been in error.
Whether this is the case or a coverup is unknown. The police and reporters haven’t covered themselves in glory and accuracy here, and truth is hard to ascertain.
I remember that when president Kennedy was shot by Oswald, a communist, the MSN was claiming it was due to right wing hatred.
By the way, I’ve not found Gateway Pundit to be a consistently reliable source in the past.
Whether there were guards there that night I don’t know, you don’t know, and neither newpapers nor cops have reported one way or the other.
No guards are mentioned in the complaint filed by the FBI’s San Francisco office. None were mentioned by Pelosi or dePape in separate interviews, nor by ‘Witness 1’ who was working as private security nearby.
Ray:
The left STILL says that.
Art Deco:
My point exactly. It should be addressed one way or the other, if not by the police then by the press. Every detail of their security system doesn’t have to be revealed. But some mention is required in order for people to understand the basics of what happened and why the perp was able to get in. Otherwise, people will make up their own reasons, such as – for example – that he was let in.
So, DePape is crazy and Pelosi is careless about turning on his security system. Dumb.
Chases Eagles:
They are now saying the perp brought the hammer.
Apparently he wasn’t attacking Pelosi till the police were actually there, which is also odd. But then again, it’s fairly clear the guy was crazy. The left wants the public to think he was just an insurrectionist and not an all-over-the-place crazy person.
They are covering this with a pillow until it stops moving
F:
Thanks, fixed.
Aside from the Left’s attempt to use this against their political opponents, including trying to silence them the week before the election, I don’t really care. However, the best answer to the Left’s smearing of the Right over this is to openly speculate as to how and why DePape found his way into the Pelosi’s home; was he invited, a nearby bar pickup? How is it that this happened while Speaker Pelosi was out of town? Turnabout is fair play.
https://www.lyrics.com/lyric/34844893/Pete+Seeger/If+I+Had+a+Hammer
“Only if your broken glass turns to cream colored dust.”
It’s the shattered glass, and parts of the wood. The glass is reflecting light and looks white.
It’s the shattered glass, and parts of the wood. The glass is reflecting light and looks white.
You’re mistaking your imagination for what’s there.
It’s clear from the glass remaining in the window frame that the broken glass is laminated glass similar to an automobile windshield. It has a layer of clear plastic in the middle of a glass sandwich for safety purposes.
From Wikipedia
Car Glass
Back glass also called rear window glass, rear windshield, or rear glass, is the piece of glass opposite the windshield in a vehicle. Back glass is made from tempered glass, also known as safety glass, and when broken will shatter into small, round pieces. This is different from a front windshield, which is made of laminated glass, glass which consists of two pieces of glass, with vinyl in between.[2]
A photo of a smashed windshield
See how white and small the pieces are, just below the window frame.
See how white and small the pieces are, just below the window frame.
They do not look like the residue on the bricks. The glass fragments you’re pointing to are on the outside of the vehicle, by the way.
They do not look like the residue on the bricks.
Sure they do. Different scale and effective resolution. The Pelosi window photo isn’t particularly sharp.
Who cares if they are on the outside? I made no claims about inside versus outside.
But was it Low E glass or glass made from recycled frit?
Pelosi, the one who counts, is still in congress. That’s the real crime.
I believe the earlier reports said that an “unknown” person opened the front door. In other words, the police report didn’t identify who that person was. It could have been Mr. Pelosi, as they now claim.
>why there was no security or no effective security?
Why was there lax security on January 6, protesters waved in, National Guard coverage refused?
As long as the right person got nailed…..
Jordan Rivers. What you quote them as saying–and I do not question the accuracy–makes no sense.
If Pelosi opened the door for the police, then he was not in immediate danger; and if he had stayed with the police, or left the house, he would not have been attacked.
The police, or the Stasi (I mean FBI) or whoever is in charge now, needs to hold a clarifying news conference. There are just too many loose ends and potential contradictions.
On the other hand, powerful people do not want clarification. They want freedom to paint their narrative as they see fit.
Jordan Rivers:
Very different situation. The lack of security on Jan 6 may have been because they had embedded agents with the demonstrators and knew what would be happening, and wanted to use it for propaganda. At least, that’s the reasoning of those who think the lack of security was to engender something to the left’s political advantage, without much actual risk.
The situation at the Pelosi house did not involve anything like that. It’s also not clear there was no security, or what security there was, or who let the perp in or whether he broke in, or any number of other salient facts. But whatever the answers, I don’t think anyone is suggesting it was an attack by an agent or a fake attack or anything of that sort
oldflyer– I agree, it makes no sense, or not much sense, although truth can be stranger than fiction. The FBI affadavit says:
10. At 2:31 a.m., San Francisco Police Department (“SFPD”) Officer Colby Wilmes
responded to the Pelosi residence, California and knocked on the front door. When the door was
opened, Pelosi and DEPAPE were both holding a hammer with one hand and DEPAPE had his
other hand holding onto Pelosi’s forearm. Pelosi greeted the officers. The officers asked them
what was going on. DEPAPE responded that everything was good. Officers then asked Pelosi
and DEPAPE to drop the hammer.
11. DEPAPE pulled the hammer from Pelosi’s hand and swung the hammer, striking
Pelosi in the head. Officers immediately went inside and were able to restrain DEPAPE. While
officers were restraining DEPAPE, Pelosi appeared to be unconscious on the ground….
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1548106/download
neo– I don’t know what happened that night, and neither do you. All we know is what the media and officials have reported. You seem to find them more believable than I do. It seems to me like a rather sketchy October Surprise. Cui bono?
Jordan Rivers:
Of course we don’t know what happened. But some comparisons make little to no sense on the face of it. Unless you think the attack on Paul Pelosi was created by the left as some sort of fake attack in order to blame the right, and that’s why security was lax, your comparison makes little to no sense. And it is highly highly unlikely that that was the case.
Is Mr. Pelosi known to be bisexual?
So to restate, the perpetrator in this violent crime against Paul Pelosi is a mentally ill, drug-addicted, illegal alien nudist who takes hallucinogens and lives in a hippie school bus in Berkeley with a BLM banner and a pride flag out front. So take those uncontested facts and let them rattle around in your brain for a moment until a recognizable pattern emerges. What does that sound like to you? If you guessed “This is obviously a textbook case of homegrown right wing extremism,” well then obviously you’ve been watching a lot of cable news today.
Tucker Carlson: Without censorship, the Democratic Party can’t continue to hold power
The police report is given a lot of credibility. So was the Russian “dossier,” pushed by the top intelligence officials of this country which indicated that Donald Trump was a Russian asset. For the entire Trump administration, the suspicion hung around Trump that his election was stolen due to Putin’s secret support.
When Covid broke out “experts” swore that it developed naturally and began in the Wuhan wet market. That masks were vital to controlling the spread and that if you got The Shot you would be protected. If you we unvaccinated, you would die and kill grandma in the process.
It’s come to this: the credibility of government officials, including the police, the security services, and even medical experts, are now legitimately questioned. The police report may or may not be accurate, but they are the product of the San Francisco police and the same FBI that worked overtime to frame Donald Trump.
Who can you believe when lies abound?
3rd in line of national power and extremely wealthy. (we recently learned the Pelosi’s are proud owners of a pair of $12,000 refrigerators.)
Sure…., I believe this nut job was able to get into the house without tripping any security measures.
The Pelosi attack is a perfect example for exposing the evil that Democrats are. Without any evidence at all, they ALL screamed that Republicans were to blame.
The vicious, vile slander is NOT ‘making hay’. It’s not “pouncing” on a GOP misstep. It’s just a nasty, ugly smear by nasty, ugly people.
It’s the first page of the D playbook and one they go to constantly. But this incident is an excellent example of their willingness to embrace ugly smears without the slightest bit of evidence. It’s the essence of the BIG LIE.
Sure they do. Different scale and effective resolution. The Pelosi window photo isn’t particularly sharp.
You’re being willful here.
Who cares if they are on the outside? I made no claims about inside versus outside.
Oh, shut up. You offered a comment in support of every other shnook who insists that the window must have been broken from the inside.
Some remember when the Queen of England suffered a home invasion in Buckingham Palace.
From Wikipedia:
“At around 7:00 a.m. on 9 July 1982, Fagan scaled Buckingham Palace’s 14-foot-high (4.3 m) perimeter wall, which was topped with revolving spikes and barbed wire, and climbed up a drainpipe. An alarm sensor detected his movements, but police thought the alarm was faulty and silenced it. Fagan wandered the corridors for several minutes before reaching the royal apartments. In an anteroom, Fagan broke a glass ashtray, cutting his hand. He entered the bedroom of Queen Elizabeth II at about 7:15 am carrying a fragment of glass.
“The Queen woke when Fagan disturbed a curtain. Initial reports said he had sat on the edge of her bed, however Fagan said in a 2012 interview that the Queen left the room immediately to seek security. The Queen phoned the palace switchboard twice for police, but none arrived, so she used her bedside alarm bell; she also beckoned a housemaid in the corridor, who was quickly dispatched to seek urgent help. The duty footman, Paul Whybrew, who had been walking the Queen’s dogs, arrived, followed by two policemen on palace duty, who removed Fagan. The incident had happened as the armed police officer outside the royal bedroom came off duty before his replacement arrived.”
It happens in the most unlikely circumstances. And remember, this was when the IRA was very active.
Some remember when the Queen of England suffered a home invasion in Buckingham Palace.
I remember the incident because much was made at the time of Prince Philip’s absence from the Queen’s bedchamber.
“I remember the incident because much was made at the time of Prince Philip’s absence from the Queen’s bedchamber.”
Great comment. We are all going through the same thing right now. No one wants to look too hard at all the questions about what happened and, more importantly, what didn’t happen.
Look! A squirrel!
And while we are at it, let’s remember when the IRA blew up the hotel in Brighton where the Conservative Party was holding its party conference in 1984, killing five and crippling many, including Norman Tebbits’s wife. And of course, Lord Mountbatten, the Queen’s kinsman, and some members of his family were assassinated by an IRA bomb in 1979.
That is what real political violence looks like.
3rd in line of national power and extremely wealthy.
I think Paul Pelosi and Richard Blum were wealthy before they had wives in prominent public offices. What’s distressing about the growth in their assets in succeeding years is that both made money from real estate and from investing. The one is very enmeshed in the regulatory state at the local level and the other benefits from inside information. If I’m not mistaken, there have been statistical studies on the growth of the assets members of Congress admit to in their disclosure forms and general improvement in the value of assets in the economy at large that demonstrate that members of Congress are systematically outperforming the market. Note, the modal type among members of Congress is manifest in Steny Hoyer and Richard Durbin – men who were, ‘ere entering f/t politics, employed as common-and-garden small practice lawyers. These aren’t people with much business acumen.
The other thing that’s distressing is that they go on and on. Pelosi ranks 5th of 441 members of the House and Dianne Feinstein (Mrs. Blum) ranks 5th of 100 Senators. One is 82 and the other is 89 and both show signs of losing their marbles. Feinstein was jetting from one coast to another every week while her husband was dying of cancer.
Note, among those with more seniority than Feinstein in the Senate chamber are Bit*h McConnell and Charles Grassley. Grassley, age 89, is running for re-election in Iowa. Among those with more seniority than Pelosi in the House are her deputy, Steny Hoyer, and Hal Rogers, the pork barrel Republican from Kentucky who ran the Appropriations committee when the Tea Party was being sidelined.
Several things appear to be well established:
1. Depape is mentally unstable.
2. Depape disagrees strongly with Nancy Pelosi on unspecified political issues.
It also seems pretty clear to me, that he disagrees with Pelosi FROM THE LEFT, rather than from the right. There are a lot of leftists who are unhappy that the current Democrat government is not getting enough done for them. He seems likely to be further left than even Bernie Sanders and AOC.
I remember the incident because much was made at the time of Prince Philip’s absence from the Queen’s bedchamber.
I don’t recall much was made of it. Just some quizzical remarks. What was talked about was how lax security was at the palace. An alarm went off alerting the staff to the presence of an intruder and the alarm was shut off and forgotten because, supposedly, there were false alarms routinely. Nearly generation later, a tabloid press outlet had no trouble placing an infiltrator on the palace staff, because background checks are cursory.
She was 55 and he was 61 at the time. It’s a reasonable wager one, the other, or both had a problem with snoring.
Pat Nixon was supposedly once asked about why she and her husband had separate bedrooms and she reportedly said he didn’t sleep well and was forever getting up at night, turning on the light and padding around. If she wanted to sleep, it had to be in another room.
Art Deco, I respect your care for evidence and think you’re doing it wrong here. Missing the forest for the trees.
We can see for ourselves that the window itself is bowed out. Why are you so focused on the debris?
Is there a claim that I’m unaware of that there is some weird counterintuitive law of physics where hitting a structure will blow it out in the direction struck from?
Maybe with an explosive, but not a hammer.
I think you’re being unnecessarily contrary. Yes, the counter-explanation could also be wrong, but maybe in a different way, not to disguise an assignation gone wrong but to disguise that they keep their door unlocked as a status symbol and convenience.
I have friends like that, and it would also be something that they wouldn’t want the public to know. So that is an alternative and actually more reasonable explanation than it being hit from the outside.
How did the cops gain entry? Did they walk in an open door? Did they bust down a door? Someone let them in?
Art Deco is carrying the regime’s water (just like he did when asserting that there were absolutely no irregularities in the 2020 election because the Democratic authorities told us so) when he declares that there are no irregularities in what happened here, no chance that the police/DOJ would help cover for the most powerful politician in the world a week before elections, nothing else going on than a crazy violent right wing assassin (who had been a progressive hippie most of his life) breaking into what should be one of the most secure homes in San Francisco.
I mentioned before that I was pretty sure that the glazing in the patio doors was laminated. I don’t think it was security rated, it might be wind-borne debris impact rated. Either way, it takes a hell of a lot of determination to break through with a hammer. It might have only been sound-rated laminated glazing, which is a lot easier to break through. Either way, tempered glass was part of the assembly. If you manage to break through it (laminated assembly with tempered glass), you will have tiny, tiny particles of glass, as well as dust on BOTH the inside and the outside of the door.
There are cameras on the corner of the house, pointing all around. The house is NOT in a gated community; it sits on the corner of a fairly major-ish street through Pacific Heights and a dead-end street. There are several things in the area that bring people to that location: The Mrs. Doubtfire House is less than three blocks away. A shmancy elementary school across the street.
I am surprised that they live in THAT house. They moved from where they used to live some time within the past ten years. Their old house was a bit more private-ish. And much, MUCH more attractive. And I think a little better security possibilities.
They are insanely wealthy. She has made loads of money with her insider knowledge. They could live almost anywhere in her district.
Art Deco is carrying the regime’s water (just like he did when asserting that there were absolutely no irregularities in the 2020 election because the Democratic authorities told us so)
You’ve attributed to me one viewpoint I have never adhered to and one motive I’ve never had.
I’m suggesting to all of you that you reason inductively, play the averages, apply Okham’s razor, and remember that facts often turn out to be factoids. You can look at the 1,000 books on the Kennedy Assassination to see what happens when you go down some other path.
How did the cops gain entry? Did they walk in an open door? Did they bust down a door? Someone let them in?
The FBI brief to the federal court offers a precis of dePape’s statement. He apparently says Pelosi managed to get away from him and let the cops in himself. The same brief makes reference to the statement of ‘Witness 1’, who supposedly estimated the time between when he heard banging and the time he heard police sirens to be ‘a minute or two’. To be sure, the statement attributed to Witness 1 suffers from his memory, from transcription errors by the officer interviewing, and by possible editing courtesy the supervising officer, the FBI agent, and the lawyers making the motion.
The Pelosi’s, with their centi-millions fortune and their political / social visibility, probably receive death threats on a routine basis, and they are probably screened by both US security detail (Nancy) and a private detail to assess threat levels on a running basis. And because of their fortune, they would have ’round-the clock security watching at least their residences. I would venture to say that a new contract may be in the works with a new provider, because they completely dropped the ball.
I know plenty of wealthy people that live without layered security, aside from a good electronic home system, tied in to a security provider. If you have one, you’re smart to test it out in anger once in a while to assess response and the competency of the provider.
I’ve known someone that, for a period of time, lived under a constant and realistic threat of death from people in a position to be successful at it. They had a ’round-the-clock security detail and rather sophisticated (for the time) electronic security detection systems for a few years. Their detail was made up of ex-cops and ex-SS agents, presidential detail. Nobody is better trained at assessing the levels of risk and understanding the nature of the threat on a constant basis.
One of the aspects of living under that scenario is that it’s exhausting; physically, mentally, spiritually. If the team is competent, they will only escalate coverage when it’s necessary. Privacy comes in small, treasured segments that are cheapened by the lurking threat, which is part of the point. It’s a relief when one can finally dismiss the arrangement, even if it’s only for the evening.
I think there were crumbled glass particles on the outside patio, consistent with breaking in from the outside. The glass is tempered, designed to crumble not shatter, so that it doesn’t cause injury. There appears to be a laminate layer as a safety feature, because the drone picture we’ve all seen clearly shows that most of the glass panes are still in the door, shattered but together, with a hole in the middle. If I were attacking security glass from the outside and using a hammer, then I would have to make a hole first, and this wasn’t easy for the perp, according to his own statement (which is why it’s likely tempered security glass). Then it makes sense to insert the hammer in the hole, turn it sideways, and pull it towards yourself – this exerts a stronger and more controlled force for removing the stubborn security glass without risking injury by pressing on it. This stuff is pretty tough – it’s not easy to get through it.
We can see for ourselves that the window itself is bowed out.
No you cannot.
Is there a claim that I’m unaware of that there is some weird counterintuitive law of physics where hitting a structure will blow it out in the direction struck from?
The surviving laminate is not bowed out. I don’t know the physics of smashing glass. I do know that gunshot wounds produce front spatter and back spatter. The front spatter is invariably of higher volume than the back spatter. The actual physicist who posts here can perhaps explain.
The Uvalde “we know” effect returns. Because.
He will never stand trial. He will be deemed insane. Just like John Hinckley.
“Art Deco on October 31, 2022 at 8:42 pm said:
You’re mistaking your imagination for what’s there.”
You can’t afford to be wrong, can you? Yet, here you are. Wrong.
You can’t afford to be wrong, can you? Yet, here you are. Wrong.
I can certainly afford to be wrong and am corrected on these boards and others. I also have eyes in my head.
“The surviving laminate is not bowed out. I don’t know the physics of smashing glass. I do know that gunshot wounds produce front spatter and back spatter. The front spatter is invariably of higher volume than the back spatter. The actual physicist who posts here can perhaps explain.”
It’s broken glass on the ground, along with part of the wooden cross member. It the window was broken from outside, the most likely reason is that the intruder used the claw to pull part of the window out.
Either the window was broken from the inside, or if a claw hammer was used he used it to pull on the glass to enlarge the hole.
“I can certainly afford to be wrong and am corrected on these boards and others. I also have eyes in my head.”
Yes, eyes in your head. Looking at low resolution pictures.
Various pictures of the same scene look different, due to resolution, angle, light conditions, or whatever. The debris doesn’t look like broken glass in all the pictures, but that’s what it is, along with other material from the window.
The glass issue is not going to be settled by zooming in on pictures posted to the Web, I know that much. There’s big chunks of the laminated window hanging outside but they could have flopped into that position–similar to how curtains sometimes hang out of a window even though you opened from the inside.
He will never stand trial. He will be deemed insane. Just like John Hinckley.
John Hinckley was deemed insane by a trial jury. If I’m not mistaken, the Hinckley verdict induced state legislatures to specify that the burden of proof if you want to use an insanity defense is on the defense, and that’s the law in New York. New York also has a procedural jigaroo which requires counsel to give advance notice of an insanity defense. I’ve heard from local lawyers where I grew up that invoking an insanity defense in a New York state court is itself insane. (In New York, about 2% of the criminal cases disposed of in superior court are so through a petty jury trial).
My favorite Hinckley-related story is of the prankster who in 1983 generated replicas or acquired samples of White House stationary. He then produced a typewritten letter to John Hinckley purportedly from Ronald Reagan. It was an amiable letter with a more-than-satisfactory ear for Reagan’s mode of expression. “Neither Nancy nor I hold any ill will…”. Signed, ‘Ronald Reagan’. with a passable forgery. Then the post script. “P.S. Did you know that Walter Mondale is screwing Jodie Foster?”
It’s broken glass on the ground, along with part of the wooden cross member.
Broken glass which looks like cream colored paint dust, a ‘cross member’ that looks like a stick from one of the many trees on the property, and surviving cross members on the french windows which look like they’re made with aluminum.
And because of their fortune, they would have ’round-the clock security watching at least their residences. I would venture to say that a new contract may be in the works with a new provider, because they completely dropped the ball.
If you say so. Supposed witness statements from Pelosi himself, dePape, and ‘Witness 1’ mention no security guards on the property on the night in question. Suggest perhaps that Nancy is protected by 24 hour security paid for by the U.S. Treasury, and that their other properties have a caretaker who is an intermittent presence. Presumably their vineyard is cared for by a lessee or by hired help on salary.
Something I’ve been noodling for a while: bloggers like Neo are heavily dependent on the media for reporting facts.
Up until now media bias has really been about selective narration of facts, and bloggers like Neo can tease these out and show what’s wrong with that narrative and what fits better.
However, if the media gets into just making things up, bloggers are not going to be able to help much. Bloggers are rarely in a position to get their own facts.
It’s getting so I quickly scroll past Art Deco’s comments.
Facts still are stubborn things, but “we knows” are even more so; easily and quickly formed, almost “never” abandoned.
Because.
“Frederick on November 1, 2022 at 12:45 pm said:
Something I’ve been noodling for a while: bloggers like Neo are heavily dependent on the media for reporting facts.”
There are also other sources for facts. For example, in the Kyle Rittenhouse case, almost immediately after the shooting, there was youtube video uploads of the event. It was clear what happened (except the first shooting wasn’t clear but you had the lead up to it showing Rosenbaum chasing and closing on Kyle–but we also had access to an excellent eyewitness account of the first shooting).
So factual evidence was available and well known in some circles.
“If you say so.” Really? It wasn’t clear that I was voicing an opinion, and supporting its basis with some of my experiences? You’re not very perceptive then, if you think I would defend an opinion as an absolute fact because you mistook it that way.
In my opinion, based on my experience with people in a similar situation, they would have a layer of active security surveillance on the perimeter of their walled compound and the exterior of their home, while trying to retain their shreds of privacy indoors. And in fact, previous stories regarding the Pelosi’s show precisely this kind of equipment, multiple security cameras at multiple locations around the perimeter wall, at this residence. They wouldn’t want to have security personnel on site unless the threat levels called for it – but it’s not unlikely that they would have somebody in a security office, watching the outside camera feeds full-time, while they’re in residence. Not with that kind of wealth.
I also think it’s unlikely that an old couple with this kind of wealth and social visibility, would rely on a simple keypad system as a defensive measure for their personal safety, or even be careless enough to leave it turned off, or be even more careless and have no fast-dispatch security backup response in place. And I also said that I think the security company dropped the ball badly, if it took a 911 call from Pelosi himself to bring the police. We probably won’t ever know. People do stupid things all the time.
“I’m suggesting to all of you that you reason inductively, play the averages…..” said somebody.
This incident is so peculiar, and raises so many questions– none of which authorities have answered so far.
What were the injuries DePape suffered and when did he suffer them? Was he injured being subdued by police? My suspicious nature makes me think he is more isolated being in a hospital than in a jail, regardless of how severe his injuries are.
Why didn’t Pelosi stay in the bathroom, once he had made the call to police? The doors in a home of his quality would most likely be solid core and a typical claw hammer would have a tough time breaking through. More likely the jamb would be broken to force entry. Assuming the bathroom had an outside window, Pelosi could have called for help when the police arrived through the window.
If Pelosi was in bed, where was his bedroom in relation to the window, and why didn’t he hear DePape pounding on the window to gain access to the house?
Looking at the video of the door, it looks like laminated security glass. According to testing standards, the first level of security glass is rated to withstand blows using the claw side of standard 32 oz construction hammer for five minutes. That’s in keeping with DePape’s statement that it took some time to break in. IF it were laminated, that would explain why there was glass debris on the outside of the door.
When you look at the facts we have at this time, the bizarre story of a gay encounter gone wrong fits the story as well as the official narrative. Is there any evidence DePape is gay?
What is consistent is the fact that DePape is crazy. He wanted to take a nap because he was tired carrying the backpack?
“If you say so. Supposed witness statements from Pelosi himself, dePape, and ‘Witness 1’ mention no security guards on the property on the night in question. Suggest perhaps that Nancy is protected by 24 hour security paid for by the U.S. Treasury, and that their other properties have a caretaker who is an intermittent presence. Presumably their vineyard is cared for by a lessee or by hired help on salary.”
Seems like an issue for her security team if every time she comes home she’s entering what is basically an unsecured area. You would expect they would want to have sufficient continued security so as to minimize this.
“Is there any evidence DePape is gay?”
His daughter indicated he sexually molested her and her brothers.
Seems like an issue for her security team if every time she comes home she’s entering what is basically an unsecured area. You would expect they would want to have sufficient continued security so as to minimize this.
It’s a private home. A few thousand square feet.
n my opinion, based on my experience with people in a similar situation, they would have a layer of active security surveillance on the perimeter of their walled compound and the exterior of their home, while trying to retain their shreds of privacy indoors.
Well, they didn’t. Or somehow Witness 1, dePape, and Pelosi thought it not worth mentioning. (Or it’s all been edited out?).
Thirty odd years ago, I visited the country residence of Colby Chandler, then the President of Eastman Kodak. He didn’t have any security guards.
When you look at the facts we have at this time, the bizarre story of a gay encounter gone wrong fits the story as well as the official narrative.
You’ve lost the distinction between reason and imagination.
Art Deco:
What a poor analogy. The president of Eastman Kodak 30 years ago is not the least bit equivalent to the Speaker of the House, having faced death threats and mega-rich as well as 3rd in line to the presidency, today.
For that matter, in 1963 JFK rode in an open motorcade. And in 1981 Reagan was out in the open walking into a building, and people were allowed to get relatively near to him – that’s how he was shot. None of those things would be happening today.
Art Deco:
You’ve lost quite a few distinctions yourself, such as the one I pointed out in my comment above this one.
But I’ll also add that, as I’ve said many times before, the security system issue should be addressed in at least some of the articles and it hasn’t been. It’s a big factor in the story, whether it existed or didn’t exist, or was turned on or off, or was good or bad or adequate or inadequate. As it is, it makes it sound like very high-up public officials and their families, such as the Pelosis, are just sitting ducks with no security at all.
Neo at 4:04 pm is right on target. With respect to the security system issue, I’ll repeat what I said above with one addition:
No one [in authority] wants to look too hard at all the questions about what happened and, more importantly, what didn’t happen.
Look! A squirrel!
“No you cannot.”
Holy cow. There are photos, Art Deco. I know that you know this, because you’re talking about minute details of the debris on the ground in the photos, the same photos that plainly show the window itself bowed out.
I can accept an argument that maybe the perp used the claw of the hammer to pull it out after bashing through, but I am infuriated by your gaslighting me when I can literally go online and double- and triple-check.
@ Art Deco > “15. In a Mirandized and recorded interview of DEPAPE by San Francisco Police Department Officers, DEPAPE provided the following information:”
So, I’m guessing that DePape did NOT have an attorney present when he made his confession.
Waiting to see the trial play out – if he doesn’t commit suicide or plead guilty.
@ Aggie > “Then it makes sense to insert the hammer in the hole, turn it sideways, and pull it towards yourself – this exerts a stronger and more controlled force for removing the stubborn security glass without risking injury by pressing on it.”
That’s an interesting point.
Is it something that a drug-addled, mentally-ill man would know to do, while he’s out at 2 am with a hammer, in his undies (and no, I do NOT believe the walk-back on THAT one).
PS My first comment was influenced by this comment at Althouse’s post:
Yancey asks some good questions: how DID DePape get there?
(I assume no one believes the walk-back that “oh, yeah, he really did have pants on, we got that wrong”).
Kind of off this particular topic, but my favorite comment from Althouse’s post:
the same photos that plainly show the window itself bowed out.
They do not show that except in your imagination.
What a poor analogy. The president of Eastman Kodak 30 years ago is not the least bit equivalent to the Speaker of the House, having faced death threats and mega-rich as well as 3rd in line to the presidency, today.
The mayor, the county executive, the President of Eastman Kodak. The three most prominent persons in a county with 700,000 people living in it. And none of them had security details.
they don’t really explain those points, do they, now san francisco, has turned into a real life version of that haskell wexler wild in the streets where everyone was on acid, and 16 year olds could vote, where the morlocks hunt the eloi, recall that before terrorist spawn boudin was da, gascon sadly one of my paisans, was chief procurator, and before that, well didn’t kamala rule the roost,
the celebration about musk, maybe shortlived in ring wraith yoel roth, who has ever zombie notion stamped on his empty skull,